Sailing inside the marina

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Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
I don't know what kind of layout some of you have but I'm off a busy fairway with several turns. NOBODY sails in there. If another boat comes around the blind corner there would be real problems. I sometimes have to bail out & circle around for a second attempt when traffic is heavy. Or come to a complete stop and wait for traffic to pas and then turn into my slip. Doing that under sail would be irresponsible to say the least.

Even in an easy situation, things can come up that require tight maneuvers. If you hit something because of your foolish attitude, I hope you pay for it in spades. Seems stupid to me. Just another form of bravado.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
IMHP there a time and place for everything and i can imagine that there are times and places when its fine and times when you would be the obnoxious boat owner
 

BobT

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Sep 29, 2008
239
Gulfstar 37 North East River, Chesapeake Bay
I've been hit by a guy who thought it would be safer put sails up at his slip than to go forward when he was out in the open. First thing in the morning, I heard the jib go up, I looked out and saw him pushing his boat out of the slip next to me with the both sails flapping. The breeze blowing right back into the slips. I couldn't get dressed and out the companionway fast enough to get out there to fend him off. His little outboard had no chance to hold him and he jammed the first 1/3 of his boat between my stern and the piling. This was a little guy in a little boat with little sense.
There are times and locations when we might get away with it, but I think conditions are everything here. Especially shorthanded!
 
Aug 23, 2009
361
Hunter 30 Middle River MD
Been there Done that

I have had to come in on Sail twice, once in a dinghy with a very old Johnson 2hp Sea Horse and once on my 30.

In both cases the reason was the same engine failure. In the case of the dinghy I was just learning to sail (about 4 years ago), was out by myself turned for home, when the wind went down to nil, I went to start the motor, gave the rope a tug and when it split I nearly fell out. As the sails were still up I waited till a the wind came up and sailed as close as I dared and rowed in the rest of the way.

The next time I was bringing the Hunter home, from the PO's marina about two days out from home and was also taking her to the Good Old Boat Race as the mid point of the trip. I had been sailing for about three years at that point. My friend John who had gotten me into sailing was aboard as was Jackie his significant other. He is a skilled sailor and regular racer. It was a good thing he was on board as it turned out. We left Solomons Island with a brisk wind but little chop and the boat handling well. As we left the river and got into the bay the full force of the wind hit, it was blowing 30 mph with gusts near 50 and the waves to match. The main had no reef points and by chance we had pulled out the storm jib, so off we went. The boat handled well in large part due to his seamanship, in part because it is a great handling boat. If it had been just me the boat would have stayed in the river till the wind came down to a more livable number, but as we had to vacate the slip and needed to get to Annapolis for the race and would not have been able to get there for the skippers meeting if we had to give up a day we went.

What happened the following morning was a direct result of the chop. Coming into Oxford we had put on the engine at the rivers mouth about 3 miles out. The waves continued for about 2 miles of it. We got into harbor and dropped anchor. The following morning we motored back out of the anchorage toward the bay. About a mile up we found the chop from the day before even though the wind was now down. We bounced along under power as we got ready to hoist sail. With the main up and the jib about to be the engine sputtered and died. Cranked it a few times but wasn't starting, so we hoisted the jib and turned back to Oxford. I went below to look at the engine everything looked like it should. Back on deck crank it again sputters and runs about 3 seconds and dies. Having only just bought the boat 2 weeks earlier wasn't making me a happy owner. We called the marina told them we were coming in under sail and they cleared a space for us. It went beautifully.

We dropped the main about 100 feet off and coasted in coming to a stop within inches of our target.

Problem, remember the chop it had stirred up the fuel tank and the water separator had filled up sending water to the injector. Lucklily no real damage and learned how to bleed the system that evening.

Since then we have done approaches like that one once in a while as practice, in a 34 year old boat with its original power plant you have to assume once and a while you are going to have to get back without power. Mind you I'd still just as soon have a more experienced skipper calling the shots if it were the real thing again.
 
Jan 10, 2009
590
PDQ 32 Deale, MD
I've sailed in and out of slips many times with small boats. Easy. I've sailed bigger boats in and out a very few times, when engine failure left few options... though I would have used a dingy tug if the traffic had not been zero and the wind accommodating. I always worried that someone would suddenly pull out, destroying my plan.

But that said, I think it is a good rule. The reason is traffic, the same as there are restrictions around many bridges and canals. The boat under sail needs right-of-way in order to make his tacks, and in many places, I'm in no damn mood to give up right-of-way to someone who is simply being cute and showing off where there is no room for this child's game. It's all fun until the wind shifts or someone backs out of a slip.

If you are under sail inside a tight harbor (subject to some interpretation--it depends on the harbor, wind, and boat) and you, by claiming right-of-way or by affecting the maneuvering of other boats in any way, contribute to an accident, you should be completely responsible. You failed to maintain good control of your boat in a place you knew was congested.

Common sense folks.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I always worried that someone would suddenly pull out, destroying my plan.
... I'm in no damn mood to give up right-of-way to someone who is simply being cute and showing off where there is no room for this child's game. It's all fun until the wind shifts or someone backs out of a slip.
Rather than getting into a discussion about common sense (endless), how about this?: Before I pull out from a curb in my car, or back out in my boat, I always check the fairway. Anybody who is there first gets to go first.

I understand your concern about other boats, but perhaps, you never know, maybe the guy in the other boat isn't being cute and showing off, maybe they're trying to get back to their slip with a broken engine.

So, wouldn't it simply be prudent to look both ways before you pull into the road/fairway?

and I certainly agree that conditions (fairway, neighboring boats, traffic, and wind direction) are critical aspects of making this decision. I clearly described my own particular conditions, which, quite frankly, are amazingly easy to deal with. Many others, as many have said, are not.
 
Jan 10, 2009
590
PDQ 32 Deale, MD
Rather than getting into a discussion about common sense (endless), how about this?: Before I pull out from a curb in my car, or back out in my boat, I always check the fairway. Anybody who is there first gets to go first.

I understand your concern about other boats, but perhaps, you never know, maybe the guy in the other boat isn't being cute and showing off, maybe they're trying to get back to their slip with a broken engine.

So, wouldn't it simply be prudent to look both ways before you pull into the road/fairway?
Of course, and everything you said is good sense. I agree. As I said in the first PP, I have sailed in a few times, without issue. I learned sailing dinghies.

Which is why, in some places, we should reserve sailing for need, not want. I will always give way, even if it places me in some hazard or soft aground, and I want to know there was a sound reason for my reaction. I see others sail in for fun, and in some cases, I feel it is poor seamanship that I should not have to deal with. Yeah, I know how, but I would consider it a rude attention-seeking gesture if it was only for fun.

And a strong rant is fun, sometimes, no offense intended:D.
 
Dec 29, 2008
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Treworgy 65' LOA Custom Steel Pilothouse Staysail Ketch St. Croix, Virgin Islands
IMHP there a time and place for everything and i can imagine that there are times and places when its fine and times when you would be the obnoxious boat owner
I couldn't agree more. It also depends on the boat and the skipper. It would seem to me that prudence dictates that there are combinations of circumstances which would allow being under sail within the confines of a marina. I, too, have sailed boats singlehanded into a slips, but with some boats it would clearly be irresponsible or even reckless.
 

druid

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Apr 22, 2009
837
Ontario 32 Pender Harbour
I've had to sail onto a dock or into a slip a few times in my life. Once, the engine died and I was ghosting into Nanaimo Harbour. A guy asked me how I was: I answered "I'm sailing into a dock. Either I'm having a Bad Day or I'm an Idiot" ;)

Always made it in safely, and nobody ever told me I shouldn't have sailed in.

(Then there was Wolf, God rest his soul - you're not allowed to sail under the Lions Gate Bridge, but sometimes he would purposely "damage" his engine so he could sail under and call it "an emergency" )

druid
 

Les

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May 8, 2004
375
Hunter 27 Bellingham, WA
I don't think I've seen one reason that marinas and ports have the no sailing rule--it is for lawsuit protection. They don't enforce the rule but if you were to hit something under sail you could not sue the marina.

In my town it is against the law to walk downtown in high heels. No, the rule doesn't mention men or women--if you were to trip or fall in high heels in my city you can't sue the town.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
It's all fun until the wind shifts or someone backs out of a slip.
You just reminded me of my "worst day of sailing ever"

Well actually the sailing was great but ...this does relate to sailing in verses using the O.B.

This was about 10 years ago and I was doing a shake down sail in my new-to-me macgregor V21. (This was pre-restoration).

I had sailed out of Kiptopeake state park and as the day grew late a thunder boomer was growing on the horizon. So I headed back. Under sail..... Slipped in between the two sunken battle ships and was a few yards from the dock.... so I dropped the main and instructed my wife to crank up the keel... coming in under jib alone... when a large fishing boat punched out (no-wake zone -- I didn's see a stikin no wake zone) and knocked me 90-degrees off course with his bow wake.

No problem .... I'll just sail around again... but... My keel would not come down... It was swollen and now stuck in the up position. (did I mention a thunderstorm coming in) So I fired up my ancient 2hp OB and it quickly seized up... I had allowed my jib sheet to trail in the water and I had fouled the prop. (I didn't figure that out till later....)

So I quickly panicked!!! No engine, can't sail. Big storm coming in and I'm now stuck in a current and heading towards Maryland. Things sure can go from great to sucking-hard really fast.

Anyway I decided to beach her using the jib and then I walked her back to the launch. Took 4 hours, scrapped shins, blown flip flops and cut feet. Hard lesson learned.

I fixed the keel, and boy do I watch lines in the water now.
 
Jan 10, 2009
590
PDQ 32 Deale, MD
You just reminded me of my "worst day of sailing ever"

Well actually the sailing was great but ...this does relate to sailing in verses using the O.B.

This was about 10 years ago and I was doing a shake down sail in my new-to-me macgregor V21. (This was pre-restoration).

I had sailed out of Kiptopeake state park and as the day grew late a thunder boomer was growing on the horizon. So I headed back. Under sail..... Slipped in between the two sunken battle ships and was a few yards from the dock.... so I dropped the main and instructed my wife to crank up the keel... coming in under jib alone... when a large fishing boat punched out (no-wake zone -- I didn's see a stikin no wake zone) and knocked me 90-degrees off course with his bow wake.

No problem .... I'll just sail around again... but... My keel would not come down... It was swollen and now stuck in the up position. (did I mention a thunderstorm coming in) So I fired up my ancient 2hp OB and it quickly seized up... I had allowed my jib sheet to trail in the water and I had fouled the prop. (I didn't figure that out till later....)

So I quickly panicked!!! No engine, can't sail. Big storm coming in and I'm now stuck in a current and heading towards Maryland. Things sure can go from great to sucking-hard really fast.

Anyway I decided to beach her using the jib and then I walked her back to the launch. Took 4 hours, scrapped shins, blown flip flops and cut feet. Hard lesson learned.

I fixed the keel, and boy do I watch lines in the water now.
Everyone who tells the truth has a lesson like that (I've cut at least a few lines out of props). However, the ones most like that were solved by having an anchor ready to go fast. Very fast.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Everyone who tells the truth has a lesson like that (I've cut at least a few lines out of props). However, the ones most like that were solved by having an anchor ready to go fast. Very fast.

That is good advice! In this case I don't know if it would have helped. I was out past the sunken ships before I tried to fire up the O.B. That is why the current had me. I thought if I just bounced hard enough in the cockpit, I could shake the keel out of the trunk. So it was some time before I tried to fire up the O.B. I'm sure I looked crazy jumping up and down in my boat...:eek:. Maybe if I had an anchor to toss right at the launch when the fishing boat first knocked me off course I could have saved the day... but I didn't know I was in trouble yet. It was not till I tried to lower the keel ... and I had already sailed off by then.

By the time I fouled the prop I was out a bit and an anchor would not have helped me.

Related to this thread, I probably would have been fine if I had lowered my sails before I came through the break water and had everything shipshape. Then started the O.B. and came in under power.

Ah well.... It was a long time ago and the scars are almost healed .... :redface:
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
1,271
CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
great story, rgranger :)

If that's the worst that's ever happened, then you're leading a charmed life.
 
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