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UPSGUY

UPSGUY

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Jan 9, 2011
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Catalina 22 Bayville NY
We have had some heavy rains of late. And the boat is still on it's trailer in the yard. I came out the other day to find the cockpit filled to the companionway with water. After unclogging the floor drains yet again I decided the scuppers in the rear where necessary for safety reasons.
My question is should I pay the $150 for the Catalina direct kit? Has anyone done the instal and found the extra expense justified? I'm in the middle of buying a home and watching every dime so I am hesitant. But judging by the amount of water in the cockpit I don't feel comfortable leaving the boat on the mooring without scuppers.
Your input would be appreciated.
 
Bilbo

Bilbo

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
My 2nd Generation only has the rear scuppers.
They changed the angle of the deck in the cockpit so that it drains to the rear and removed the floor/through-hull setup. I believe that CD says that the rear scupper kit drains the water like 6 times faster. If you do add them, and your boat is on the trailer, you would want to raise the bow a bit for better drainage.
 
UPSGUY

UPSGUY

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Jan 9, 2011
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Catalina 22 Bayville NY
I'm always planning for worst case. Seeing the cockpit filled with water up to the companionway and realizing how much weight that is in a small boat makes me think this is a imperative.
 
shipwreck66

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Apr 5, 2010
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Catalina 27- 1984 Grapevine
make sure you have a bilge pump, 12v, with a float switch set up. Shurflo is the one currently in my bilge. You could leave one set up in your cabin floor, and probably should anyways, and sleep with a little more piece of mind. but personally, if I ever have it to do over again I will install the rear scuppers.
 
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DavoArts

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Mar 31, 2010
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Catalina 22 Lake Hefner, OKC, OK
I remember seeing a webpage showing how you can make scuppers using pvc couplers. The couplers ended up matching the diameter of the hole saw that was used pretty well and they just epoxied the couplers in and cut off the excess to match the curve of the hull/liner and filed them down. It wasn't as "pretty" as the catalina direct kit but then again, spending less than $10 sure feels better than spending $150 to achieve the same result.

EDIT: http://www.leachs.com/Scuppers.htm found the link
 
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CaptDon01

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Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
Ken,

I just purchased the Moeller flange tool also, (and a couple feet of brass tubing). How much of the tube protrudes to make the flange? I want to install a longer tube from my fuel locker thru the transom to run the outboard fuel line.

PVC would be cheaper, but I wonder how long it would last due to the UV attacking? (guess you could replace it fairly often as cheap as PVC pipe is).

Don
 
Ken

Ken

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Jun 1, 2004
1,182
Catalina 22 P. P. Y. C.
If one end is flared push the tube through then mark the shortest place at 1/4" cut it square.

It flares really easy so go easy when tightening, I did put a small bead of 3M 4200 all the way around the flange.

Epoxy doesn't stick so well to PVC either.... One of the guys I sail with used the PVC he finally coated them with 4200. I need to ask him how it's working, I'll be sailing for 10 days or so with him in June... I'lll try to remember to see how there holding up, he's had them installed about two years now.
 
OldCat

OldCat

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Jul 26, 2005
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Catalina , Nacra 5.8, Laser, Hobie Hawk Wonmop, CO
Jury rigging holes in the hull does not sound like a good idea to me either. It is bound to work for a while - but how do you determine how long? How do you prove the reliability of PVC? Blame my past life as a statistical experimenter - but a few trials that have not failed (yet) doesn't give me that warm fuzzy Six Sigma feeling. Freeze-thaw cycles, hull flex...

The CD solution appears to be a retrofit of parts on newer C22s - designed by a Naval Archie with knowledge of "best practices". Less than that would leave me worried.

OC
 
UPSGUY

UPSGUY

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Jan 9, 2011
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Catalina 22 Bayville NY
Agreed OC. Just can't get myself to bite for the extra expense of going the CD route. When I called today with shipping it's over $200. That's more than 25% of what I paid for the boat.
Peace of mind is invaluable however so I will have to come up with something soon.
 
OldCat

OldCat

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Jul 26, 2005
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Ken said:
I installed 1 1/4" tubes on my old style boat, bought the tool for 35.00 the tubes were 3.50 each.... We filled the cockit two or three times after they were installed water drained very quickly...
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You really do nice work.

OC
 
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CaptDon01

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Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
I ordered the Moeller flange tool,and 2' of 1 1/4 tubing for less than $57.(including shipping), from my local West Marine store here in San Diego. So I'll have the tool, and plenty of brass tubing at a fraction of the CD price. I'll more than make up my cost by installing some scupper up grades to local C-22 owners. We,(me, and the Capri-22 owners at the club), use the transom scuppers to route our rear lines thru for our lift harnesses for the boats,(ballances the boats being slightly stern heavy). After years of lifting, the brass flange gets a little worn. They will relish the idea of installing nice new ones :)

I'll take some photos of my project to route the fuel line thru the brass tubing from my fuel locker to the little Honda.

Ken, ditto OC, nice work, and thanks for the information.

Don
 
UPSGUY

UPSGUY

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Jan 9, 2011
133
Catalina 22 Bayville NY
I think I'm going to have to go Ken's route. I'll draft a steadier hand for the cutting work.
All I could see was a big dose of water getting into the cockpit and things getting worse quickly from there.
I suppose it fair to note that I've had this happen to me when I was younger on a blue jay. The end result we turtled and we all went for a swim.
I suppose it would be a lot harder for that to happen on a much larger boat but accidents do happen
 
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rorider

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Apr 25, 2011
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Catalina 22 Portland
Maybe a dumb question, but here goes anyway. When you add the scuppers, either custom or from CD, do you close off the other original drains? Or do the scuppers just add to the drainage? I wouldn't mind getting rid of the drains, but ...
 
UPSGUY

UPSGUY

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Jan 9, 2011
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Catalina 22 Bayville NY
rorider said:
Maybe a dumb question, but here goes anyway. When you add the scuppers, either custom or from CD, do you close off the other original drains? Or do the scuppers just add to the drainage? I wouldn't mind getting rid of the drains, but ...
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I wouldn't call that a dumb question. Wish I had thought about it. I wouldn't mind closing off the hole in the hull and sealing the cockpit leaf traps. Hopefully someone more experienced can explain the pros and cons.
 
Ken

Ken

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Jun 1, 2004
1,182
Catalina 22 P. P. Y. C.
Never a dumb question, Only problem with sealing off the old scuppers on the old style boat the cockpit sole tilts forward so there would always be some water that wouldn't drain. (both the "new style" and the "MK" have soles that are tilted to the transom)

Many of the racers have started running the forward drains back and out the transom removing the nipple.
 
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