sailing to Catalina, where to launch?

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Dec 26, 2012
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MacGregor 25 San Diego
Planning my first trip to the island in a couple weeks with some friends and wondering where I should plan on dropping my boat into the water. I'm coming from san diego and picking people up in san clemente so we can go about anywhere.

Deciding factors would be
1. Best wind direction for sailing (both ways)
2. Safe parking for truck and trailer
3. Best for other reason?
 
Jul 29, 2010
1,392
Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
We used to launch out of Cabrillo Beach early morning in San Pedro and drop anchor for a week every year. Early morning is "usually" pretty flat. Afternoon winds can be a beast. It's the closest point, you know, "26 miles across sea..... It's about 5+ hours From San Pedro. I've talked to some who have launched out of Dana Point and Marina Del Rey. Out of Dana Pt. if the wind is blowing through the slot you would probably be close reach to Avalon and broad reach home. Opposite out Del Rey. Either way is more miles.Parking is always a problem due to safety and local rules. See if anyone else has experience at this. You can rent a mooring can at Avalon, first come first serve. Call the Harbor Master on channel 9 when you get close and they will tell you if they have something available and will escort you in. If not there is an anchorage at Descanso point. There is also shore boat service if you don't have a dinghy. You can get beans, beer and bacon at the local Von's but I suggest take as much as you can with you because prices are higher there. Contact Avalon Chamber of commerce and they can help you with your plans. Wish I was going with you, many fond memories.
 
Jan 4, 2006
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Have A Great Trip

Stinker, I know nothing about launching from San Diego.

There are a few different ways to make this crossing from San Clemente. I'll assume you're destination is Avalon, not Two Harbors at the island's isthmus.
  1. Motor straight from San Clemente to Avalon @ about 80° true. It'll be about 35 n. miles. If you're on a trailer, your waterline is short, so figure a maximum of 5kts for a minimum passage time of 7–8hrs. to Avalon. Make sure you have adequate fuel. You may be able to swing the main out on the traveler enough to fill and so use it as a steadying sail. The headsail will remain doused.
  2. Sail close-hauled on a starboard tack toward as if your destination is San Clemente Island, then a port tack when you have Catalina on your beam. You will sail at least 55nm doing this, and that's going to be a 12-hr trip, even if you have enough wind to keep you moving @ 5kts, which is doubtful. If you have friends along, you probably don't want to take the chance of taking forever to get there.
  3. Motor up the coast a bit more to achieve a wind angle that is more conducive to a sailing crossing: at least Newport Beach or higher. From San Clemente you'll motor north 20 nm to Newport, then have a crossing of 25nm. Figure at least 10 hrs. from S. Clemente before you enter the fairway @ Avalon.
If it were my first trip w/ friends, I'd choose the first option, and just get there, knowing that there will likely be a good downwind sail going back home to enjoy.

Here is an edited version of a post of mine from another forum that you may find helpful. My best advice is to find the diagram on the www.visitcatalinaisland website mentioned below and study how to pick up a mooring and secure your boat using their bow-and-stern system. You will find the diagram by clicking the "Boating" link at the bottom of the homepage.

To pick up a mooring, start your engine on your approach (if it's not already running) so that you can begin to douse/secure all sail well before you get about 100 yds. from the fairway mouth, and when once there, hail Avalon on VHF channel 12 ("Avalon, this is the [boat name]" "Avalon, we are a _____-ft. sailboat requesting a mooring for [length of stay]." The Harbor motor launch will meet you there (often they will come to greet you before you can hail the harbor master; if there are boats waiting ahead of you, just be patient, and the motor launch will come to you).

A technique I've found convenient at this point is (with all sail down, of course) to shift into neutral and let the yacht come to a stop, then shift into reverse, and let the bow blow down directly downwind. Depending on the strength of the breeze, you'll pretty much be keeping station in one spot while interacting with the harbor launch.

Picking up the mooring can be tricky for the uninitiated. You will be assigned your mooring by the launch; it will be numbered like a stadium seat: a row letter followed by a number. A is the row closest to the beach. Tell the launch operator you're a first-timer and ask him to point it out for you.

Print out the mooring diagram & directions on the visitcatalinaisland site, and make sure you study/discuss the mooring procedure with your crewmen ahead of time as you cross the channel.

After you move down the row and spot your mooring, take note of the wind direction and how much room you have . After you swing around for your second approach, close on the buoy from directly downwind, aiming for the pole. Come in slower than your instinct tells you: unless there's a breeze up, the slower the better, because the tendency is to over-shoot.

The diagram and directions given on the site are good, so I'll just give a couple of tips about securing your boat to the mooring:
Your crewman's job is to pick up the mooring buoy by the pole, haul it aboard, find the bow hawser (the big yellow loop) and secure it to your bow cleat (pass it under the lifelines!), then run the thin sand line to the stern cleat. As the diagram shows, the stern hawser is at the end of the sand line.

The best way to walk the sand line to the stern is to remember to haul the line energetically and to walk to the stern at the same time. Your line-handler has no leverage to keep the stern of the boat from blowing down if he's still standing at the bows. Get to the stern quickly.

You may find that simply throwing the stern hawser over the cleat doesn't offer a snug berth for your size boat, and that it's better to haul up some of the hawser and cleat it off.

Getting to shore can be accomplished either by your own small craft or by hailing the shore boat to come to you (a couple of bucks each way per person). There is a whole etiquette involving dinghy tie-up at the dinghy pier that you will get to know, but the basic rule is that you tie off with plenty of slack to allow others to push you aside so they can nose in and tie up. If the pier is packed, walking through others' dinghies while arriving or leaving is customary.

Just about everything else you need to know is on the visitcatalinaisland.com site.

Have a great trip.
Jeff
 
Nov 22, 2011
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Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
Some corrections and additions

We used to launch out of Cabrillo Beach early morning in San Pedro and drop anchor for a week every year. Early morning is "usually" pretty flat. Afternoon winds can be a beast. It's the closest point, you know, "26 miles across sea..... It's about 5+ hours From San Pedro. I've talked to some who have launched out of Dana Point and Marina Del Rey. Out of Dana Pt. if the wind is blowing through the slot you would probably be close reach to Avalon and broad reach home. Opposite out Del Rey. Either way is more miles.Parking is always a problem due to safety and local rules. See if anyone else has experience at this. You can rent a mooring can at Avalon, first come first serve. Call the Harbor Master on channel 9 when you get close and they will tell you if they have something available and will escort you in. If not there is an anchorage at Descanso point. There is also shore boat service if you don't have a dinghy. You can get beans, beer and bacon at the local Von's but I suggest take as much as you can with you because prices are higher there. Contact Avalon Chamber of commerce and they can help you with your plans. Wish I was going with you, many fond memories.
Some corrections/additions to the above: (1) While San Pedro is the closest launching point to the Island, you're looking at only about 22 nm. from the L.A. Light to Avalon and about 19.5 nm. to the Isthmus. (2) It should definitely be under 5 hours to either of these locations on your particular boat--assuming you are powering over in flat conditions, such as are typical for a morning departure. From L.A. Light to the Isthmus, in fact, it should take you less than 4 hours. (3) Speaking of Avalon, don't call the Harbor Master on Channel 9 because they monitor Channel 12. (The Avalon shore boat monitors 9, though, as does the Isthmus harbor patrol.) (4) When you show up to pick up a mooring at Avalon, don't call them on on the VHF. Look instead for the red and gray Harbor Patrol boat that lurks around the harbor entrance and they will assign you a mooring in person. If no one is around *then* you might try hailing them on channel 12 and let them know you're there (in case the Harbor Patrol guy is off doing something else). But usually there is someone standing by for you there (or they will head your way when they see you waiting) and they only rarely (though occasionally) assign the moorings over the VHF. (5) The anchorage area west of Descanso is horrid. It's very rolly and extremely deep. You'll be lucky if you can anchor in 100' of water, and it's a long trip back to the harbor. Holding is not great, either. Avoid it at all costs. (6) The winter rates are in effect, so you only pay for 2 nights and get the next 5 free. You'll have absolutely zero problem getting a mooring this time of year, inside the harbor. (7) The prices at the Vons are a bit higher on the mainland but not that bad. Don't worry too much about having to buy an item or two there. (8) As far as sailing from San Pedro goes, assuming the prevailing afternoon wind direction, you should have some kind of a reach to/from Avalon. To the Isthmus you would typically be close hauled over and beam/broad reaching back. But the wind direction is more variable this time of year vs. the summer months, when the westerlies blow like clockwork. If you were to leave mid morning you'd probably power for half of it and sail the last half.

--Alan Gomes
Ericson 26-2
 
Jan 4, 2006
282
West Coast
I read the OP as launching in SD, then picking up guests from S. Clemente who would meet the boat @ Dana Point, but I see now how that was a lot of assuming I was doing.
 
Dec 26, 2012
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MacGregor 25 San Diego
Actually that thread says little about departure locations, mostly info about Avalon which I didn't ask about as I had already read several threads with that stuff. I'm definitely not planning on launching from san diego. One of the nice things about having your boat on a trailer is that I can bring it to the best harbor at 65mph on the freeway. I'm just trying to decide which harbor that is.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
From that thread:
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Originally Posted by StinkBug
This is probably a question limited to those of us who keep our boats on a trailer. I live down in San Diego but plan to tow up to MDR or Long Beach when I go. Anyone know a good, safe place to stash the truck and trailer for the weekend?

Marina del Rey is safe as well as Queens Way Bridge. Both are $10/24 hr day. MDR may have a little more security with the Beaches and Harbors office just down the road and the Sheriffs'
dock adjacent to launch. It's a nice upper class neighborhood. I would still not leave anything of value in your vehicle however.
When do you plan on going over?
 
Dec 26, 2012
359
MacGregor 25 San Diego
I caught that on my second read, good info for sure. I'd love to hear from someone that knows san pedro as well as that looks to be the preferred start point from a sailing standpoint.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
The only other place besides Queens Way Bridge launch in that area is Cabrillo Beach, San Pedro. They also have a good ramp but I would be hesitant about leaving my truck there for the weekend. The Davies launch at 2nd street bridge will not work for you beacause the bridge is not tall enought for a Mac 25. A Mac 22 is good to go there but even then there are no finger docks so you have to drive your boat on to the trailer. Here are your 4 choices. There is also Dana Harbor launch, very nice but a long sail.
 

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Jul 20, 2011
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1974 Macgregor 22 SoCal - dry storage
The only other place besides Queens Way Bridge launch in that area is Cabrillo Beach, San Pedro. They also have a good ramp but I would be hesitant about leaving my truck there for the weekend. The Davies launch at 2nd street bridge will not work for you beacause the bridge is not tall enought for a Mac 25. A Mac 22 is good to go there but even then there are no finger docks so you have to drive your boat on to the trailer. Here are your 4 choices. There is also Dana Harbor launch, very nice but a long sail.
The pigtail thing suggested by Frank is good to have, too. you can read about it in my catalina-question thread he referenced earlier.
 
Dec 26, 2012
359
MacGregor 25 San Diego
awesome info thanks. Not being from the area i was confused and didnt know queensway wasnt in mdr. Thought that post was all About one place.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
awesome info thanks. Not being from the area i was confused and didnt know queensway wasnt in mdr. Thought that post was all About one place.
I think
Queensway is officiallly Shoreline launch ramp.
 
Dec 26, 2012
359
MacGregor 25 San Diego
Regardless of name I know where it is now which is more than I knew yesterday. :)
 
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