I heard a rumor at work today that a really nice sailboat had washed up on the beach south of Melbourne. Thanks to a persistent easterly wind, all kinds of things have been washing up recently, including a 30 ft humpback whale carcass and thousands of Portuguese men-of-war. I checked when I got home and it's true. Click on link below (there's video on the website). Ouch. Peter H23 "Raven"
Sailboat washes up on Florida beach
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where is the keel
did anyone notice that either the keel is buried in the sand or missing - i would guess it is buried but then again - and what was he not secured properly mean - was she at anchor or did they just run to close to shore to get out of the gulf stream and then lost it chuck and soulmates
did anyone notice that either the keel is buried in the sand or missing - i would guess it is buried but then again - and what was he not secured properly mean - was she at anchor or did they just run to close to shore to get out of the gulf stream and then lost it chuck and soulmates
that's something you don't see everyday.
From the picture showing the position of the dinghy, it would seem the boat somehow broke loose - or was set loose, with no one on board. This is not how I would expect to find an anchored boat - maybe, though, a boat hanging on a mooring. The owner may not even know his/her boat is gone. Pretty strange.
From the picture showing the position of the dinghy, it would seem the boat somehow broke loose - or was set loose, with no one on board. This is not how I would expect to find an anchored boat - maybe, though, a boat hanging on a mooring. The owner may not even know his/her boat is gone. Pretty strange.
A beach day.
Respectfully, from the position of the dinghy, it would seem there were people on board. Plus the article quotes the cops as saying as much. Regards, Big Joe.
Respectfully, from the position of the dinghy, it would seem there were people on board. Plus the article quotes the cops as saying as much. Regards, Big Joe.
check the entire video and it shows the ocean side
ross -- check the entire video and it shows the ocean side - my only guess is the keel is buried in sand or ?????? -- chuck and soulmates
ross -- check the entire video and it shows the ocean side - my only guess is the keel is buried in sand or ?????? -- chuck and soulmates
future of the boat
Will be determined by court because the salvage party and owner almost never agree on price. When a boat is salvaged, the salvaging party has the right to request any payment they wish for the boat and if not paid, they keep the boat. I've heard of payment ranging from 20% to 70% of the boat's value but wouldn't be surprised to see higher. This is why if you ever need a tow, make sure it is clearly stated that it is a tow and not a salvage. The salvage party always pulls that trump card "we risked our lives" which usually isn't true. In this case, I would guess that it will cost the owners about $50,000 to get their boat back and that doesn't cover repairing it. Just a guess though.
Will be determined by court because the salvage party and owner almost never agree on price. When a boat is salvaged, the salvaging party has the right to request any payment they wish for the boat and if not paid, they keep the boat. I've heard of payment ranging from 20% to 70% of the boat's value but wouldn't be surprised to see higher. This is why if you ever need a tow, make sure it is clearly stated that it is a tow and not a salvage. The salvage party always pulls that trump card "we risked our lives" which usually isn't true. In this case, I would guess that it will cost the owners about $50,000 to get their boat back and that doesn't cover repairing it. Just a guess though.
Big John
i did not realize there was an article as I did not look beyond the photo - even though I can read. Nor did I look at the photo closely enough and did not realize the boat was a center cockpit, so the dinghy looked like it was over the cockpit. I stand respectfully corrected and am humbled....again.
i did not realize there was an article as I did not look beyond the photo - even though I can read. Nor did I look at the photo closely enough and did not realize the boat was a center cockpit, so the dinghy looked like it was over the cockpit. I stand respectfully corrected and am humbled....again.
Use a reputable salvor and have insurance
Our quite old (1967) Tartan 27 chafed her single mooring pennant (never again-live and learn) in a 50 knot westerly blow in western LI Sound several years back. The pennant had dug through the teak toe rail and found a $.10 brass screw whose head was the undoing of the pennant. There is only a 3 mile or so fetch at this location near the East River and Throggs Neck Bridge but the waves caused by the wind were over 3 feet and current was involved. One of my co-owners was notified by our marina that our boat was loose and had went down and found her banging, nose first, into a private dock along the shoreline. I got a call around 2100 (9pm) from him urging me to come down and try to salvage her. It was fortunate that I was not in the mood or condition for driving. We contacted BoatUS, our insurer at the time and they contacted a salvage operator that they use in that area. There were around 10 other boats that had broken free of their moorings that night so we were not the only numbskulls. I guess the salvor was quite busy that night but he (they) eventually got to our boat as the winds subsided to around 30 kts. I suspect that he had heard that ours was a 1967 sailboat and was his least priority as there were more expensive (read newer) boats out there that were easier to grab. The salvor towed our boat to a marina at City Island and left it there. We inspected the boat the next morning in the marina. It was the one with the shredded genoa hanging on slightly bent Harken furling extrusions. The Atomic 4 still worked fine and the main was unharmed. We motor sailed it away otherwise we had to pay the marina for the slip by the day. BoatUS totalled the boat but we bought it back and I fixed up the minor damage to the fiberglass and bought a new RF mechanism (still like the Harken though). The difference here in what Franklin is talking about may be that we (the owners) contacted the insurance company who contacted the salvor. If a salvor finds a boat that is a danger to navigation or beached and there is no one else around I guess they can salvage it and hold it ransom for a large sum of money. On the other hand, the article said there were people on board and I sure hope that they had hull insurance (not just liability) as it became BoatUS's responsibility once we contacted them and they did not want to lose the boat entirely or be held liable for raising it from underwater if it sank and became an obstruction. I am not sure that liability coverage covers salvage in the same way replacement value does - I am no sea lawyer. I have no clue what the salvor charged BoatUS but I do konw that they totalled the policy with the damage estimate + salvor fee. Our boat value was low by average standards so with the RF nearly done in plus a new jib the asked us to buy it back from them for $800. On a related note, there is a 28' sailboat on the bottom in about 20 feet of water near Glen Cove, NY, Mosquito Creek that sunk at her mooring. Apparently some younger folks bought her and could not come up with the money to fix whatever problems came up. This boat has been there with its mast and shrouds sticking above water for over a year, maybe 2. The issue here was that the boat did not sink in the navigable channel and was still attached to its mooring. The owner of the boat is known by the mooring it is still attached to. The CG did not want to touch it as it is not a hazard to navigation in the channel. Similarly, the county and state seem to not care as it is not a hazard. They also knew who it belongs to and probably plan to garnish someones wages to pay for the removal of the sunken boat. Very sad stories all of these. Ours had a happy ending because we had insurance and no salvage operator held our boat ransom. I have heard this can happen though I am no sea lawyer.
Our quite old (1967) Tartan 27 chafed her single mooring pennant (never again-live and learn) in a 50 knot westerly blow in western LI Sound several years back. The pennant had dug through the teak toe rail and found a $.10 brass screw whose head was the undoing of the pennant. There is only a 3 mile or so fetch at this location near the East River and Throggs Neck Bridge but the waves caused by the wind were over 3 feet and current was involved. One of my co-owners was notified by our marina that our boat was loose and had went down and found her banging, nose first, into a private dock along the shoreline. I got a call around 2100 (9pm) from him urging me to come down and try to salvage her. It was fortunate that I was not in the mood or condition for driving. We contacted BoatUS, our insurer at the time and they contacted a salvage operator that they use in that area. There were around 10 other boats that had broken free of their moorings that night so we were not the only numbskulls. I guess the salvor was quite busy that night but he (they) eventually got to our boat as the winds subsided to around 30 kts. I suspect that he had heard that ours was a 1967 sailboat and was his least priority as there were more expensive (read newer) boats out there that were easier to grab. The salvor towed our boat to a marina at City Island and left it there. We inspected the boat the next morning in the marina. It was the one with the shredded genoa hanging on slightly bent Harken furling extrusions. The Atomic 4 still worked fine and the main was unharmed. We motor sailed it away otherwise we had to pay the marina for the slip by the day. BoatUS totalled the boat but we bought it back and I fixed up the minor damage to the fiberglass and bought a new RF mechanism (still like the Harken though). The difference here in what Franklin is talking about may be that we (the owners) contacted the insurance company who contacted the salvor. If a salvor finds a boat that is a danger to navigation or beached and there is no one else around I guess they can salvage it and hold it ransom for a large sum of money. On the other hand, the article said there were people on board and I sure hope that they had hull insurance (not just liability) as it became BoatUS's responsibility once we contacted them and they did not want to lose the boat entirely or be held liable for raising it from underwater if it sank and became an obstruction. I am not sure that liability coverage covers salvage in the same way replacement value does - I am no sea lawyer. I have no clue what the salvor charged BoatUS but I do konw that they totalled the policy with the damage estimate + salvor fee. Our boat value was low by average standards so with the RF nearly done in plus a new jib the asked us to buy it back from them for $800. On a related note, there is a 28' sailboat on the bottom in about 20 feet of water near Glen Cove, NY, Mosquito Creek that sunk at her mooring. Apparently some younger folks bought her and could not come up with the money to fix whatever problems came up. This boat has been there with its mast and shrouds sticking above water for over a year, maybe 2. The issue here was that the boat did not sink in the navigable channel and was still attached to its mooring. The owner of the boat is known by the mooring it is still attached to. The CG did not want to touch it as it is not a hazard to navigation in the channel. Similarly, the county and state seem to not care as it is not a hazard. They also knew who it belongs to and probably plan to garnish someones wages to pay for the removal of the sunken boat. Very sad stories all of these. Ours had a happy ending because we had insurance and no salvage operator held our boat ransom. I have heard this can happen though I am no sea lawyer.
I am so long winded I missed one crucial point
which is that if we had tried to salvage our own boat and it sank or ended up on shore our insurance would not have covered the cost of retrieval and removal. That would have been our cross to bear. On the other hand we probably could have done it as the engine and prop were still fine but we would have had to spend the next 24 hours or so on board with makeshift pennants in boisterous surf. Not my idea of fun.
which is that if we had tried to salvage our own boat and it sank or ended up on shore our insurance would not have covered the cost of retrieval and removal. That would have been our cross to bear. On the other hand we probably could have done it as the engine and prop were still fine but we would have had to spend the next 24 hours or so on board with makeshift pennants in boisterous surf. Not my idea of fun.
Probable outcome......
I met/knew a man that had to be rescued by the Coast Guard while having a heart attack while cruising in the midle of the gulf of mexico on his way to Mexico. I have posted the long story on here before, but this time I'll keep it short this time. He was air lifted, his boat was left drifting. Someone salvaged the boat. Wanted more then what the Ins. Co. considered reasonable and customary. Case went to trial, the greedy salvager spent more money on his atty than the court awarded him. BTW, he was not a professional salvage company, just a "good samaratan". Not sure but I think the man said that his Ins. Carrier told him that the 'salvager' was entitled to no more than 20% of the value of the boat. And Franklin, your statement "This is why if you ever need a tow, make sure it is clearly stated that it is a tow and not a salvage.", although you are 100% right in your thinking, that is not how it works. From my own experience on someone elses boat. On a Power boat, the motor quit in Mobile bay, rough weather and bad storm coming. Owner having a "discussion" with Tow Boat US boat in 6 ft seas. Tow Boat wants owners drivers license to 'hold'. There is almost never a tow. Its always a salvage. There is no choice. After relaying this story to others, it seems to be a common practice. I'm sure others on here will praise their towing service, but keep in mind, Mobile Bay is very treacherous, its not like a small lake. Anyway, there was a time when tow services didnt exist. That was back in the days when boaters helped eachother. Today, most are too busy, too much in a hurry to stop and help. If you disagree, the number of tow services all over the US will say you are wrong. Also, Franklin....I didnt forget the beer I promised you, I'm waiting for the weather to warm up a little before i grab a cold glass..
I met/knew a man that had to be rescued by the Coast Guard while having a heart attack while cruising in the midle of the gulf of mexico on his way to Mexico. I have posted the long story on here before, but this time I'll keep it short this time. He was air lifted, his boat was left drifting. Someone salvaged the boat. Wanted more then what the Ins. Co. considered reasonable and customary. Case went to trial, the greedy salvager spent more money on his atty than the court awarded him. BTW, he was not a professional salvage company, just a "good samaratan". Not sure but I think the man said that his Ins. Carrier told him that the 'salvager' was entitled to no more than 20% of the value of the boat. And Franklin, your statement "This is why if you ever need a tow, make sure it is clearly stated that it is a tow and not a salvage.", although you are 100% right in your thinking, that is not how it works. From my own experience on someone elses boat. On a Power boat, the motor quit in Mobile bay, rough weather and bad storm coming. Owner having a "discussion" with Tow Boat US boat in 6 ft seas. Tow Boat wants owners drivers license to 'hold'. There is almost never a tow. Its always a salvage. There is no choice. After relaying this story to others, it seems to be a common practice. I'm sure others on here will praise their towing service, but keep in mind, Mobile Bay is very treacherous, its not like a small lake. Anyway, there was a time when tow services didnt exist. That was back in the days when boaters helped eachother. Today, most are too busy, too much in a hurry to stop and help. If you disagree, the number of tow services all over the US will say you are wrong. Also, Franklin....I didnt forget the beer I promised you, I'm waiting for the weather to warm up a little before i grab a cold glass..
RAD - sunkin sailboat
I grew up in Sea Cliff and used to sail a daysailor there and curse all the bigger yachts. Now I own a bigger boat and when I saw that mast sticking up above the water I felt so bad. Times change, I've changed. I dont really know the whole story about that boat (type, former owner etc) I got some heresay from the launch operators at the SCYC and HHC. It has been there for years. On a related note, I now keep my T27 up at Nyack, NY on the Hudson and they have a "special mooring" area for their boats that sticks out into the river. Last summer someones boat went down in about 20' of water - same deal, mast and shrouds sticking up. Apparently a through hull failed. It was there for about a week. The difference may be that either the owner, the boat club, CG, state, county or somebody deemed it a hazard to navigation and was willing to spend the dollars to remove it. Another difference is that there is a lot of commercial traffic (read tugs and barges and larger vessels) that use the Hudson whereas the boat off Sea Cliff is not a hazard to any barge traffic, police vessel etc. I believe that the whole Hudson River is considered a major commercial transit route. You commute from Bay Shore to SC for work? Do you work near/on the water? It is a cool town for LI.
I grew up in Sea Cliff and used to sail a daysailor there and curse all the bigger yachts. Now I own a bigger boat and when I saw that mast sticking up above the water I felt so bad. Times change, I've changed. I dont really know the whole story about that boat (type, former owner etc) I got some heresay from the launch operators at the SCYC and HHC. It has been there for years. On a related note, I now keep my T27 up at Nyack, NY on the Hudson and they have a "special mooring" area for their boats that sticks out into the river. Last summer someones boat went down in about 20' of water - same deal, mast and shrouds sticking up. Apparently a through hull failed. It was there for about a week. The difference may be that either the owner, the boat club, CG, state, county or somebody deemed it a hazard to navigation and was willing to spend the dollars to remove it. Another difference is that there is a lot of commercial traffic (read tugs and barges and larger vessels) that use the Hudson whereas the boat off Sea Cliff is not a hazard to any barge traffic, police vessel etc. I believe that the whole Hudson River is considered a major commercial transit route. You commute from Bay Shore to SC for work? Do you work near/on the water? It is a cool town for LI.
What is to prevent an owner from contracting
A heavy lift moving company to bring a track mounted crane in, remove the mast, and lift the boat onto a large truck. Just as you would hire a contractor to move any land based object from one place to another.
A heavy lift moving company to bring a track mounted crane in, remove the mast, and lift the boat onto a large truck. Just as you would hire a contractor to move any land based object from one place to another.
Higgs
Higgs said: "I stand respectfully corrected and am humbled....again." I am with you Higgs, I was speaking to my brother John, yeah Big john as I responded to your post and managed to get my own name wrong. I stand with you, humbled ... again. Regards, big Joe
Higgs said: "I stand respectfully corrected and am humbled....again." I am with you Higgs, I was speaking to my brother John, yeah Big john as I responded to your post and managed to get my own name wrong. I stand with you, humbled ... again. Regards, big Joe
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