With the darkness and water temp, this could have been bad. (Also, I couldn't imagine having 17 people on my C-27, and this was a 23-foot boat). Nick "Julia Bell" UNION-TRIBUNE February 21, 2002 A 23-foot sailboat capsized and sank in San Diego Bay yesterday, giving the 17 passengers a cold soaking but no injuries, authorities said. The owner of the Dog Meat was taking friends out on their weekly bay cruise when a wind gust tipped the boat, said Harbor Police Senior Officer Adam Miles. Miles said the boaters were unable to right the craft, and it filled with water about 9 p.m. They were in the water about five minutes before a 72-foot luxury "mega-yacht" came by to fish them out. The crew of the Sea Mist dropped off the Dog Meat's passengers at the Bali Ha'i restaurant dock on Shelter Island. Paramedics examined the 17 men and women before Harbor Police gave them a lift by van back to the San Diego Yacht Club, where the boat is based. The sailboat sank about midway between Shelter Island and North Island, Miles said. He said it could be raised relatively undamaged.
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Wonder if boat carries 17 life preservers? 9pm these people were lucky to be picked up so quickly As I recall, that area has significant non sail traffic
Wonder if boat carries 17 life preservers? 9pm these people were lucky to be picked up so quickly As I recall, that area has significant non sail traffic
I'm amazed!
First that no one was hurt (or worse) and second that someone would put seventeen people on a 23 foot boat! ! !Maybe the owner(I can't call him/her a Captain)of the "Dog Meat" should reconsider and name his next boat "Shark Bait"
First that no one was hurt (or worse) and second that someone would put seventeen people on a 23 foot boat! ! !Maybe the owner(I can't call him/her a Captain)of the "Dog Meat" should reconsider and name his next boat "Shark Bait"
Sunken Boat...
I was out there yesterday and saw Vessel Assist and a diver checking it out. It's actually fairly close to North Island, opposite the Shelter Island boat launch. Not quite in the marked channel for large ships but right where lots of smaller boats go. I'm glad everyone is fine but I can't imagine what they were thinking putting 17 people on a 23 foot boat!
I was out there yesterday and saw Vessel Assist and a diver checking it out. It's actually fairly close to North Island, opposite the Shelter Island boat launch. Not quite in the marked channel for large ships but right where lots of smaller boats go. I'm glad everyone is fine but I can't imagine what they were thinking putting 17 people on a 23 foot boat!
Not that it makes any difference but.........
does anyone know what brand of boat this was! Stupidity is brand independent!
does anyone know what brand of boat this was! Stupidity is brand independent!
The best corrective action is to leave the boat
at the bottom of the bay. Shouldn't the skipper accompany the boat on this journey? A truly corrective action. Ray S/V Speedy
at the bottom of the bay. Shouldn't the skipper accompany the boat on this journey? A truly corrective action. Ray S/V Speedy
Righting moment
OK all your naval engineers out there- 17 people at average 125 lbs each is 2125 lbs, plus gear. Given the displacement of a Tanzer 23 (which I did not go look up) what weas the freeboard on that boat? Inch and half? What was the righting moment, 5 degrees? If they could have gotten all 17 on the high side at once, they might have been able to counteract a fifty knot gust, but when the gust dropped, what happened then? Capsize to windward? I wish we had a pictue of 17 people abpoard that boat- my imagination fails me. Or better yet, video of the capsize. Talk about your funniest videos! Of course everyone is correct that this is amusing, but damn dangerous.
OK all your naval engineers out there- 17 people at average 125 lbs each is 2125 lbs, plus gear. Given the displacement of a Tanzer 23 (which I did not go look up) what weas the freeboard on that boat? Inch and half? What was the righting moment, 5 degrees? If they could have gotten all 17 on the high side at once, they might have been able to counteract a fifty knot gust, but when the gust dropped, what happened then? Capsize to windward? I wish we had a pictue of 17 people abpoard that boat- my imagination fails me. Or better yet, video of the capsize. Talk about your funniest videos! Of course everyone is correct that this is amusing, but damn dangerous.
A great defense
Sounds good to me Sam. If I ever do something stupid enough to warrant "reckless endangerment" charges, I'll use the "just being a great American" defense. And by the way, standing on a chair to get something off the top shelf may be stupid, but when was the last time you really did that with 16 friends. You need to find a better example. Dan Jonas (S/V Feije)
Sounds good to me Sam. If I ever do something stupid enough to warrant "reckless endangerment" charges, I'll use the "just being a great American" defense. And by the way, standing on a chair to get something off the top shelf may be stupid, but when was the last time you really did that with 16 friends. You need to find a better example. Dan Jonas (S/V Feije)
Wondering why....
Nick picked the Head Mistress (sanitation) forum for this topic? Maybe because everyone aboard was heard screaming, "Oh $!***!!!!" when the boat went over???
Nick picked the Head Mistress (sanitation) forum for this topic? Maybe because everyone aboard was heard screaming, "Oh $!***!!!!" when the boat went over???
Just when I thought I'd heard everything...
Boat owners have been socked with "cleanup" charges, and even hefty fines for fuel spills caused by a sinking--some insurance policies now even include coverage for it...but as far as I know there are no regulations pertaining to accidental sewage spills due to sinking. Btw...whether designated "no discharge" or not, ALL US waters are de facto "no discharge" for any boat not equipped with a CG certified Type I or II MSD (treatment device). So for a boat equipped only with a portapotty or a holding tank , it wouldn't matter whether San Diego Bay has been designated "no discharge" or not, it is as far as he's concerned. And Nick...I guessed as much, just couldn't resist.
Boat owners have been socked with "cleanup" charges, and even hefty fines for fuel spills caused by a sinking--some insurance policies now even include coverage for it...but as far as I know there are no regulations pertaining to accidental sewage spills due to sinking. Btw...whether designated "no discharge" or not, ALL US waters are de facto "no discharge" for any boat not equipped with a CG certified Type I or II MSD (treatment device). So for a boat equipped only with a portapotty or a holding tank , it wouldn't matter whether San Diego Bay has been designated "no discharge" or not, it is as far as he's concerned. And Nick...I guessed as much, just couldn't resist.
I agree with Sam. Its doesn't state whether these
people were all adults, but from what I read, I take it they were. Nobody forced these people on that boat, if they want to do something silly and foolish its their right. JUST AS LONG as they don't cause harm to anyone else AND they are TOTALLY responsible for any harm they might cause on the environment and property around them. In this case it sounds like they were. There are alot of foolish risk taking sailing going on, just to try something and say they could do it. Just look at the sailor (sailing team) that took that 100 foot Catamaran over 40 knots !!!! He had that boat 20 to 30 feet out of the water!!!....Its so extreem they have to wear Crash helmets!!......So I say "God Bless Them all"!!.....
people were all adults, but from what I read, I take it they were. Nobody forced these people on that boat, if they want to do something silly and foolish its their right. JUST AS LONG as they don't cause harm to anyone else AND they are TOTALLY responsible for any harm they might cause on the environment and property around them. In this case it sounds like they were. There are alot of foolish risk taking sailing going on, just to try something and say they could do it. Just look at the sailor (sailing team) that took that 100 foot Catamaran over 40 knots !!!! He had that boat 20 to 30 feet out of the water!!!....Its so extreem they have to wear Crash helmets!!......So I say "God Bless Them all"!!.....
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