Sail Problem

Sep 10, 2012
24
ODay Javelin rangeley, ME
Have a Javelin- can't get the mainsail all the way up- maybe a foot from the top - but the boom hangs down and touches the tiller- have to raise the boom over my head whenever I tack/ jibe

anyidea why the sail hands down so far-? don't know how old the sail it
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Bolt ropes can shrink. However, your problem seems to be that you can't get full hoist. You need to look into why that is first. Are there any obstructions in the mast slot? Bends in the slot? I once had a friend with a similar problem. His main was originally a bolt rope, and then someone added slugs. But there was no slug for the headboard, yet the bolt rope was cut below the headboard, implying that the headboard should be fitted in the slot. We ran the main up the mast when it was down on the ground, and determined that you couldn't easily do that, that it would bind near the top of the mast. So, he just knew not to feed the headboard in, just the slugs.

If you could get full hoist, and you still had a droopy boom but tight luff, then I'd think you had a shrunken bolt rope. Few people realize that once the main is hoisted all the way, you may still need to sweat the halyard to stretch the bolt rope and obtain good luff tension (which is then augmented by the Cunningham.)
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Most Odays of that era used a sliding gooseneck.
Unless the mast head sheaves are 'frozen' and unable to turn freely, your problem 'may' be how you set the sliding gooseneck before you raise the sail.
Here's how to raise the main with a sliding gooseneck to achieve maximum hoist of the mainsail.
1. unlock the gooseneck and slide it as far 'up' as you can before raising the mainsail.
2. Raise the main 'as far as it can go'.
3. Most of these boats had wire-to-rope halyards ... so there will be a several small 'balls' swaged onto the wire portion of the halyard .... the ball goes into its 'ball-cleat' --- you dont attach the 'rope portion' of the halyard to a horned cleat, etc. Two types of ball cleats --- one version requires that you simply slip the halyard ball into the 'ramp' of the ball cleat; the other version has 'sharks teeth' onto which you slip the loop of the swaged wire over one of the 'teeth'
Note - sometimes the ball cleat will be near the gooseneck on the mast, sometimes the ball cleat will be near 'the top' of the mast or 'well up' the mast .... all depends on who originally set up the boat when it was 'new' !!!!!!!!!
4. Once the mainsail is fully raised as far as it will go, loosen the 'pin' on the gooseneck fitting and (pull) slide down the gooseneck to the 'top of the black band on the mast' OR pull down on the sail/boom (stretching out the boltrope) by approximately 1-3/4" to 2" and lock the gooseneck. Some sliding gooseneck arrangements will have a 'downhaul' rope which attaches and is held fast to the mast via a horn cleat ... usually near the 'deck' to 'lock' the gooseneck.

In any set-up with a sliding gooseneck, the 'final' adjustment is always pulling down on the gooseneck to TENSION the boltrope on the mainsail. (That final tension is what holds the halyard in its ball cleat or sharks toothed cleat, etc.

Note - if the wire-to-rope halyard has been replace with 'all rope' .... consider to replace the 'rope' with high-tech LOW STRETCH rope such as "dyneema", etc. If the boat's mainsail halyard is set up with 'ball cleats' or 'sharks teeth' cleats on the mast ... best is to get a rigger to replace with a new wire-to-rope halyard with swaged-on balls on the WIRE - such old style wire-to-rope halyards dont last very long, but are unsurpassed in properly 'setting up' a boat's dacron mainsail luff tension with a sliding gooseneck.


Once the mainsail is in proper position (fully raised into its 'up' position), go to: http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=120970 see post#1 and read the directions on how to properly set the tension in the boltrope and to check its 'condition' - if it has become shrunken in its length dimension and needs to be corrected by a sailmaker. You can also DIY do minor correction to a boltrope to restore its proper length if you have a sailmakers 'palm', a stout sail needle, and waxed sailmakers twine, etc.
 

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Jul 22, 2017
6
Neptune 16 Caldwell, Idaho
Does anyone know where I could bet a gooseneck like the one in the picture above? I had to replace the boom and don't have the entire connection. I need the slide and wings that fit on the little box. Thanks
 

jwing

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Jun 5, 2014
503
ODay Mariner Guntersville
...can't get the mainsail all the way up- maybe a foot from the top...
I had that problem when I first took ownership of my boat. Being the cheap and lazy guy that I am, my first attempt at fixing the problem was to spray the sail slugs with a dry lube. After a few hoists and douses, I could easily get the sail all the way up. Never been a problem since. I spray the slugs once per year.