Rudder packing Gland failing

Aug 7, 2025
15
Yamaha 30-1 Vancouver Island
Hi Sailors.

I am looking for some advice form other Yamaha owners.

I have a Y30 there is significant play in my tiller. I feel a clank when i turn the rudder.
when looking down into the aft locker I saw that the packing gland moves with the rudder.
When i start a turn first the gland twists in place then the rudder stock follows once the gland gets enough fiction.

In my mind that is not how these things should work, but I am looking for some confirmation I also see the gland wrapped in a ton of fiberglass that looks like tape.

Wondering if this is factory or old owner trying to fix it in the water? anyone able to share some pictures of their assembly ?
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gouldx

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Nov 16, 2022
26
Yamaha 30 Scappoose
I don't have a gland like that on my '81 30-1. The fiberglass goes all the way up. This isn't a great picture, but it's best one I had on hand.

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Aug 7, 2025
15
Yamaha 30-1 Vancouver Island
Oh that is amazing I wish I had that, so your never leaks and you don't have to service the packing?
 
Aug 7, 2025
15
Yamaha 30-1 Vancouver Island
Hi folks, I figured Id do a write-up in case someone else runs into a similar problem.

From what I can tell, Yamaha had two design types for this setup: one with an exposed rudder tube (so a wheel pedestal could be added later), and one that was fully enclosed — like in the post above.


Access — The Biggest Challenge:

Access was by far the hardest part. My first attempt was through the propane locker by removing the insert, but that space was far too cramped. My boat has a water heater, Espar, and fridge compressor mounted on the starboard side, which didn’t help.

I tried removing the compressor to gain more room but that failed. (Still, I recommend pulling the insert out — the extra light and airflow helped a lot.)
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After posting on some forums, people suggested accessing it by removing the bulkhead on the port side of the quarter berth. After two days of trying, I couldn’t figure out how — my bulkhead appears to continue right through to the propane locker.

I did, however, remove the small access door, which gave me just enough space to wedge my shoulders in. Painful, but doable for 10–15 minutes at a time. And that’s when the real work began.


Removing the Packing Gland:

I started by removing the bolts holding the packing gland in place. Unfortunately, the previous repair (from my original post) made it impossible to get a wrench on, so I had to use pliers with tiny turns — painfully slow.

Once the bolts were out, I could remove the top plate of the packing gland. Unfortunately, this still didn’t give me the access I needed, so I had to drop the rudder. Thankfully, my boat was on the hard.
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Dropping the Rudder:

Dropping the rudder wasn’t hard but was tricky. My tiller mounting plate has two set screws and two compression bolts. The previous owner had covered them all with silicone, and brass oxidation didn’t help. It wasn’t until a friend suggested using a torch that the silicone bubbled and revealed the hidden bolts.

Once the plate was off, I had to dig a hole under the rudder (it’s quite long) to drop it fully. Once that was done, access was finally not a problem — and real progress could start.
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Discovering the Root Cause:

My initial plan was to tap the gland out from below, inspect it, and rebed if possible. But no matter what I tried, the lower part wouldn’t move vertically — only side to side.

After chatting with some folks at the yard, I learned that some designs have set screws glassed in to prevent movement — and that mine might have failed.

I started grinding to investigate and found that my suspicion was right: the fiberglass tape was just a poor patch by a previous owner. Once I began grinding, the entire thing came off in one piece. It looked like the gland had started moving, and they’d tried to fix it, but the wrap was over gelcoat and never bonded properly.
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The Real Design:

After more grinding, I found something interesting — Yamaha didn’t use set screws at all. Instead, the bronze gland has horizontal and vertical grooves cast into it. These grooves are filled with epoxy, which bonds the gland to the fiberglass and prevents movement.

In my case, the vertical grooves weren’t bonded, allowing side-to-side play, while the horizontal grooves were bonded tightly, preventing the gland from being tapped out.

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The Fix:

I hired a professional to re-glass the area properly — I wanted it done right and strong. After cleaning and scuffing the glass, they applied eight new layers of fiberglass and plenty of epoxy resin to fill the grooves and bond the gland securely.
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Ran out of pic space, will continue in a second post
 
Aug 7, 2025
15
Yamaha 30-1 Vancouver Island
The Real Leak Source:

When I dropped the rudder, I found a custom modification that explained the persistent water ingress.

The top fitting for the rudder post — the one passing through the hull — had been modified to fit an extra-long keyway. This keyway acted as a rudder stop, but it warped both the top and bottom plates since the rudder was offset. I’m not sure why this was done; from what I can tell, direct-drive tillers don’t need stoppers (those are mostly for wheel steering).
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I had new hardware machined to correct the issue, reassembled everything, and finally — no more leaks.
 

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Dec 27, 2020
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Yamaha 30 - Tall Rig Vancouver
Hello - I too had a rudder issue, and my style was the same as Gouldx, where there was a fibreglass tube inside that went up above the waterline. Thus, it didn't need a stuffing box like yours. The concept of the stuffing box style, I believe, was to expose the rudder shaft so a quadrant could be attached for wheel steering.

A couple of notes. For those with the extended shaft tube above the waterline, you might be interested in a write up I did a couple of years ago on how to do it. It turns on a white plastic bearing inside the fibreglass rudder tube. The bearing resembles in size and shape of a beer can, with top and bottom removed.

The other perhaps helpful note is that the rudder is supposed to be able to float, and as such, puts almost no sitting weight on the top bearing on the combing of the cockpit. It's clever. You can push your rudder down from the cockpit (about a 1/2") and it should float back up. I am impressed how well they are made and that mine and other Y30 owners still float today after 40 years. Really well made boats.
 
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