Sailboat weight

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Jul 16, 2006
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-Catalina C310 RNSYS
light displacement

I hope this doesn't get too complicated. Based on my experience loading ships, displacement when it is referred to in ship's documentation is usually lightwight (sometimes called lightship), i.e. the weight of the hull, tackle, machinery and fixed equipment only. Displacement is the weight of the water displaced by the vessel when it is floating. It is equal to the total weight of everything onboard. The difference between lightweight displacement and loaded displacement is known as deadweight. Deadweight is the weight of variable loads. For large ships the designers will publish an approved stability book which has all the stability data in it including 'displacement curves' which will give data for various loading conditions, e.g. tonnes per centimeter immersion (TPC). TPC tells you how much weight you can load to change your draft one centimeter. The vessel I am on now will sink approx. one centimeter if I add 7.8 tonnes on deck. TPC will change varying with the shape of the waterplane area at the waterline. Thus it changes with displacement. The stab book gives a lot of other data which I won't go in to. This is all way to complicated for pleasure boating! I rather believe that the design waterline in a production sailboat is likely similar to a plimsoll line on a cargo vessel. If this is true (and I am not sure whether it is or not), the sailboat shouldn't be loaded so that this line is submerged to maintain an adequate margin of reserve buoyancy (safety). I would contact the manufacturer and get their take on the figures. No doubt they could tell you. Interestingly enough, although the weight displaced would be the same, the volumes displaced will differ between fresh and salt water. Is the design waterline for fresh or salt? Interesting topic for Sunday afternoon. Regards Chris
 
Jan 26, 2007
308
Norsea 27 Cleveland
TonyB

Also on the truck were six jackstands (or boat stands if you prefer) and wood, frame and canvas for a winter cover. As far as tankage, no water but 20-30 gallons diesel. It all adds up and the driver may have rounded his calculation when he told me. Still, the question remains, at some point in its life that boat weighed 15,500 and would displace exactly that much if put in the water. I am guessing you are correct that it would not be on its water line at that point. My question is what goes on the boat after that 15,500? For example, is the ballast weight figured into the displacement number? The T37 carries 7500 pounds of ballast and would put me over 22,000 on the truck, so I'm guessing that it is included already. Engine weight? Probably not in the 15,500 figure. Chris and Stillraining are on the same track as I am, I just don't know specifically what gear is included for a particular boat when displacement is measured.
 
Sep 24, 1999
1,511
Hunter H46LE Sausalito
yes

Ballast weight is figured into the listed displacement, and most manufacturers will list a second displacement for deep keels as opposed to shoal-draft keels. Conversely, only the drive train for which the boat was designed will figure into the listed displacement. Should you upgrade to a more powerful engine, the increase in weight will not change the official displacement. They don't weigh these boats, folks, at least not the production boats. They just do the calculus, and the "displacement" is posted long before hull #1 ever hits the water.
 
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Scott

Chris is saying basically the same thing ...

as I was saying, except his technical language is far more accurate ... I never new what a plimsoll line was! Thanks for that, Chris! :) But nobody has addressed just what exactly is the displacement weight of a production sailboat. Is it the actual weight of the bare bones boat with spars, rigging and engine or does the displacement weight consider the addition of a theoretical weight of "goods" that the owner loads into the boat, along with crew. I'm guessing that it varies even among manufacturers. For instance, when I was shopping for boats with 27' length, there was a considerable difference in the stated displacement of similar sized boats between about 5,000 pounds to 7,500 pounds. Granted, boats with a shoal keel typically have more lead in the bulb than the deep keel versions. But the difference in the keels for these boats was only about 300 pounds. So I wouldn't be surprised if the differences in displacement were mainly differences in what constitutes the theoretical additional load (above the actual weight of the boat). BTW, Phil, it doesn't make any sense that the load on the tractor trailer should be 6,500 pounds more than your displacement weight. A water soaked hull couldn't add more than a hundred pounds at most. Something is definitely screwy about that scenerio, and I would suspect that the trucker is way off. He must have had a lot more than just his thumb on the scale! ;)
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Generally,

the displacement figures are calculated to be at the waterline with all of the normal equipment and empty tanks. When you add weight such as tankage and humans, the boat sinks a little bit because of the additional weight and the amount of sinking will be additional displacement equal to the added weight. The only way to get an exact figure on the displacement would be to make a female mold of the entire boat and fill it with water to the waterline and then weigh the water. The displacement weight should normally be close to the actual weight with the operative word being 'normally'. Im not sure of the quality control these days, but in the past, there was not that much QC. This leads to varying thicknesses from hull to hull with resulting weight differences but still using the same calculated displacement. Back in the late 1970's, the Marine Island Traders were made in Asia. The same exact models were weighing from 18,000 to 26,000 lbs on the scales. That is an enormous difference in actual weight for the same model boat. Tony B
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Scott

" boats with 27' length, there was a considerable difference in the stated displacement of similar sized boats between about 5,000 pounds to 7,500 pounds" This is because displacement is a function of hull shape or volume in addition to weight. Tony B
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
There should be approximately equal parts resin and glass

in the hull comstruction. If the first hull finished was found to be inadequate the next ones may have gotten an increase in the laminate schedule. Woven roving that I used is 24 ounces per square yard and the CSM was 2 ounces per square foot ot 18 ounces per yard. That is about 5 pounds per square yard when laid up with resin. It wouldn't take long to add 1000 pounds to the weight of the hull.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Good point, Ross

Most people that have not done any extensive fiberglass work have no idea how heavy this stuff really is. Tony B
 
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John McLaughlin

Allied 1970 39'

“SOUTHERLY” We are looking for funding/donations to save an Allied 1970 39' sloop. (Only one of 10) Original owner is sick with cancer and his boat is on the hard. This is an American classic and we need $13.000 to save this boat from the marina take over. This boats value is at least 4-5 times this price. It is in good condition, just needs TLC. We will be doing charity work with children after we over-haul it. Anyone interested in donating to this cause, please contact us. Help Save The Sick Sailors Sailboat!! The Spirit of this beautiful boat must live on. Acting quickly is important! Anyone donating will be given a pass for a ride on "Southerly" at a time of their choosing. Location Southern New Jersey. Thank You John & Diane mclaughlin.john@yahoo.com
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
John.....

I have 3 questions for you: 1). Are you asking us to save the sick sailor's sailboat for the sick sailor dieing from cancer or are you asking us to save this boat for you? 2). What type of charity work with children will require a sailboat? 3). Do you honestly believe that this belongs on this site? This is a sailing site not a charity site. Tony B
 
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