I am seriously considering purchasing a 95, 336. The bottom paint is in bad looking shape. The best way I could describe it is that It looks like a dried caked desert floor. I was told by a marine yard that, most likely, the bottom was never properly cleaned and that some of the mold release wax was left on the hull. This was a poor surface for the paint, and therefore the problem. Paint incompatibility was another explanation. It looks like there is only one coat of paint (blue) over the original (blue) hull. Either way it looks like I am in for a repair job if I buy the boat. The marina has no problem with me doing the job. Do I hire some one to sand it, or sandblast it? The marina told me it was a two man one maybe one and one half day job. ($1000) ouch. If I do it myself what tools will I need? Power hand sander? How much do I take off? all the paint or just till its smooth? Any recommendations on bottom paint? Do I know what I am getting into? Any help appreciated.
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Pete Clerkin
sand and more sand
a five year old boat should have more than one coat of paint on it it sounds like you will need to sand it down. do not sand off the gel coat only the paint!it is a dirty job but one that you could do yourself with a powersander and some time save the 1000 dollar yard charge! paint it with a good {i like interlux ablative paint ) paint and at least two coats for good protection. last of all since you have not purchased the boat yet have your boat inspected by a good marine surveyor and get his first hand ideas after he has seen the bottom. it does't sound like a big issue but with out seeing it can't be sure. great boat but i have a slanted view because i have in one also good luck!
a five year old boat should have more than one coat of paint on it it sounds like you will need to sand it down. do not sand off the gel coat only the paint!it is a dirty job but one that you could do yourself with a powersander and some time save the 1000 dollar yard charge! paint it with a good {i like interlux ablative paint ) paint and at least two coats for good protection. last of all since you have not purchased the boat yet have your boat inspected by a good marine surveyor and get his first hand ideas after he has seen the bottom. it does't sound like a big issue but with out seeing it can't be sure. great boat but i have a slanted view because i have in one also good luck!
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Stephen Ostrander
two things
If the paint is dry and crackled like a desert, it may be a paint incompatablity issue. With few exceptions, you can't paint one type/brand over another without sanding the old paint off. And I'm pretty sure that the original bottom color is white gel coat, so the blue you are seeing may be a barrier coat. You can save a lot of money by sanding yourself but it is a dirty job and wear a respirator so you don't breath all that anti-fouling paint dust.
If the paint is dry and crackled like a desert, it may be a paint incompatablity issue. With few exceptions, you can't paint one type/brand over another without sanding the old paint off. And I'm pretty sure that the original bottom color is white gel coat, so the blue you are seeing may be a barrier coat. You can save a lot of money by sanding yourself but it is a dirty job and wear a respirator so you don't breath all that anti-fouling paint dust.
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Mark Whitson
Peel-Away
We bought our '83 H30 4 years ago and when they pulled the boat for the winter the folks at the marina said we won the award for the worst bottom paint. A bunch of sploches, areas where there was no paint, other areas where 5-7 coats were still attached. Not wanting to spend 2-3 weekends sanding down the bottom and all the hazardous dust etc that that created, we investigated Peel-Away. Bought a 5 gallon tub (comes with the "paper" you place on the hull after putting on the product, but not enough. We found that freezer wrap paper works just as well, slick side towards the hull) We rolled Peel-Away on but I would suggest a wide brush so you can get a thicker coat on the hull. Put the paper on the hull and wait 24 hours to peel everything off. It took my wife and me 4 hours to "paint" and paper the hull w/ peel-away. The directions say you can peel it off in 12 hours but 24 is much better. Peel-Away should really be called scrap away. As you peel the paper have a 2-4" putty knife with you and you can scrape most if not all the paint off. Wear shoes you don't care for as they will become caked with the Peel away droppings. As you are peeling take a break every 4-6 minutes and go back over the areas you have just peeled with a hose and wash the area with a green nylon scrubbie. You should be looking at a bright clean white hull. You DON'T WANT THAT STUFF TO DRY ON THE HULL. Its a bear to get off. After all done wash the hull again to get the areas you might of missed. It took us about 9 hours to take the stuff off, and we had a clean bright bottom. We did it in one weekend started Sat morn and was done Sun afternoon feeling quite proud of ourselves. Peel Away might seem expensive at $135+ for a 5 gal pail but it was well worth it!! By the way we still had some peel away left so used it to take layers of varnish off of teak. That worked good too. Now that you have a clean bottom, clean it with the dewaxing stuff, lightly sand it (120-200 grit) to give it a little "tooth", and put a barrier coat on the bottom. Whose ever product you use, follow their directions explicitly. Now bottom paint, that is a personal choice but we use an ablative since there is "no" build up. Our first coat we call our signal coat (red). Our second coat is blue. When ever the red starts showing we know it is time to paint the bottom again. Another nice thing about an ablative is my prep for a new coat of paint is a water hose and a green scrubbie. I wash and scrub the bottom and in essence I have just created a new clean surface ready for painting once it drys. I know this was long but I hope it helps. Mark Whitson S/V Tequila
We bought our '83 H30 4 years ago and when they pulled the boat for the winter the folks at the marina said we won the award for the worst bottom paint. A bunch of sploches, areas where there was no paint, other areas where 5-7 coats were still attached. Not wanting to spend 2-3 weekends sanding down the bottom and all the hazardous dust etc that that created, we investigated Peel-Away. Bought a 5 gallon tub (comes with the "paper" you place on the hull after putting on the product, but not enough. We found that freezer wrap paper works just as well, slick side towards the hull) We rolled Peel-Away on but I would suggest a wide brush so you can get a thicker coat on the hull. Put the paper on the hull and wait 24 hours to peel everything off. It took my wife and me 4 hours to "paint" and paper the hull w/ peel-away. The directions say you can peel it off in 12 hours but 24 is much better. Peel-Away should really be called scrap away. As you peel the paper have a 2-4" putty knife with you and you can scrape most if not all the paint off. Wear shoes you don't care for as they will become caked with the Peel away droppings. As you are peeling take a break every 4-6 minutes and go back over the areas you have just peeled with a hose and wash the area with a green nylon scrubbie. You should be looking at a bright clean white hull. You DON'T WANT THAT STUFF TO DRY ON THE HULL. Its a bear to get off. After all done wash the hull again to get the areas you might of missed. It took us about 9 hours to take the stuff off, and we had a clean bright bottom. We did it in one weekend started Sat morn and was done Sun afternoon feeling quite proud of ourselves. Peel Away might seem expensive at $135+ for a 5 gal pail but it was well worth it!! By the way we still had some peel away left so used it to take layers of varnish off of teak. That worked good too. Now that you have a clean bottom, clean it with the dewaxing stuff, lightly sand it (120-200 grit) to give it a little "tooth", and put a barrier coat on the bottom. Whose ever product you use, follow their directions explicitly. Now bottom paint, that is a personal choice but we use an ablative since there is "no" build up. Our first coat we call our signal coat (red). Our second coat is blue. When ever the red starts showing we know it is time to paint the bottom again. Another nice thing about an ablative is my prep for a new coat of paint is a water hose and a green scrubbie. I wash and scrub the bottom and in essence I have just created a new clean surface ready for painting once it drys. I know this was long but I hope it helps. Mark Whitson S/V Tequila
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Mark
Concur w/ Steves comment
But most ot the barrier coats I've seen are grey in color (interlux 2000) I think Petits is actually black but I could be wrong.
But most ot the barrier coats I've seen are grey in color (interlux 2000) I think Petits is actually black but I could be wrong.
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Tim
Peel Away - Mixed Feelings
I did my Hunter 30 last fall/spring. Some comments on Peel Away: -the Home Depot Peel Away is the same stuff as the Marine at about $65/5 gal. -it is VERY caustic and although not poisonous wear a full body suit, gloves, hat, goggles. I burned myself in several places. -the stuff will soften some types of gel coat if left on too long or used too often. A guy on a boat neighboring mine used the marine type on his deck and had this happen. -it makes a real mess under the boat, even with a drop cloth -I had mixed results after the boat got rained on. Some was tripped bare, some was not. But I had 20 years of paint on the hull. Temp/humidty/sunlight seems to effect its work.
I did my Hunter 30 last fall/spring. Some comments on Peel Away: -the Home Depot Peel Away is the same stuff as the Marine at about $65/5 gal. -it is VERY caustic and although not poisonous wear a full body suit, gloves, hat, goggles. I burned myself in several places. -the stuff will soften some types of gel coat if left on too long or used too often. A guy on a boat neighboring mine used the marine type on his deck and had this happen. -it makes a real mess under the boat, even with a drop cloth -I had mixed results after the boat got rained on. Some was tripped bare, some was not. But I had 20 years of paint on the hull. Temp/humidty/sunlight seems to effect its work.
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Scott Dube
Why do it yourself?
Why not make a deal with the broker? He wants to sell the boat you want to buy it, tell him to fix the paint right and you'll buy it! Failing that he may be willing to split it with you somehow... Negotiate the price based on condition. This boat is new enough that you should be able to do this. Good luck, Scott
Why not make a deal with the broker? He wants to sell the boat you want to buy it, tell him to fix the paint right and you'll buy it! Failing that he may be willing to split it with you somehow... Negotiate the price based on condition. This boat is new enough that you should be able to do this. Good luck, Scott
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