Seadance & Tukki Bird

[sailaway78]

For all who have been following the posts of Seadance, and making comments. Some good and some not so good. Seadance and her hubby have finalized the deal on the boat. I have volunteered, and it has been accepted, to help crew to bring the boat from Pennsacola over to Biloxi this Sat. He wants to run offshore, which couldn't please me more. Weather forecast doesn't get much better. East to south winds, 10 to 15 and diminishing to 10 Sat. night. Seas 2 to 3 and easing to 1 to 2 Sat. night. Should take us a little under 24 hours to make the run across. To those naysayers out there. Some seem to think that MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY .We need not to forget that a boat means something different to every individual. Some want to just get on it and sail. No work, no maint. problems, just get on and go.Some enjoy doing the work, knowing their boat intimately, and derive great satisfaction from doing so. Ross comes to mind. From his posts, he stripped his boat to a bare hull, and rebuilt every square inch of it. It is his time, his money and his labor. He is not right, and he is not wrong. What he did is right for him, and thats what matters most. There is a tremendous amount of knowledge on this board. Valuable knowledge. There are also a few on here, who have read all the books, can quote you chapter and verse, but have never done it, and are probably not capable of doing it. So how bout that you give up your honest opinions, and not try to impress us with your book knowledge, or your vocabulary, and realize that there is usually more than one way to do almost anything.

 

[sailaway78]

For all who have been following the posts of Seadance, and making comments. Some good and some not so good. Seadance and her hubby have finalized the deal on the boat. I have volunteered, and it has been accepted, to help crew to bring the boat from Pennsacola over to Biloxi this Sat. He wants to run offshore, which couldn't please me more. Weather forecast doesn't get much better. East to south winds, 10 to 15 and diminishing to 10 Sat. night. Seas 2 to 3 and easing to 1 to 2 Sat. night. Should take us a little under 24 hours to make the run across. To those naysayers out there. Some seem to think that MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY .We need not to forget that a boat means something different to every individual. Some want to just get on it and sail. No work, no maint. problems, just get on and go.Some enjoy doing the work, knowing their boat intimately, and derive great satisfaction from doing so. Ross comes to mind. From his posts, he stripped his boat to a bare hull, and rebuilt every square inch of it. It is his time, his money and his labor. He is not right, and he is not wrong. What he did is right for him, and thats what matters most. There is a tremendous amount of knowledge on this board. Valuable knowledge. There are also a few on here, who have read all the books, can quote you chapter and verse, but have never done it, and are probably not capable of doing it. So how bout that you give up your honest opinions, and not try to impress us with your book knowledge, or your vocabulary, and realize that there is usually more than one way to do almost anything.

 

[Stu Jackson]

Have a GREAT trip

Fair winds and all that...

 

[Stu Jackson]

Have a GREAT trip

Fair winds and all that...

 

[Tom s/v GAIA]

Give them our best!

wind at your back.Toms/v GAIA

 

[Tom s/v GAIA]

Give them our best!

wind at your back.Toms/v GAIA

 

[Bill Roosa]

Hay!!! I resemble that remark!!!

A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with a theory.

 

[Bill Roosa]

Hay!!! I resemble that remark!!!

A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with a theory.

 

[CharlieCobra]

No doubt!

Fair winds and good Rum when ya get there.

 

[CharlieCobra]

No doubt!

Fair winds and good Rum when ya get there.

 

[Doug13108]

Congrats

to Seadance/Tukki Bird and especially Nice N Easy. You make me proud to be a small contributor to this board. If they skipped the survey, I don't agree with the decision. But, I agree with your take on how decisions can be right-for-you, especially if the prop/engine problem was resolved.Of course, you have now become the official family spokesperson, so we expect a full report. In fact, I'm pretty sure we expect daily reports - no good deed goes unpunished.Fair Winds

 

[Doug13108]

Congrats

to Seadance/Tukki Bird and especially Nice N Easy. You make me proud to be a small contributor to this board. If they skipped the survey, I don't agree with the decision. But, I agree with your take on how decisions can be right-for-you, especially if the prop/engine problem was resolved.Of course, you have now become the official family spokesperson, so we expect a full report. In fact, I'm pretty sure we expect daily reports - no good deed goes unpunished.Fair Winds

 

[Ross]

Have a great weekend. Enjoy the ride

take enough spares to be able to jury rig if you must. Donna Lange sailed into Bristol, sans engine, sans forestay, With only seven years of sailing experience. Those that say it can't be done are most often over run by people doing it.

 

[Ross]

Have a great weekend. Enjoy the ride

take enough spares to be able to jury rig if you must. Donna Lange sailed into Bristol, sans engine, sans forestay, With only seven years of sailing experience. Those that say it can't be done are most often over run by people doing it.

 

[seadaddler]

Congrats

Congrats and have a safe trip home,nothingis ever a sure thing.Nick

 

[seadaddler]

Congrats

Congrats and have a safe trip home,nothingis ever a sure thing.Nick

 

[sailingseadragon]

Congrats to Sea Dance & remember

Even a bad day on the water with YOUR boat beats a good day in the office.Good luck & enjoy!Garner

 

[gpd955]

As previously stated

We want pictures!Fair winds and enjoy the trip. I'll be thinking about you guys while I am WORKING this weekend!!

 

[ellis]

survey

A survey is no guarantee that the boat is going to be o.k. My friend bought an older Alden designed wooden sloop in San Francisco. He hired a reputable marine surveyor and passed the survey with flying colors. He found two friends as crew to bring the boat down to Los Angeles. Luckily they were all experienced sailors. On the second night out the keel bolts failed and the front of the keel dropped down about two feet. They were able to stuff the hole it left with sails and whatever and go overboard and run lines around the keel and over the deck to keep the keel from dropping off completely. They sent out a mayday and the coast guard was able to tow the boat in to Monterey. Upon further inspection it was found that all the keel bolts were corroded to about the thickness of a pencil. The surveyor had merely tapped a couple of them with a hammer and assumed they were fine. He should have loosened them with a wrench. If he had done so, the problem would have been obvious. The surveyor claimed no responsibility and the boat was put on the hard at San Pedro boat works. Thanks to a few good friends we were able to repair the extensive damage to his boat and he still sails it today.My point is that there are as many incompetent people doing the surveys as there are incompetent sailors sailing boats. A survey does not guarantee that everything will be alright. He would have been better off to go over every inch of the boat with one of his friends who knew what he was doing than to use a surveyor.

 

[CalebD]

Ellis, while you make some good points

I think that it is somewhat irresponsible to encourage a new boat owner from getting a survey based on one bad experience with a marine survey. Besides, even if your friend had inspected every inch of hardware, all the planking fasteners, framing etc, etc and found the keel boats to be in bad shape he would have STILL had to have the boat surveyed for insurance purposes (unless you think that insurance is optional too?). I too think that wooden boats are beautiful but I would never own one in this day and age of high tech composites. A surveyor does not have the luxury of being able to take apart every critical piece of hardware and inspect it and put it back in place as it could take months to do and cost a lot more than the avg. $13/ft they usually charge. The keel bolts certainly are a critical piece of hardware and should have been checked by someone, perhaps the boat's owner or the surveyor.Is the current system flawed? Perhaps, but this is the system that is in place and we must recognise what our own responsibilities are. Your friend was lucky that they were able to save themselves and the boat but ultimately it was his boat - not the surveyor's. If someone had died the surveyor could have been brought into court but ultimately it is the boat owners responsibility for his/her own vessel. Trying to shunt the responsibility of verifying his hulls seaworthyness off on a surveyor would have been typical litiginous behaviour. A surveyor's job is to assess the condition and valuation of the vessel to the insurance company not to take it apart inch by inch. Advice is cheap but a survey costs money.