Sailing Round Down Video
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ENCORE, ENCORE!!!!
Loved it thanks! Good to see I'm not the only one who has troubles from time to time! How bout some more video? Felt like I was crouching on the transome watching the whole thing, kewel
Loved it thanks! Good to see I'm not the only one who has troubles from time to time! How bout some more video? Felt like I was crouching on the transome watching the whole thing, kewel
Bravo!
LOVED the soundtrack, and how it aligned with the moments of the video too!;D I was amazed that nobody got smacked! (By the boom OR the MOB! hahahah) Skip
LOVED the soundtrack, and how it aligned with the moments of the video too!;D I was amazed that nobody got smacked! (By the boom OR the MOB! hahahah) Skip
totally out of control
hi everyone, without being rude to anyone, but this was a run that was totally out of control from the start. The foredeck obviously was novice, did not realize that the pressure of the Spi on the halyard would be stronger than her (she almost fly off the deck when she releases the halyard). The crew on the guy did not depower the sail what so ever before giving the instruction to tension the halyard and that maneuvre was done without first informing the rest of the crew! When the boat starts rounding up the crew on the lazy guy is hanging for dear life and no one brings him in, yet the the crew on the guy leave his position and goes forward !!! The pit should be retrieving this sail not the aft crew. At that time the helmsman has no control and is asking the crew what to do (?!) you can see the main sheet flapping around ready to tangle around someone limb and/or come under tention in a wind shift, at one point it's wrapped on the starboard winch. Then with the boat still not under control the foredeck is standing up aft of the spreaders, her back to the main sail !!! And gets wacked by the boom. NO ONE KEEP constant watch on the MOB! (unbelievable!) (I do NOT care if there is a spectator boat around). Finally the helm regains control but even then, the MOB is retrieved with a crew (the one that was on the lazy guy) trying to help the MOB aboard without being secured himself. This should have been done at the stays, at the beamiest part of the boat, crew standing up one arm around the upper and /or lower stays one arm extrended toward the MOB, the MOB aim for the stays herself while crossing from one ship to the other. One extra crew ready to assist, other crew on starboard side to compensate. All in all this was not a wipe out but a maneuvre badly executed and almost all following actions were not correct for the situation. This could have been much worse. Never the less... Very entertaining. a.
hi everyone, without being rude to anyone, but this was a run that was totally out of control from the start. The foredeck obviously was novice, did not realize that the pressure of the Spi on the halyard would be stronger than her (she almost fly off the deck when she releases the halyard). The crew on the guy did not depower the sail what so ever before giving the instruction to tension the halyard and that maneuvre was done without first informing the rest of the crew! When the boat starts rounding up the crew on the lazy guy is hanging for dear life and no one brings him in, yet the the crew on the guy leave his position and goes forward !!! The pit should be retrieving this sail not the aft crew. At that time the helmsman has no control and is asking the crew what to do (?!) you can see the main sheet flapping around ready to tangle around someone limb and/or come under tention in a wind shift, at one point it's wrapped on the starboard winch. Then with the boat still not under control the foredeck is standing up aft of the spreaders, her back to the main sail !!! And gets wacked by the boom. NO ONE KEEP constant watch on the MOB! (unbelievable!) (I do NOT care if there is a spectator boat around). Finally the helm regains control but even then, the MOB is retrieved with a crew (the one that was on the lazy guy) trying to help the MOB aboard without being secured himself. This should have been done at the stays, at the beamiest part of the boat, crew standing up one arm around the upper and /or lower stays one arm extrended toward the MOB, the MOB aim for the stays herself while crossing from one ship to the other. One extra crew ready to assist, other crew on starboard side to compensate. All in all this was not a wipe out but a maneuvre badly executed and almost all following actions were not correct for the situation. This could have been much worse. Never the less... Very entertaining. a.
ok wait a minute
Ok wait a minute, M aybe I was a bit harsh there. I watched the video again and many things were actually done properly, specially given that some crew look more experienced than others and took control of the situation. Yet optimally you do want every poswition to be covered by one crew and each crew to stay at their position. Again, very entertaining. a.
Ok wait a minute, M aybe I was a bit harsh there. I watched the video again and many things were actually done properly, specially given that some crew look more experienced than others and took control of the situation. Yet optimally you do want every poswition to be covered by one crew and each crew to stay at their position. Again, very entertaining. a.
An event you have to see to believe
I was grining from ear to ear through the whole thing until the gal flew overboard and they kept sailing away(although I wasn't surprised). It takes guts to post such a kangaroo court of a crew on the net for all to see(youtube is gonna be a trip for this type of stuff). Glad nobody was hurt....but I'm still grinin'. Wahooo, stuff happens in real world sailin' and "Hammin' it up" to boot. What an appropriate name. And the guy clinging to the leeward rail begging for a good decision from the captain was too much. The whole thing just never seemed to end. It sort of seemed like the newest version of "Jackass II" the movie(which I did'nt watch so don't start) or AFV. Funny in a sick way, and bizarre to see because you can't look away even when you know it's gonna hurt in the end. Hidden cams in the cockpit are certainly next.....beware you over extended admirals. And to think I had really thought about doing onboard cams.... until I saw this. Ahhh building memories, Play safe Michael and kelli
I was grining from ear to ear through the whole thing until the gal flew overboard and they kept sailing away(although I wasn't surprised). It takes guts to post such a kangaroo court of a crew on the net for all to see(youtube is gonna be a trip for this type of stuff). Glad nobody was hurt....but I'm still grinin'. Wahooo, stuff happens in real world sailin' and "Hammin' it up" to boot. What an appropriate name
. And the guy clinging to the leeward rail begging for a good decision from the captain was too much. The whole thing just never seemed to end. It sort of seemed like the newest version of "Jackass II" the movie(which I did'nt watch so don't start) or AFV. Funny in a sick way, and bizarre to see because you can't look away even when you know it's gonna hurt in the end. Hidden cams in the cockpit are certainly next.....beware you over extended admirals. And to think I had really thought about doing onboard cams.... until I saw this. Ahhh building memories, Play safe Michael and kelliRock and a hard place
It seems to me this video brings up an interesting topic. I understood the under-enthusiastic MOB response partly as a result of the chute still being out of control. What is the correct MOB procedure when your boat and/or crew is already somewhat occupied with a critical job and the boat cannot be operated normally. Say it wasn't a race and there was no trailing boat or nearby fleet. I expect a flotation device should have been thrown at the very least. Was the correct priority to get the boat under control so that they could safely return? I agree also that no crew member maintained constant visual contact. This question is all the more relevant given that MOB scenarios often include other extreme elements. Would you racers out there say that the response in the video is normal for race conditions?
It seems to me this video brings up an interesting topic. I understood the under-enthusiastic MOB response partly as a result of the chute still being out of control. What is the correct MOB procedure when your boat and/or crew is already somewhat occupied with a critical job and the boat cannot be operated normally. Say it wasn't a race and there was no trailing boat or nearby fleet. I expect a flotation device should have been thrown at the very least. Was the correct priority to get the boat under control so that they could safely return? I agree also that no crew member maintained constant visual contact. This question is all the more relevant given that MOB scenarios often include other extreme elements. Would you racers out there say that the response in the video is normal for race conditions?
blow the boom vang
That accident wasn't as much about on inexperienced foredeck as it was about an inept helm. Early on, the helm should have maneuvered so that the main blanketed the chute while the halyard was tensioned. When the halyard "slipped," the helm responded inappropriately by attempting to wrestle the chute back into position with the tiller. Bad idea. A better response would have been to steer the opposite way so that the boat followed its chute. People seem to forget that when the boat's on its side the rudder is out of the water. The objective immediately after rounding down should have been to get that boat back into control. If, at the point the helm was yelling that she had nothing and asking what to do, the vang had been blown, the boom would have skied, depowering the main, and the rudder would once again have been able to control the boat.
That accident wasn't as much about on inexperienced foredeck as it was about an inept helm. Early on, the helm should have maneuvered so that the main blanketed the chute while the halyard was tensioned. When the halyard "slipped," the helm responded inappropriately by attempting to wrestle the chute back into position with the tiller. Bad idea. A better response would have been to steer the opposite way so that the boat followed its chute. People seem to forget that when the boat's on its side the rudder is out of the water. The objective immediately after rounding down should have been to get that boat back into control. If, at the point the helm was yelling that she had nothing and asking what to do, the vang had been blown, the boom would have skied, depowering the main, and the rudder would once again have been able to control the boat.
been there done- some of this was like reliving it
When we loose it with the chute up on the San Juan 24 it is a lot like that. I have found that in this kind of downwind situation- and I think the SJ chute is bigger- everything is in the hands of the helmsman and the person flying the chute. We got dragged all over the lake on the last race of the season last year with the chute up in 18-20 knots, basically because the foredeck flying it didnt know enough to ease when it starts to go. Didnt like the running around- looked like more crew training is needed and a captain that is more in control of the situation. The MOB could have been a real disaster if 1) there had ben no pick up boat near, 2) the water had been cold and 3) there had been big waves. Raelistic tho
When we loose it with the chute up on the San Juan 24 it is a lot like that. I have found that in this kind of downwind situation- and I think the SJ chute is bigger- everything is in the hands of the helmsman and the person flying the chute. We got dragged all over the lake on the last race of the season last year with the chute up in 18-20 knots, basically because the foredeck flying it didnt know enough to ease when it starts to go. Didnt like the running around- looked like more crew training is needed and a captain that is more in control of the situation. The MOB could have been a real disaster if 1) there had ben no pick up boat near, 2) the water had been cold and 3) there had been big waves. Raelistic tho
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