Sailboats in Cape Coral FL

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Nov 13, 2013
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Catalina 34 Tacoma
Greetings all! I am getting close to retirement and thinking of relocating (at least for the winter) to Cape Coral FL. I noticed a number of you are from Florida so I thought I would ask for your thoughts. I've visited the Cape on several occasions in the winter. I've been looking for canal front homes either to rent or buy. The summer I understand can be unbearably hot, especially for a Washingtonian. The question I have is…are the canals deep enough for a Catalina 34 with a 5'6" draft? I know only some homes have "sailboat access" to the gulf. Do you lift the boat out of the water or leave in all year? Any other pointers would be appreciated.
 

Paul F

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Jun 3, 2004
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Hunter 1980 - 33 Bradenton
Cape Coral is a wonderful place to sail. You will enjoy it in all seasons. Even in summer you can sail later in the day. The "normal" wind dies in the summer but late afternoon onshore breeze of about 5-8 knots is available each day. And you have the fun of dodging the thunderstorms. The temp. is hot and muggy on land but much better on the water. In saying this, however, we try very hard to get out of Florida in the summer.

As far as draft, anything over 5' is too much, 4' is much better. Everyone leaves the boat in the water and cleans the bottom monthly.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
We have a boat in that area and if I was going to look for a permanent home there it would be in the Punta Gorda/Port Charlotte area instead of the Cape Coral area. The reason is that the former are on Charlotte Harbor a large bay with deep water for the most part. You can go out and day sail or head down and out into the Gulf.



Most of Cape Coral is on the Caloosahatchee River which is much more confined than Charlotte Harbor for sailing and to get out into the Gulf you have to traverse the Miserable Mile and all the traffic though that area. Now if you are thinking of a place on the far north of Cape Coral that fronts the Charlotte Harbor then that would be different.

We have only stayed through July and the heat/humidity are not to our liking, but Florida like most places has some time during the year where you probably won't want to be outside. Most places it is the winter, Florida it is mid to late summer. I've spent time in the NW and there it is the rainy winters. If you want to sail and don't want to experience the rain of the NW or the winter cold of the rest of the country I don't think you can find a place with the number of sailing opportunities/destinations that Florida has to offer.

We found the west coast of FL to be much like the mid-west in general atmosphere such as people that are retired there, stores, the way the general atmosphere is. We are comfortable there. Won't ever move there but if I was a dedicated sailor and wanted to live in a warm climate year around the area around Charlotte Harbor would be at the top of the list,

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I forgot to add that with your depth finding a home with a canal deep enough might be a real challenge but of course we have no idea of your financial situation. One option that many use is renting a dock in front of someone's home that is in deep water close to the bay. That can work well. As was mentioned you would be a lot happier down there in general with a boat with a draft under 5 feet, but there are boats down there that are more. Most of Charlotte Harbor would not be a problem for you if you can find a place to keep the boat where you can get in and out. If you don't have charts of the area now download the free NOAA ones and look at them with SeaClear or Open CPN (both free) and you will have a better idea of bottom depths there,

Sum

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Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
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I live and sail in Punta Gorda after living all of my life in the St Louis area. It never gets hotter than about 95 but the humudity is usually very high. But it is still more comfortable than the midwest at 100 plus degrees for days in a row. Also believe it or not everything is air conditioned! We sail in the summer and it is warm but we almost always have a breeze.

Sumner is right about the depth issue. Look at a chart of the area around the Caloosahatchee. The sailing seems more confined to me. Charlotte harbor you can sail in most any direction without (much) fear of running aground. 4 foot draft is optimal around here. Winter tides are very low and even though the real estate guys wiil say no problem getting in and out of a canal, they lie.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Sumner gives what I consider a good synopsis of the area. I winter in that area.
 

Luzern

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Nov 9, 2013
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Cape Coral Sailing

We have just done what you are anticipating (but from high desert of Oregon- very limited sailing opportunities there!). We looked at both Punta Gorda and the general Cape Coral/ Ft Myers area. We decided on CC for several reasons but primarily it seemed like there was more to do (other than sailing) and better/ more convenient flight connections.

If those don't matter for you, then definitely consider Punta Gorda as the sailing area is more convenient. In general, the homes will be a little bit less expensive in PG.

For Cape Coral I would look harder in the SW region (that's where I live). We looked all over before deciding and the reasons we decide that part is multifold. First you can shave maybe as much as one hour off the transit time to more open water. Definitely look at the charts. A lot of the water you see in the river is so shallow you can walk most of it with your head out of the water. Homes off the river will be a bit less expensive than the lower part of CC partly for this reason. You might consider the NW part (north of Pine Island Road) of CC which will take you to Charlotte/ Punta Gorda sailing territory. There is a lot of skinny water between the Pine Island Bridge/ Matlacha canal that leads to those homes and up to sailing territory. We were told that during the low water time (Feb ) it is very shallow (barely 4 ft) going over the oyster bars to get out to the channel. I have seen sailboats (few and far between, though) behind homes in NW section. Other things to consider about the NW is that most are on wells/ septic systems and the city will eventually force you to hook up to water/sewer system that will be extended to that area. You can count on that costing you over $20K, so factor it into any offer you may make. Also the city/ county whats to increase the size of burnt store rd to up to 6 lanes. Some properties on Burnt Store road are involved in imminent domain fights mostly on the value the gov wants to pay for the property. That's a very real issue as being on the West side of Burnt Store road would offer some of the most convenient sailboat locations, but ultimately the gov will win. They'll have to pay more, so it may take longer.

For the SE/ SW area (called the Yacht Club area) it is getting very difficult to find Sailboat access for under $400K (and that property will likely need 50-100k in remodeling.) The very eastern -southern bottom part of CC is the original section of town. You can find a lot of modest small homes in this region along with newer properties that were rebuilds after tearing down the original homes. A given street can have quite a mix of homes. Most of the canals are 80 ft wide. One option to mention is that there are publicly available slips at the "Yacht Club". I think for city residents the rates are reasonable (under $10/ ft/ month) but double check as the rates may have changed.

In the most southern and westward section of CC you can find homes, some on 200' wide canals. There is a lock at Cape Harbor that you may need to factor into transit time. Homes in this area tend to be newer by say 20 years than the Yacht Club area.

If you need a recommendation on a truly excellent realtor, I can provide you a reference.
 

Paul F

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Jun 3, 2004
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Hunter 1980 - 33 Bradenton
If you are buying a home on the water here in Florida, check the insurance rates twice. The law changed this year and rates have gone up substantially. Friends in Gulfport with an older one story home have had a dramatic increase this year.
 

Stroh

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Nov 12, 2009
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Laguna 22 1987 Burnt Store Isles
Since I (we) just did what you are contemplating I’m going to throw in my 2 cents worth. After “researching” the area from Venice (where my mother lives) to the south end of Pine Island (where my grandfather lived), for about 15 years, we retired from central Ohio to Burnt Store isles, in Punta Gorda, this year.


Over those years we made trips to the area as often as possible and after looking at many, many locations decided on a couple of neighborhoods that we liked. My main goal was to be on sailboat access water and my wife wanted a pool, other than that we kept our requirements reasonable for our budget. We then hooked up with a buyer’s agent here a couple of years ago and began the process of elimination, as everything was a bit of a compromise. We ultimately found a home that had been purchased, redone and rented, at least seasonally, that the owners (who also lived in the neighborhood) decided to sell. Even though the timing was not perfect, everything else was as good as we felt it would get and we were fortunate enough to be able to buy it. Since we had about a year before we could retire, we contracted with the same real estate company the previous owner had and rented it over the winter of 2012/2013, which really helped with the expense of owning two homes.
The main compromise (boating-wise) for our home’s location is that it takes about 45 minutes to travel through the canals and Alligator creek to get into Charlotte harbor. I am between sailboats as I sold the one I had in Ohio before moving and have purchased a “fishing” boat to explore and get the “lay-of-the-land” while researching for my next sailboat. We live on a nice wide canal and one of the neighbors has a Hunter (see picture) that I think is about a 40 footer and I know he has to time his transitions to Charlotte harbor with the tides. The depth of these canals I found is about 7-12 feet in most places in our area. There is a pinch point getting to the north fork of Alligator Creek, which used to be a lock but is no longer and a project is in the works to widen it from approximately 17 feet to 21 feet which will make it much easier to transition for the larger “beamier” boats.


Personally familiarizing yourself with the area is the only real way to answer questions to your satisfaction. As was mentioned above, don’t just take someone’s word for it that the home has “sailboat access”. A lot of the neighborhoods here have associations and boating clubs with newsletters that you can access from the web and will help you in getting the whole picture but seeing first hand is best. In our area, it looks to me like about 99.9 % of power boaters keep their boats on a lift and about 50 % of sail boaters do. Also, in “the neighborhood” there are two Beneteau 331’s and a 370 (see picture) that are on lifts. My preference is to not leave the boat in the water all year, hence I’m having a lift installed. Yes, it is hot and humid in the summer but with AC, the pool and being on the water (usually a breeze), I gladly take the sunshine almost every day and very moderate temperatures throughout winter (check the current temperature map of US) for a few really hot months, especially, after those mid-western winter months I suffered through.


Good luck with your search, coincidentally, I have a daughter that lives down the road from you in Tumwater. PM me if you want for further information. Now, if I could just hook up with one of the sail boaters here that needs a crew sometime until my next ship comes in …. J
 

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Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Greetings all! I am getting close to retirement and thinking of relocating (at least for the winter) to Cape Coral FL. I noticed a number of you are from Florida so I thought I would ask for your thoughts. I've visited the Cape on several occasions in the winter. I've been looking for canal front homes either to rent or buy. The summer I understand can be unbearably hot, especially for a Washingtonian. The question I have is…are the canals deep enough for a Catalina 34 with a 5'6" draft? I know only some homes have "sailboat access" to the gulf. Do you lift the boat out of the water or leave in all year? Any other pointers would be appreciated.
Look north of Cape Coral at Burnt Store Marina. Great access for 5' 6" draft. Well sheltered harbor. Condos and town houses, no local shopping. Punta Gorda post office even though it is in Lee county.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
also you should evaluate the seawalls from the house you want to the main channel.

IIRC, when seawalls collapse, its the owners responsibility to repair it. (and the dredging of the canal that silted up)

big $ problem up the new river in FLL for some plantation (town) owners.

st james city on pine island would be worth a look. but its a long drive to anywhere on pine island. (and watch your speed).
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
FWIW city of Punta Gorda maintains sea walls in Punta Gorda isles and Burnt store Isles. Not in Burnt store Marina
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
also you should evaluate the seawalls from the house you want to the main channel.

IIRC, when seawalls collapse, its the owners responsibility to repair it. (and the dredging of the canal that silted up)

big $ problem up the new river in FLL for some plantation (town) owners.

st james city on pine island would be worth a look. but its a long drive to anywhere on pine island. (and watch your speed).
Some of the decissions on where and what you buy depend on obviously your financial situation. What Bill posted above along with the high cost of insurance for waterfront property (huricanne related) is one more reason why we would live slightly inland and look for someone's dock to rent. I've know of at least two people who have done that and secured dock space for their boat for way less than a marina and way less than buying and maitaining the dock and home where they have their boat.

If money was no problem then we would be right on the water with one of those lifts (I've seen large power boats on them and smaller sailboats but never one as large as in the picture that was posted).

Some of the people who have boats in the yard we use winter in slips at Burnt Store. I thought for a mid 30's length boat they were paying $600-$700 a month. Anyone know what the rates there are? It is probably less per month on a yearly rate. It is a nice marina. Another that might be of interest to people just looking for winter slips and probably less than Burnt Store Marina is Gasparilla Marina...

http://www.gasparillamarina.com/

...positives is that it is close to going outside at Boca Grande pass and not far from Cayo Costa. Negatives is that it is heavily used by power boats going fishing at Boca Grande pass and further from larger shopping centers,

Choices, choices ;),

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Aug 2, 2005
1,155
Pearson 33-2 & Typhoon 18 Seneca Lake
Hello Mark (and all of you who have responded),

How does that old saying go........There is lots of water here, but it's spread pretty thin!

Reasonably easy access to sailing water would be a prime consideration for boaters in SW Florida. I like the suggestions that remind us of the higher continuing costs of living "on the water". Taxes and Insurance (Homeowners and Flood) are the big ones.

If you do not live in SW Florida year round hauling the boat out for the summer is a choice. There are some fine haul out facilities in upper Charlotte Harbor, and there was one up the Caloosahatchee River, although "fine" was not how I would describe it. In all of those places the owner can work on the boat himself/herself. That is often not the case in marinas where you might rent a slip.

RE: canal depth......We keep our boat at Bokeelia on the end of Pine Island. The canals are OK for 5 foot depth at most times, but the channel out to Charlotte Harbor is not OK for that depth. In searching for a place to buy or a place to rent a slip you might be well advised to rent a powerboat with a depth sounder and visit your choices at different tide and wind conditions.

Phil
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Bokeelia is a neat spot, but as 31Seahorse indicated the Oyster bars are a limiting factor getting out.

Also, I'm not sure if Boca grande is an all weather cut, like the one south near st james city (lots of current in narrow pass). but charlotte harbor is big enough to sail about all day.

Oyster bars have a tendency to grow, and move about.


+ don't ask about mosquitoes in the summer on the west coast....
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
.I'm not sure if Boca grande is an all weather cut...


It is deep and large. Actually at the lower tip of Boca Grande there was a loading facility for ocean going boats just inside the pass. A railroad ended there that was used to haul phosphate to be shipped out and in 1969 the port was the 4th busiest in Florida. Since the railroad was there, built in 1905-07, the area became popular with the 'rich folk' from up north as it gave them a means to get to the area fairly easily....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boca_Grande,_Florida

.... so many large homes were built there. The phosphate shipments out of there finally dried up and the railroad tracks were removed but you can still see the roadbed from El Jobean on the north end of Charlotte Harbor on down, right past our boat yard.

The big problem at times using the pass is that the pass is one of the premier Tarpon fishing spots in the world and that...



... means lots of fishing boats to thread through at times. Interesting area,

Sum

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May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
yep, its tarpon central. no doubt. Current runs around 3 knts maybe more...
(which is probably why the tarpon hang there... waiting for little fish to be swept out on the tide)


And 90% of the time, no problem, but in the winter with a WNW wind (approaching front) and outgoing tide it might be 'exciting' to try and run that cut...

in that case, I would head further south and enter near ft myers, / sanibel. (san carlos bay)
 
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Sumner

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.... in the winter with a WNW wind (approaching front) and outgoing tide it might be 'exciting' to try and run that cut...

in that case, I would head further south and enter near ft myers, / sanibel. (san carlos bay)
Yep, I bet most sailboats do stay inside going either north or south. We did going south and also coming from Ft. Myers Beach back north,

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Feb 21, 2008
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Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
We stay out of Boca. Too much current and if going north it takes you way south before you can turn north unless you have local knowledge of the swash channel. We exit at redfish pass or into Estero bay going south. Going north we use stump pass if dredged, or Venice inlet to get outside.
 
Aug 8, 2006
340
Catalina 34 Naples FL
I sail a Catalina 34 out of Naples and often go North to Charlotte Harbor area. I have the wing keel and no difficulty in getting around this area or down in the keys. most sailors in SW fla try to keep the draft under5 feet. so unless you already have the fin keel it would be my advice to,keep the draft under 5. I know most canals only dredge to 5 feet in this area.
 
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