sailboat for 10 to 16 year olds

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walt

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Jun 1, 2007
3,536
Macgregor 26S Hobie TI Ridgway Colorado
Id like to get something fun to sail that my boys age 10 and 13 will enjoy for a few years sailing on thier own. However, they would be using this little sailboat on a mountain lake which can have high gusty winds and the water never gets very warm (ie, it can be on the dangerous side). They would be wearing wetsuits. I have a Hobie 14 that I sail when alone and they would have a blast with this boat until it flipped - which would certainly happen - and that might be the end of things. They have spent time in the little Pram from Vangard on a less gusty lake but they have really outgrown these. The older one spent some time in a Pico which he liked. So Im either thinkin of putting a reef in the Hobie 14 to de-power it a fair amount when the kids sailed it or maybe a sunfish or laser or something on these lines. What I really need is something which can handle a big wind range without reefing, ect and that if it is prone to capsizing, they could easilly upright (which they have done a bunch on the little Pram). Any opinions on the best small sailboat for this particular application?
 

Dave Groshong

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Jan 25, 2007
1,867
Catalina 22 Seattle
how big can you go?

A laser, sunfish etc.. are wet, wet boats, depending on how big you can go, a Catboat would probably be the driest, most stable and forgiving boat: http://www.beetlecat.org/history.html
 

nebo

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Oct 24, 2006
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Macgregor 22 Interstate 66
Ho, Ho, Hobie

I spent more time swimming around a Hobie than I did sailing on a Hobie. But the guys on the oil rigs and work boats would always stop and laugh...that makes you feel better.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
There's nothing ....

...better to learn sailing on than a Laser. And when you grow into it and REALLY learn how to sail there are plenty of racing fleets for all ages and all skill levels.
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,507
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Like Many Many Others Get a Sunfish

A Laser would be a great next step but way too much of a performance boat for beginners let them master the Sunfish first. A 420 may be in the future if there is a High School Sailing program in the area keep that in mind as well.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Cape Dory 10

Sunfish and Lasers are great to learn on but they will get dumped. I have a Cape Dory 10 which has a Gunter rig. The nice thing about a Gunter rig is that the top of the sail will twist in a gust autoimatically depowering the sail somewhat. It is also a great rower so they can get back to shore if the wind dies. Tim R.
 
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Jeff D.

Butterfly

I would think about a Butterfly. The sail is in a track with a halyard which means it can be reefed and the sail easily dropped if need be.
 
Oct 17, 2007
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- - Chesapeake/ Fairfax va
Flying Scott

Try a flying scott. Great open boat and roomy for 7 people. I believe there still alot of people who race them, so if your kids would want to get into racing later on. Its a boat I would not hesitate to take out either. It can handle strong winds, very forgiving.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Hobie 16 / prindle 16

only thing is they will need some water bags to right it when they flip, 300# needed... and its a wet boat. otherwise a 470 or laser 2. are you looking for a solo or 2+ man boat? Better yet, 2 lasers! or 2 somethings...
 
Jun 1, 2005
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Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
alcort

sunfish or sailfish... they will learn the basics of sailing. If it goes over... which it will... hop on the daggerboard... and away we go. When they get comfortable with that... on to the Hobie 14... then to the 16 or 18... and then they can sail anything... in any condition!
 
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popeye

Pennant

Go with something like a Catboat.10 to 12 feet,wide beam for stability.I have a Pennant 10. Very stable,a great starter.Shame you are so far away as i'm going to get rid of mine and get a soft(read,folding)dink.My boat is 25' and pennant is 10'.Nuff said.
 

OldCat

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Jul 26, 2005
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Catalina , Nacra 5.8, Laser, Hobie Hawk Wonmop, CO
Mountian Lakes

Frankly, I'd be very careful about allowing kids to sail a dinghy on, say, Dillon or Granby. Wetsuits are a good idea, but the weather is very unpredictable. If you do sail at Dillon, sail out of Frisco near the kayak docks. The bay is small and they will most likely be blown back to the marina if overpowered. Early morning sailing is more likely to work with light winds. I'd rather have them sail on flatland lakes, Cherry Creek for example. Union in Longmont is almost perfect for kids as it is a no-wake lake so minimal and slow PB'ers. Any 12-13' single sail craft will work well. A Laser is a great choice, the kids can start with the small radial rig, and move up to larger sails as they get bigger and more experience. OC
 
Jul 8, 2004
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S2 9.1 chelsea ny
ahhhhhhhhh.........think before making a choice

fist, what are your kids sailing abilites, as this makes a world of difference. Secondly, are you looking for a 2 person boat, 3 person boat, or a 1 person boat for each of them?? thirdly, are you looking at getting a boat for them to learn how to sail better or to screw around on ther lake with??? to screw around on, then anything goes. But if you want your kids to learn how to sail...... for a 10 year old, a Laser is alot of boat to sail, much less sail well. Take a look at the Bic Open (both kids would love that. Sporty, stats off with an Opti rig, but then can be upgraded to a fast marconi rig) Another boat that we use in the Youth Sail Programs is the Pixel (designed by Bruce Kirby, designer of the laser)
 

OldCat

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Jul 26, 2005
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Catalina , Nacra 5.8, Laser, Hobie Hawk Wonmop, CO
A Vote for a Laser

I'd like to put in a vote for a Laser. It is a very adaptable boat - three different sail plans are available. The 4.7 rig is for sailors 75-120 lbs. Then they move up to a Radial, or a full Laser rig. With a Sunfish, I think you are stuck with the one sail. I guess that I am just not much in love with the lateen rig of the Sunfish, either, though clearly it works. I just think the Laser is better for growing because of the three different sail plans. Anything will be a handful if the wind gets up - as it is wont to do on mountain lakes. Another choice is a Catalina Expo rig - they reef down by rolling around the mast. Best o' Luck, OC
 
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Scott

Laser would be my choice ...

Before you know it, your 10-yr old will be 20! Do you want to buy something that your boys are going to outgrow in 5 minutes? I used to sail Sunfish off the beach on Lake Michigan in Wilmette, Illinois long ago. They had a huge fleet and all the girls liked going out on them. It's a boat for teenage boys to play around with girls on. They were fun, but not for sailing (sorry, just my opinion :)). A laser is a boat to actually learn about sailing with (and the girls that like lasers would be more fun to sail with anyway). As far as your boy's ability is concerned, how long does it take for teenagers to actually master something like a laser - all of a couple of hours? Don't stunt their growth! When you look at resorts like Sunsail, who cater to sailors, they have lasers on the beach for sailors to sail. Other resorts have Sunfish for tourists who can't tell you the difference between a tiller and a rudder or couldn't even identify one or the other on the boat. OldCat has it right with the adaptibilty as they grow! I agree with the safety factor -- be sure they are wearing good wetsuits, the water in those reservoirs are frigid and any boat you are thinking of has the potential to capsize easily as you already know.
 
Feb 18, 2004
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Catalina 36mkII Kincardine - Lake Huron
Give the Mirror Dinghy a look

Our kids all learned in the Mirror Dinghy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_Dinghy I think the major pluses are that it carries a main, jib and spinaker so you can play with lots of different things. It is not overcanvased, however it will plane in good winds, They will upset, however they are easy to right - 12 year olds can do it. If you want to be competitive there are National and World Championships. There is a US class association at http://usmirrorsailing.com In Canada we have http://www.mirrorsailing.ca/ The downside is that it is made of marine plywood, so it is light but needs periodic maintenance - which I feel is a positive aspect when your kids are the age they are. You can buy them used or make them from a kit (fairly easily done). I do believe you can get fibreglass ones now as well.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
That was MY first boat

My dad and 5 buddies imported the first 6 into this country back in the early 70s. He and I built it and I learned to sail on it. I always knew they were big in the UK. I saw hundreds of them when I visited in '81. I did not know they had become so popular here though. My mom loved the orange sails as she could see where on the lake I was most of the time(except when I was hiding in some cove with my pirate wenches!) Another good point is that the Mirror has flotation tanks built into the boat which makes it very boyant and easy to right. Brings back great memories. I think it lasted about 25 years and then we had a rituisitic burning ceremony with many toasts to Neptune! Tim R.
 
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