any remedy for sailing at anchor, my girl just doesnt want to rest
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sailing at anchor
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Dear John,
I can't imagine your Vega moves around at anchor more than others. Perhaps there could be a tidal current issue going on. I have a friend with a 40' Hunter and his sailing around at anchor is a lot worse than our Vega. I have to stay away from him so he doesn't hit me.
Frank DeBaggis
I can't imagine your Vega moves around at anchor more than others. Perhaps there could be a tidal current issue going on. I have a friend with a 40' Hunter and his sailing around at anchor is a lot worse than our Vega. I have to stay away from him so he doesn't hit me.
Frank DeBaggis
I am Kind of like Frank I can't imagine that her sailing at anchor is a
bad problem, but you can hank a small piece of sail to the back stay
and sheet it forward to the bottom of the mast. If you get it set up so
that it stays amidships that little bit of sail should hold her dead
into the wind. I once bought an old dingy sail and cut it down and
used that on a different boat that had a real problem. I used the
topping lift to raise the sail. It worked fine. In may sailing books
are pictures of riding sails. That same sort of thing will generally
work. Doug
FDEBAGGIS@... wrote:
bad problem, but you can hank a small piece of sail to the back stay
and sheet it forward to the bottom of the mast. If you get it set up so
that it stays amidships that little bit of sail should hold her dead
into the wind. I once bought an old dingy sail and cut it down and
used that on a different boat that had a real problem. I used the
topping lift to raise the sail. It worked fine. In may sailing books
are pictures of riding sails. That same sort of thing will generally
work. Doug
FDEBAGGIS@... wrote:
Hello John:
Are you in a very tight anchorage? My Vega porpoises behind the mooring
under a steady wind but I have had no problems with her approaching too
closely surrounding boats.
John B
Are you in a very tight anchorage? My Vega porpoises behind the mooring
under a steady wind but I have had no problems with her approaching too
closely surrounding boats.
John B
We have weather cloths on Journeyman and among other advantages they add a bit of windage aft and make the yacht lay very steady on the hook. Here's a picture. Weathercloths Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
111 Commercial St.
Portland ME 04101
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From: JG Brisson
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:13 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] sailing at anchor
Hello John:
Are you in a very tight anchorage? My Vega porpoises behind the mooring
under a steady wind but I have had no problems with her approaching too
closely surrounding boats.
John B
111 Commercial St.
Portland ME 04101
207/772-2191
Fax 207/774-3940
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From: JG Brisson
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:13 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] sailing at anchor
Hello John:
Are you in a very tight anchorage? My Vega porpoises behind the mooring
under a steady wind but I have had no problems with her approaching too
closely surrounding boats.
John B
I haven't seem the problem on the Vega as much. But on another boat I had it
wandered a bit. The boat lay to the wind more than the current. What I did
was to create a bridle system. I was using all chain rode and always used a
15 to 25 feet of nylon triple laid rope between the boat and the chain as a
snubber anyway (by running a small 3/8th line from a forward bow cleat to
the chain I attached it with a rolling hitch as I don't like all the metal
hooks and things cold commercially). Then I'd drop the chain a few feet and
let the line take the strain. I used the 3/8th laid line on a 25,000 pound
boat as I wanted all the stretch I could get (this line has a breaking
strength of 3,200 pounds -- enough even in some good blows).
A riding sail is OK, but on a single masted boat harder to rig than on a
Ketch or Yawl. To solve my wandering -- when it was bad I ran a second line
from the bow cleat on the other side and secured it to the anchor chain like
the first, but the line was significantly shorter (or longer as the case me
by). What this did was to create an offset bridle and angled the boat to the
primary holding rode and the boat seemed to lie more quietly. This took me
only a couple minutes to rig.
A stern anchor is good, if all the other boats also use stern anchors. Or
else you'd be totally stationary, or nearly so and the other boats would
swing and you would not move with them.
wandered a bit. The boat lay to the wind more than the current. What I did
was to create a bridle system. I was using all chain rode and always used a
15 to 25 feet of nylon triple laid rope between the boat and the chain as a
snubber anyway (by running a small 3/8th line from a forward bow cleat to
the chain I attached it with a rolling hitch as I don't like all the metal
hooks and things cold commercially). Then I'd drop the chain a few feet and
let the line take the strain. I used the 3/8th laid line on a 25,000 pound
boat as I wanted all the stretch I could get (this line has a breaking
strength of 3,200 pounds -- enough even in some good blows).
A riding sail is OK, but on a single masted boat harder to rig than on a
Ketch or Yawl. To solve my wandering -- when it was bad I ran a second line
from the bow cleat on the other side and secured it to the anchor chain like
the first, but the line was significantly shorter (or longer as the case me
by). What this did was to create an offset bridle and angled the boat to the
primary holding rode and the boat seemed to lie more quietly. This took me
only a couple minutes to rig.
A stern anchor is good, if all the other boats also use stern anchors. Or
else you'd be totally stationary, or nearly so and the other boats would
swing and you would not move with them.
A thing that I think is relevant is the size of the keel and how far aft
it is. Boats having keels fairly large in area tend to lay with the
tide more than the wind. This kind of means that the anchor has to turn
in the bottom as the boat changes the direction it pulls in. An anchor
that does not reset quickly and especially if it is light might well
drag a good ways before re-hooking itself. If I anchor in a strong
tidal water I put out two hooks both laying crossway the tide. This
means that the pull on the anchors is always toward each other no mater
which way the tide is running or the boat is laying. If I come into an
anchorage and there is already a boat anchored I assume he has out one
hundred feet of line and try to anchor outside his swing radius and mine
as well. In tight anchorages most everyone will be on two anchors so
that none of the boats swing hardly at all. It is in this case you need
to anchor the same as everyone else does. If you are the first in an
anchorage you can anchor anyway you want and it's up to everyone else
who comes later to stay out of your way. If your boat sails at anchor
you need to let others who come into the anchorage later know to stay
away. Having said all this I do everything I can to make room for
everybody. An example of this is to not anchor in the middle of an
anchorage but off to the side some so that anther boat can anchor beside
me and still be out of each others way and and at the same time both
stay off the shore.
In boot key Harbor in the Florida keys there was a shrimp trawler
had 200 feet of anchor line out and swung all over the place taking up a
great part of the anchorage. Every one complained but there was not a
thing that could be done about it. The water was only 10 ft deep so a
hundred feet would have been plenty but that is the captains judgment.
Doug
Chris Brown wrote:
it is. Boats having keels fairly large in area tend to lay with the
tide more than the wind. This kind of means that the anchor has to turn
in the bottom as the boat changes the direction it pulls in. An anchor
that does not reset quickly and especially if it is light might well
drag a good ways before re-hooking itself. If I anchor in a strong
tidal water I put out two hooks both laying crossway the tide. This
means that the pull on the anchors is always toward each other no mater
which way the tide is running or the boat is laying. If I come into an
anchorage and there is already a boat anchored I assume he has out one
hundred feet of line and try to anchor outside his swing radius and mine
as well. In tight anchorages most everyone will be on two anchors so
that none of the boats swing hardly at all. It is in this case you need
to anchor the same as everyone else does. If you are the first in an
anchorage you can anchor anyway you want and it's up to everyone else
who comes later to stay out of your way. If your boat sails at anchor
you need to let others who come into the anchorage later know to stay
away. Having said all this I do everything I can to make room for
everybody. An example of this is to not anchor in the middle of an
anchorage but off to the side some so that anther boat can anchor beside
me and still be out of each others way and and at the same time both
stay off the shore.
In boot key Harbor in the Florida keys there was a shrimp trawler
had 200 feet of anchor line out and swung all over the place taking up a
great part of the anchorage. Every one complained but there was not a
thing that could be done about it. The water was only 10 ft deep so a
hundred feet would have been plenty but that is the captains judgment.
Doug
Chris Brown wrote:
nico, like the weather cloths, makes sense to have them only even with the combing bet theyll stop my sailing, thanks all for advice on sailing at anchor. sail trailers finished my trailer so were heading north from the keys, looks like a truck in my future
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From: Nico Walsh nwalsh@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 8:23:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] sailing at anchor
We have weather cloths on Journeyman and among other advantages they add a bit of windage aft and make the yacht lay very steady on the hook. Here's a picture. http://closefetch. blogspot. com/2009/ 10/weathercloths .html
Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
111 Commercial St.
Portland ME 04101
207/772-2191
Fax 207/774-3940
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From: JG Brisson
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:13 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] sailing at anchor
Hello John:
Are you in a very tight anchorage? My Vega porpoises behind the mooring
under a steady wind but I have had no problems with her approaching too
closely surrounding boats.
John B
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From: Nico Walsh nwalsh@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 8:23:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] sailing at anchor
We have weather cloths on Journeyman and among other advantages they add a bit of windage aft and make the yacht lay very steady on the hook. Here's a picture. http://closefetch. blogspot. com/2009/ 10/weathercloths .html
Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
111 Commercial St.
Portland ME 04101
207/772-2191
Fax 207/774-3940
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that is privileged or confidential. If you suspect
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From: JG Brisson
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:13 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] sailing at anchor
Hello John:
Are you in a very tight anchorage? My Vega porpoises behind the mooring
under a steady wind but I have had no problems with her approaching too
closely surrounding boats.
John B