Sailing in the ocean

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Oct 11, 2008
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Watkins 23 Acworth
Hi all,
I have another question. Can my Watkins 23 handle sailing in the ocean or is it to small? I live about 6 hours from the Florida panhandle and about the same to the Georgia coast. Does anyone else ocean sail?

Thanks,
Barry
 

Ray T

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Jan 24, 2008
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Hunter 216 West End - Seven Lakes
ocean sailing

If you pick your weather and do only day sailing I don't see any reason not to. I would sail my Hunter 216 in this way. I would not sail either of these boats for more than a few hours at a time on the ocean, the weather can change and it can be very unpleasant at best. Ray T
 
Jun 19, 2004
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Catalina 387 Hull # 24 Port Charlotte, Florida
It Depends

On what the ocean is like and how comfortable you are in it. Sometimes I go sailing in the ocean and the seas have 4 to 6 or up towards 8 to 10 foot swells. Sometimes they are upwards of 20 foot. I'm comfy in 20 footers, but I doubt you would be. I would suspect that dumping into the Gulf side, or going over to the coast side that you will typically encounter these seas and should have a lot of fun. Like said, pay real attention to the forecast and just plan on being out during fair seas.
 

Timo42

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Mar 26, 2007
1,042
Venture 22 Marina del Rey
I know conditions may be different on the east coast, but I sail my venture 22-2 in the ocean, go out all day,guys I sail with go to Catalina and the Channel Islands regularly, 3-4 day trips in similar boats. Make sure the boat is in good shape, have all the safety equipment, check the weather, know how to handle the boat, and go for it. The James Caird was only 22'. Tim
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,198
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
absolutely....

take her out and have a blast....it'll make you a better sailor. When you say ocean I'm assuming you don't mean "offshore" .... that's a different style of sailing. But coastal cruising or day sailing is certainly within your boat's range. Here in SoCal we have very few inland areas to sail except San Diego Bay and LA/Long Beach harbor so sailing in the ocean is the norm. I used to take my laser and Nacra 5.2 out of mission bay and sail up and down the coast off mission beach-LaJolla when I got bored with flat water. Trying to tack a lightweight beach cat in rough condtions can be intimidating, but turning a mono hull with centerboard or keel is simple when using good technique.

Be careful though... you might get a taste for ocean sailing and want to spend all your time there.
 

Chip

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Nov 5, 2008
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mcgreggor 25 SC Fla
On the panhandle I use Port St Joe as a home port, the bay offers some great sailing and your protected by Cape Sand Blas. You can verture out into the gulf on nice days when you have a good weather windowand go east to Applachocola and Dog Island. Another nice 3 or 4 day trip is St marks or Stienhatchee. This time of year nights are cold so take the right gear. Last season I sailed a Morgan 22. This year I'll be sailing a specially outfitted Mcgreger 25. Dockside marina is a great little marina but the best place to keep your boat is in Highland Views a new marina built by Danny Ratfield just across the canal (west ) from Port St Joe Danny's cell is 805-258-6874 Good sailing Ron
 
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Feb 19, 2008
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pearson 26 Pearson 26 Knowlton.
Barry do what you are totally comfortable with and don't be afraid to get others to go out with you to get you at ease! I used to sail my Laser out into the gulfstream off of Delray Beach Fla.and had a blast with the flying fish going over my bow!!!
 
Dec 23, 2007
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catalina catalina22 lake tillery NC
I was in your shoes last memorial

day and took my cat22 to the east coast. Beufort NC to be exact, we sailed for 6 hours up and down the coast and we are beginners. Never had a better time sailing EVER and it's a wing keel. I did watch the weather close and it was only 10 to 15 mph winds. We saw dulphins,jellys, and mantaray. If you are comfy with go for it you will love it. Alan
 
Nov 8, 2007
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Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio
Re: It Depends

Coastal Cruising. To me, this means staying withing a day sail of a safe harbor. Scarey things can happen on Lake Erie, but we can relax and enjoy it because we are never more than 6 hours from a safe harbor. With a combination of weather forecasts, and being alert to weather as it develops around us, we know that our boat can take care of us while we get to port. Your Watkins 23 will do the same.

So sail the ocean as a coastal cruiser. it's different out there, an you will enjoy it.

The Watkins is on the small side for a blue water cruise. For me, that means getting days or weeks away from port. And the major implication of that is that you must take whatever weather comes over the horizon, and deal with it.

Go for it!
 
Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
David is right. The most important thing to do is always have an alternative plan just in case something comes up. Have the necessary charts and equipment to handle emergencies, and above all, know your boat. When you get familiar with your boat, you'll know what she can handle. You just need to pick your days and keep a close watch on the weather, but have that alternative port to duck in just in case.
Joe
 
Oct 18, 2007
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Macgregor 26D Deltona, FL
All the answers are correct. I would add one thing that may not be an issue on the Gulf side of our fair state. Be aware of the inlet tides and currents. We're just 30 minutes from Ponce Inlet and go out often. Sometimes we have to time our departure/return to coincide with the tides or our little boat struggles.
 
Feb 1, 2007
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-Lancer -28 The Sea Of Cortez
I have sailed many ocean miles in small boats. It's not a question of whether the BOAT can take it. It probably can or can be made to with little work. The question is can YOU and your passengers take it?? The MOTION of rough seas quickly saps the enthusiasm of even experienced sailors. The Coast Guard has rescued MANY people from perfectly sound and seaworthy sailboats whose occupants simply couldn't take it any more..The smaller the boat, the more pronounced the motion.

The Gulf Coast and ocean coast has miles and miles of sheltered water to enjoy. Why beat yourself up out on open water? In decent weather, a day-sail out on the ocean can be a lot of fun. You don't have to fear the ocean, just respect its power..
 
Oct 22, 2008
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- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I would emphasize paying strict attention to tides and currents. These are often phenomenon not understood by lake sailors bring their boats onto coastal waters. The tides and tidal currents can pose serious dangers to those not understanding them.

For instance, anchoring out, it is easy to forget to leave enough rode out to accommodate the tidal range. That can leave you with far less scope than you expect. As an example: If you're anchored in 10' of water, and have three feet from the bow roller to the water, and it is low tide with a tidal range of 7'. Letting out 91' of rode, which should give you a 7:1 scope, since 7*13=91, at high tide will leave you with a scope of less than 5:1, since 91/20=4.55. If you get caught by a storm with such a short scope, the chance of you dragging anchor is much higher.

Another example is the tidal currents. Trying to make the entrance of a harbor that faces southwest with a southwest wind against a falling tide can be pretty tricky. Trying the same harbor entrance with a rising tide is often much simpler and safer.

The tidal currents can also greatly increase or decrease your SOG. Sailing with the tidal currents can often gain you 2-3 knots of speed over ground, which is very important in a small sailboat. If you're sailing with the tide and can normally sail at 5 knots, you may end up sailing with an SOG of almost 8 knots. If you were to sail against the tide, you might be only making a bit over two knots—slowing your boat's SOG by almost 75%.
 

OldCat

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Jul 26, 2005
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Catalina , Nacra 5.8, Laser, Hobie Hawk Wonmop, CO
Hi all,
I have another question. Can my Watkins 23 handle sailing in the ocean or is it to small? I live about 6 hours from the Florida panhandle and about the same to the Georgia coast. Does anyone else ocean sail?

Thanks,
Barry
Barry, technically, your question is too vague. A 13.75 foot Laser can handle sailing on the ocean, under the right conditions. So can a windsurfer. Then again, on some really bad days - think hurricane - almost nothing may belong out there. Every reasonable boat has some range of ocean conditions that it can handle.

If your boat is well maintained and equipped, most days I would be glad to take it to Catalina Island (CA) - 23 miles across the sea. But Southern Ca tends to have a lot of nice days with predictable weather. You will need to study your local areas - and the Gulf Stream can get very rough with a wind from the generally north side of the globe.

If you have little ocean experience, go out on the days with mild forecasts. Stay far away from small craft warnings, thunderstorms and so on until you have more experience. Learn your boat, reefing, basic tactics for heavier weather. Learn local weather and effects on the waves and chop. Read books, take classes, go sailing and have fun.

OC
 
Feb 1, 2006
114
oday 22 on trailer Asheville NC
Tides, Currents and Inlets

Hi all,
I have another question. Can my Watkins 23 handle sailing in the ocean or is it to small? I live about 6 hours from the Florida panhandle and about the same to the Georgia coast. Does anyone else ocean sail?

Thanks,
Barry
Sailingdog has good info on tides, currents and inlets. I trailered my O'day 22 from Asheville, NC to Punta Gorda and in May 2008 started 11 AM from Do It Your Self Marina headed for Caya Costa island and Pelican Bay to anchor over night. We had to tack against a southwest wind and wound up just east of Gasparilla Island, then tack south across Boca Grande Pass on the harbor side towards the east side of Caya Costa island. Not knowing what the tides and currents were doing, we were carried to the north end of the island, now realizing how much current we are up against, we sailed to within 40 yd of shore, started the 10 horse Evinrude and with the southwest wind in our sails, motor wide open to make an easting, we sat in one place looking at the same drift wood on the beach not going anywhere. We had to drop 2 anchors and waited for the tide to change and at 2 AM we could motor around to the east side of the island and anchor again. You bet from now on I will study all info I can get on tides, currents and weather. Believe it or not I enjoyed my first over night camp cruise.

Happy Sails, David S
 
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Jon Golliher

Hi all,
I have another question. Can my Watkins 23 handle sailing in the ocean or is it to small? I live about 6 hours from the Florida panhandle and about the same to the Georgia coast. Does anyone else ocean sail?

Thanks,
Barry
Barry,

As others have mentioned most trailer sailboats aren't made for blue water passages. They do well at coastal cruising and many have made short passages close to your area.

Chip Giles and his wife sailed Florida to the Bahamas on a Macgregor 25 by themselves, then later yearly passages to there and/or the Dry Tortugas with a group they formed called the Conch Cruisers, mostly Macgregors.

Th Gulf Stream can be treacherous and passages must be timed to the weather very closely to go in a trailer sailboat.

I know of another couple that are very experienced at coastal cruising a Catalina 22 that have made the passages also. Sorry, I can't remember their names off hand.

I'd recommend doing a Google on the Conch Cruisers to check out there plans for next season. You don't have to have a Macgregor to be welcome.

You might also Google Chip Giles as he used to have logs of his adventures online that were very good reading.

Google Bahama and Dry Tortuga passagemaking and I think you'll find much on the subject.

Trailer sailors have done it for many years, they just have to be more patient waiting for a weather window than bigger blue water boats.

Get some coastal experience and go for it as you feel more comfortable!

Fair winds

Jon
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
LOL... exactly my point... I can't tell you how many times I've seen lake sailors get royally screwed up by this when they first come down to Buzzards Bay. :)

The other thing that I've seen lake sailors do is anchor at high tide, and end up aground at low tide, cause there was enough water for them at high, but wasn't after the tide went out—because they didn't check for the depth at low-tide...and went by what the fathometer said... :)

Sailingdog has good info on tides, currents and inlets. I trailered my O'day 22 from Asheville, NC to Punta Gorda and in May 2008 started 11 AM from Do It Your Self Marina headed for Caya Costa island and Pelican Bay to anchor over night. We had to tack against a southwest wind and wound up just east of Gasparilla Island, then tack south across Boca Grande Pass on the harbor side towards the east side of Caya Costa island. Not knowing what the tides and currents were doing, we were carried to the north end of the island, now realizing how much current we are up against, we sailed to within 40 yd of shore, started the 10 horse Evinrude and with the southwest wind in our sails, motor wide open to make an easting, we sat in one place looking at the same drift wood on the beach not going anywhere. We had to drop 2 anchors and waited for the tide to change and at 2 AM we could motor around to the east side of the island and anchor again. You bet from now on I will study all info I can get on tides, currents and weather. Believe it or not I enjoyed my first over night camp cruise.

Happy Sails, David S
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Sailingdog,

I second the motion on Buzzards Bay, especially entering the canal. We had my 30 footer surfing on 4-6 foot waves and hit 8+ knots. I have some nice video of it. I don't think I'd want to try that in a 23 footer. There was a boatload of people in a 16 foot powerboat (late 60's vintage) tied off to one of the buoys. They must have had less than 10 inches of free board (with six morons on board). I kept expecting them to catch a wake and become bait!
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Yes, the Buzzards Bay entrance to the Cape Cod Canal can become very interesting, especially if the wind has been from the southwest for a while... ;) The tide is especially an issue when dealing with the Canal or Woods Hole... :)
 

OldCat

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Jul 26, 2005
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Catalina , Nacra 5.8, Laser, Hobie Hawk Wonmop, CO
Off topic and OP gone fishin...

Off topic and OP gone fishin...

Are our posts even relevant to the OP's intent? Don't know...
IMHO, We still don't really know what the OP actually meant by "sailing on the ocean".

OC
 
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