Rudder stock hex nut

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Nicholas Walsh

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Oct 30, 2019
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For some unaccountable reason my tiller has begun slipping on the rudder stock. I need to tighten the fitting that clamps to the stock and wonder if anyone knows the size Allen wrench called for - or at least if it is a metric or English fastener.Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
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winslowbuoy

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Jan 31, 2009
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The hex nut for the stock head is definitely a metric hex bolt and I would say 8mm although could be larger say 10mm definitely not smaller.

The tapered pin in the rudder head has probably sheared if you still have one. I've been pin free for several years now and rely on the pinchbolt.Mike
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From: Nico Walsh nwalsh@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 2:32:56 PM
Subject: [AlbinVega] Rudder stock hex nutFor some unaccountable reason my tiller has begun slipping on the rudder stock. I need to tighten the fitting that clamps to the stock and wonder if anyone knows the size Allen wrench called for - or at least if it is a metric or English fastener.

Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
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Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi Mike
I think that it is 10mm.

I keep an Allen key of the right size in a cockpit locker to encourage me
to regularly check that the rudder head has not rotated after sailing in
heavy weather.

John
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pjacobs55

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Oct 30, 2019
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The nut is 8mm hex.

Just came back from a short cruise and I definitely want to replace the shear pin. I have a replacement but wonder if anyone has advice on driving the old pin out. I have a punch and a 2 pound hammer. Problem is, seems to me the rudder head and stock have to be precisely aligned (just as if the pin were intact) in order to be able to driver out the broken pin. Right? Any tips??Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
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From: John A. Kinsella
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:34 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Rudder stock hex nutHi Mike
I think that it is 10mm.

I keep an Allen key of the right size in a cockpit locker to encourage me
to regularly check that the rudder head has not rotated after sailing in
heavy weather.

John
V1447 Breakaway

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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi,
is the reason that you "definitely want to replace the pin" that
the rudder head slipped in windy conditions?

Just curious,

thanks

John

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Nico Walsh wrote:
 
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pjacobs55

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Oct 30, 2019
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From what you describe, here is what I'd try:

If the pin is not sheared it should drive out OK, with the punch on the small end of the pin.

If this doesn't work, and the pin is sheared, loosen the allen-head pinch bolt on the rudder head, pry the jaws apart a bit to loosen it's grip on the rudder shaft, and wiggle it off the shaft, punching out the broken pin pieces afterwards.

Installing a pin takes the guesswork out of rudder/tiller alignment, if you're doing this while afloat. It also acts as a shear pin to prevent rudder/shaft separation when overly heavy opposing forces are put on the tiller/rudder assembly.

IMHO, the rudder head should be tightened well, but not over tightened. Allowing for the genius of the Vega's design, if the pin wasn't needed it wouldn't be there.

Hope this helps,
Peter
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pjacobs55

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Oct 30, 2019
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It slipped, despite my really torquing on the nut. It didn't make any real difference on our 4 day cruise. However, my real fear was that in some situation (emergency harbor maneuvering, maybe jibing in a seaway) the slipping would result in a bad day.

Plus: If the designer of the Vega, for whom after 9 years of Vega ownership I have the highest admiration, deemed that the rudder and tiller connection should involve a shear pin, who I am I to disagree?Nicholas H. Walsh P.A.
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From: John Kinsella
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:44 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Rudder stock hex nutHi,
is the reason that you "definitely want to replace the pin" that
the rudder head slipped in windy conditions?

Just curious,

thanks

John

V1447 Breakaway

Nico Walsh wrote:
 
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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi thanks for that.

My problem is that the broken pin is still there.

The post just now from Peter Jacobs gives me hope of removing it.

John V1447 Breakaway
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