rudder range

macwho

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Jul 24, 2015
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Catalina 30 TRBSWK Sandusky BPM
What is the correct or best range or travel from stop to stop in degrees. Mine has a range of 120 degrees which seem to be excessive as it can work as a brake. I plan to pad the stop wall to cut its range. I was thinking 90 degrees total or what I get with 1/2 turn of the wheel. Now I am getting 3/4 turn of the wheel each way. I thought I read someplace that 40-45 degrees each direction was average. Thanks' for any Info.
 
Apr 8, 2011
768
Hunter 40 Deale, MD
I've personally never heard of an "ideal range" for rudder travel. I'd tend to not want to further limit what the manufacturer put in place - even if I only used the extreme ranges occasionally or not at all. Like Justin_NSA was inferring, there may be times when you need the additional deflection (e.g. docking) and it would suck to not have it at your disposal. Kind of like asking "what's the ideal fuel range", and then replacing your tank with "excess" capacity to hold only that amount of fuel. What does it hurt having the extra capability, even if you only rarely or almost never need it for any given trip? Even your idea of using extreme rudder deflection as a brake is a valid reason to retain the capability - what if you had to dock or grab a mooring without power, would that come in handy in that rare circumstance if you misjudged your deceleration and needed extra help to slow down?

As a guy who works with data for a living, if you really wanted to answer this question you should gather data on YOUR needs, and use that as your answer. So start taking notes on how much rudder angle you input, and for what purpose, and under what conditions. Then when you have data for all purposes and conditions, you'll be able to see the range that you use, and make a data driven decision to change how your boat is set up.

In the end you get to choose how much rudder angle you use for steering the boat under varying circumstances, so you don't ever HAVE to use 120 degrees if conditions never call for it. But what if they did...would you have wanted to give up the option to use it by blocking it?
 
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Jul 6, 2013
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Catalina 30TR, Atomic 4 2480 Milwaukee
I find the full range of the rudder very helpful around the docks. We don‘t have much room for maneuvering, and being able to “turn on a dime” is a strength of the C30. It once saved me from crashing into a piling.
 

macwho

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Jul 24, 2015
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Catalina 30 TRBSWK Sandusky BPM
I was able to fully test my new rudder. The new profile responds faster and stronger. Still takes over 1 knot speed in reverse to have helm control, feels like close to 2 knots. will know more accurate next year with new knot meter. As for range I found that I am not stopping before the last chain link at the cable junction. Edison says to stop travel before you touch the covering at the chain-cable junction,so that is what I will do. It is nice to turn on a dime if needed. thanks for the info and ideas. The new profile was NACA 0012, and I kept the same outline but raised the bottom up 1.5" to try to protect it. It is still 4-5" below the wing keel.
 

SG

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Feb 11, 2017
1,670
J/Boat J/160 Annapolis
What is the correct or best range or travel from stop to stop in degrees. Mine has a range of 120 degrees which seem to be excessive as it can work as a brake. I plan to pad the stop wall to cut its range. I was thinking 90 degrees total or what I get with 1/2 turn of the wheel. Now I am getting 3/4 turn of the wheel each way. I thought I read someplace that 40-45 degrees each direction was average. Thanks' for any Info.
The general answer is that it varies by boat. Your Catalina 30 isn't too unusual.

I believe that the primary issue of a rudder stop is really to protect the rudder when backing to keep it from slamming if released. The criteria is for purposes of maneuverability is allow you to make the most extreme move (when tacking, usually, or avoiding a obstacle) without blocking even flow across the rudder so you make it "stall". Remember you need flow across the rudder FIRST before it becomes more than just a element of drag. After you have some flow, you have a certain range in which the flow is "attached" (more or less) to both sides of the rudder. As the angle increases from "neutral", aAs you increase the angle (in forward) and depending on hull, prop wash (if it's on), whether the rudder is a foil or just a "plate", etc. you will begin to experience less efficient control and actually slow the boat down.

In practice, when sailing in a properly trimmed fashion (AND NOT INTENDING TO TURN), you should not be test the stop.

I would guess, having said all this, the normal range for you Catalina 30 would be about 35-40 degrees to either side of amidships.