Sailing the Atlantic, yes or no?

Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I sure don't know where you are finding these "VERY accurate 3 day forecasts", but we've just gone through a week of unforecast winds of 35 to 40 knots, gusting to 47+, with the forecast winds of 15 to 20. As for running at 10+ knots, I think you are still dreaming a bit on the majority of the cruising yachts out there and honestly, I'd like to know how many 250+ mile days YOU'VE sailed. It's just not that easy to maintain that kind of speed on a short handed cruising boat, and I'm sure not letting any "mindless machine" steer MY boat at 10+ knots.
So I'd have to agree with Don S/V ILLusion on this one; planning to out run any weather system on a cruising yacht is not only "about the dumbest form of seamanship ever imagined", it's downright suicidal.
How many? Enough to know its easily done. And it didn't take 24h to do them. But you are missing the point. If you have a cruising boat that can plane off the wind, the world changes. But like I said before, its a TOOL. A capability. You use it with discretion.

No disrespect intended, but your boat was designed 35 years ago. Probably strong as crap but old school. I'd challenge you to set foot on a new fast cruising boat. Not for everybody. And I never said the majority. But just because you've never done it does not mean it does not exist.

Gunni originally posted this:

Boat speed is a significant and under-appreciated sailboat safety factor - you can outflank the fight.
That is a TRUE statement. Neither he or I said PLAN to outrun a storm. Use speed as a tool. I'm really not sure why you guys have your undies in a twist.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
If travelling from the Caribbean to Spain, for example--perhaps following the 18th century sailing routes, can one really expect to be able to avoid the gale storm cells that relentlessly cross the North Atlantic from west to east? Sometimes these things are lined up, coming across a spot every few days. Who's done this successfully, if anybody, in this forum? The best way I know of avoiding most storms is by timing one's season of travel.
 
Mar 6, 2012
357
Hunter H33 (limited edition cabin top) Bayou Chico
How many? Enough to know its easily done. And it didn't take 24h to do them. But you are missing the point. If you have a cruising boat that can plane off the wind, the world changes. But like I said before, its a TOOL. A capability. You use it with discretion.

No disrespect intended, but your boat was designed 35 years ago. Probably strong as crap but old school. I'd challenge you to set foot on a new fast cruising boat. Not for everybody. And I never said the majority. But just because you've never done it does not mean it does not exist.

i think some of the point thats being made here is that in most ppl's cruising paradigm planing at 10-15 kts for anything more than a few hrs while trying to run from a storm will be a horrendous pounding nightmare, like has been said alot already it can be done but there are few ppl that can/will do that with a 2 person crew.
 

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
i think some of the point thats being made here is that in most ppl's cruising paradigm planing at 10-15 kts for anything more than a few hrs while trying to run from a storm will be a horrendous pounding nightmare, like has been said alot already it can be done but there are few ppl that can/will do that with a 2 person crew.
Your conclusions are informed by your personal perspective. All day, open ocean 10 knot boat speeds in the OP's original inquiry (Beneteau 46) are not only easily obtainable, they can be pleasant and fun. The same conditions in a 33ft Hunter would not. And if you are outrunning a storm you can see with your own eyes, your strategy has already failed.

You may just be making the fast jump to the next port, and a better weather system; while the full-keel boys prudently stay behind to weather a storm.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,337
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Your conclusions are informed by your personal perspective. All day, open ocean 10 knot boat speeds in the OP's original inquiry (Beneteau 46) are not only easily obtainable, they can be pleasant and fun. The same conditions in a 33ft Hunter would not. And if you are outrunning a storm you can see with your own eyes, your strategy has already failed.

You may just be making the fast jump to the next port, and a better weather system; while the full-keel boys prudently stay behind to weather a storm.
And your "personal perspective"?

10knots? In a storm??

Wow
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Mulling all this over as if I have nothing else to do I awoke to the conclusion that it is simply a reincarnation of the well-plied debates over heft & stability versus speed & agility. If you're going to cross the ocean in a sailboat with your wife only, or otherwise a small crew, what strategy? A heavy, proven, albeit slow, cruiser that can take care of itself (and you) when the sea asserts its relentless forces; or a lighter, faster, more agile cruiser that potentially minimizes your time of exposure to those same forces, but one which you have to take care of with more crew work, weather reading & forecasting, & course planning, etc. Hunker down and let the sea wash over me while I sit below in my safe 25,000+ lb cocoon with its full, deep keel; reading, or employ the more active tactics of avoidance, running off, trailing drogues or whatever, because I MUST. My light, fin-keeled, flat-bottomed boat with its spade rudder and high free-board will not heave-to or lie ahull well, or suffer well the pounding of the seas; but, it will scream down the face of waves with great speed and agility away from the trouble. The only problem is: someone has to be up there helming the thing in two-hour shifts, etc.

In the histories of war of which I'm familiar, speed & agility have triumphed most of the time over heft & stability. Mobile armies have brought down walled cities; the Sherman defeated the Tiger, Spitfires crushed the Messerschmidt, PT's sank cruisers; hell, even the Bismarck was ultimately defeated by a wooden bi-plane carrying a primitive torpedo.

It's either take what comes or get the hell out of the way. That is the question (choice)!! People buy a 380 Island Packet to cross the San Pedro Channel (22 n.mi.) to Catalina Island twice a year in summer; others buy a Catalina 27 to go around the world. Go figure. Your money, your boat, your choice. I just hope you understand what you're signing up for!!
 
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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
KG, there was a skipper on cruisersforum who just last month completed a west to east crossing of the N Atlantic in April! He had a spot and when his speeds reported to drop at night folks got concerned. Turned out he had some sail slug mainsail problems and hove to at night! Just the skipper and his girlfriend doing a catamaran delivery via the Azores. Great reading. Points being that

1. He was VERY, VERY good at sailing and dealing with "issues"

2. He was a great weather forecaster, doing his own, using the highs & lows to his advantage

Not everyone can do that. And, you're right, your boat, your choice, different tools for different tasks, or even different tools (boats) for the same task, can make for either both successful crossings or nightmares.


If travelling from the Caribbean to Spain, for example--perhaps following the 18th century sailing routes, can one really expect to be able to avoid the gale storm cells that relentlessly cross the North Atlantic from west to east? Sometimes these things are lined up, coming across a spot every few days. Who's done this successfully, if anybody, in this forum? The best way I know of avoiding most storms is by timing one's season of travel.