Rotten Egg Smell out Freshwater Faucet

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
If I am the "Some people" you are referring to, and I guess I am, because you quote me, I would like to know what opinion of mine I represented as fact. Trust me it is a fact that my water at home is chlorinated. It is also a fact that I don't drink it unfiltered. It is my opinion, and that's why I wrote "...may be.." that it isn't crazy to add chlorine to the water tank. You did endorse that as a maintaining regimen. I also wrote that plaques are a concern. Is that not a fact? I'm fairly certain you know a lot about the subject. That and other posters expertise in this area are why I chose my words pretty carefully. . I did not endorse the shock treatment described because I don't know what is effective. In fact I know it is a lot more complicated. I do have a casual knowledge of microbial plaques and I stand by my opinion that it is prudent to take steps to minimize, through a variety of measures, their proliferation. I'd rather hear your opinions based on your expertise than criticism of others posts.
I believe donald was referring to me. He has adopted the mantle of forum curmudgeon, and taken a special weird affection for me. It is of course safe, reasonable and most practical to chlorinate your tank with low concentration chlorine, most available as household bleach. You could also add iodine tablet, a convenient halogen sanitizer format. In addition, it is accepted health practice to chlorine shock small potable water systems as found on boats in order to control bacterial colonies. You could also open your water tank and physically scrub it, but for most boat owners this is impractical, and a regular shock treatment is the solution. This is true even if your tank is aluminum, with the caveat that the shock must be carefully applied, and flushed. The OP was afflicted by anaerobic bacteria and a chlorine treatment as described will undoubted eliminate or greatly improve his problem. Beyond that it is all about good water system O&M. Somehow donald locked on the chlorine treatment by-products, most of which generate by the over-use of chlorine, and bad water sources. These also happen to be present in most people's home drinking water depending on water source and their WTP. However his comment that GAC filtration (granular activated carbon) is ineffective in the removal of chlorine and other halogen treatment by-products is just flat wrong. There is plenty of water analysis data to prove this. It really is a non-issue outside his narrow concern. A boat owner can buy an off-the-shelf Seagull marine water filter, plumb it up, follow CDC recommended chlorine shock and maintenance treatments and go back to sailing, knowing that their boat drinking water is safe and tasty.
 
May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
Hydrogen sulfide gas= rotten eggs smell. Usually a condition that prevails in a water heater but can happen in any tank such as an accumulator when the system is not frequently used. The gas is produced by a heavy infestation of bacterial growth and sometimes it is difficult to correct. The affected tank should be filled with a chlorine solution and allowed to sit for 24 hours and then flushed with fresh water. In some cases it may be necessary to repeat the treating procedure 2 or 3 times.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,467
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
At this point I regret getting my nose out of joint and that post. My apologies.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
At this point I regret getting my nose out of joint and that post. My apologies.
I had to take him off of my Ignore list to see what he was up to. Rest assured his insults were directed at me. In his enthusiasm he managed to insult you too.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,335
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
At this point I regret getting my nose out of joint and that post. My apologies.
No need. Rather than direct my comments directly and appear insulting, it was intended only to clarify some misinformation. The personal insults as in the prior comment are in poor taste and doesn't belong here where most of us try to be constructive.
Hopefully, the good comments here have helped.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Two things cause the rotten egg stink from hot water heaters.

1. Loss of magnesium anode.
Most of the more expensive heaters have a pencil type magnesium anode and when this anode is 'used up' the walls of the heater become the anode and this 'new' electro chemical reaction will put the normal fouling which contains sulphur bearing bacteria into solution releasing the 'stink'.

2. If there is no removable anode present, then suspect two things:
A. that you have a problem with the ground line on your dockside AC supply - and someone elses boat connected to your boat through the dockside AC ground is (or was) using your magnesium heater anode as its primary anode. If this common ground-throughout-the-marina is the problem - A galvanic Isolator is indicated for YOUR AC ground line.
B. If the water supply is well water from a private source, such stink could simply be the result of improper water 'softening' at that source.

Note: reversing electrical polarity potential (of anodes, etc) is used to 'descale' industrial and commercial water handling equipment .... rotten egg smell is prolific during those 'reverse current times' .... investigate the need for a galvanic isolator (A good one can be obtained through Yandina.com)



How shock sanitize and maintenance dose a water tank / water heater:
Turn the heater off when shock sanitizing.
1. Standard municipal water system shock sanitizing is @ 10-15 parts per million free chlorine in the water .... using normal 5% concentration of grocery store Clorox this would equate to 40 fluid ounces. of Clorox per 100 gallons of water ( 4 oz. per each 10 gallons of tank/system capacity). Let soak in the system for 1-2 hours, then drain/rinse several times.

Aluminum is quite reactive to SodiumHypoChlorite Chlorine so Id suggest no more than approx. 20 oz. per 100 gallons and a MAXIMUM soak time of 20-30 minutes ..... but do this twice a year instead of the normal once per year shock sanitizing. You'll just be replacing that aluminum tank sooner than one with stainless, etc.

How often should a non-aluminum tank be shock sanitized? At least at the start of any new boating season OR anytime when you can reach inside the tank and feel that the tank walls feel 'slimey' to the touch. That slime is a massive bacteria colony and if you cant open up and scrub it, you should consider to repeat the shock sanitizing over several days/weeks until you dont feel that 'slimey' sensation.

2. Maintenance dosage. 1 parts per million free chlorine.
For normal grocery store Clorox this will be approximately 4oz. Clorox per 100 gallons of water as a 'guide' ... as you should be using the 'nose test' to keep sufficient free chlorine in the system: Open the spiggot and let your WIFE or GIRLFRIEND, etc. smell the water ... if she can smell the barest amount of the acrid chlorine odor coming from the water, you have a sufficient amount in the system. Women have a much better smell perception than men so let the ladies of the boat do the 'smell test'. If no barest chlorine is noted, simply add more chlorox and repeat the 'smell test' until the 'smell test' positive - cookbook dosages are not valid, the nose test is very good.
Repeat the smell test between the times that you normally fill the tank as the chlorine will react with tank walls, hoses, etc. and ultimately will be 'consumed/used up' ... and you need that 'barest amount' to prevent microorganisms from growing and multiplying.

Shock dosage: 40oz/ per 100 gallons 1-2 hours of soak time. (non-aluminum tankage)
Maintenance dosage: 4 oz. per 100 gallons .... BUT use the 'nose test' at the spiggot and add when more necessary.
 
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CarlN

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Jan 4, 2009
603
Ketch 55 Bristol, RI
I'm confused about the amount of bleach to add. I've always used less bleach than Rich is recommending. I tried google and came up with this link:


Chlorine is chlorine, so the chlorine in bleach is the same as the chlorine in drinking water and in aswimming pool. In fact, you can use chlorine bleach to treat a swimming pool or to treat drinking water. A gallon of bleach provides 1 part per million (PPM) of chlorine to 60,000 gallons (about 250,000 liters) of water. Typically, a pool is treated at a rate of 3 PPM, and drinking water is treated at anywhere from 0.2 PPM to 3 PPM depending on the level of contamination and the contact time.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question189.htm

If my math is right, this works out to 2.1 oz bleach for 100 gallons of water to shock at 10ppm or 12 oz to shock 100 gallons at 50ppm.

What's right?
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,818
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Clean Water

Sounds like you need to give your whole water system a good shot of bleach,
I would go heavy on the bleach into your water tank and than take it sailing and than run water thru every thing trying to clean all the bad water smell out of the piping and heater and everything else.
May need to do this heavy bleach more than 1 or 2 times and than run fresh water thru system until you get rid of smell of bleach,use a good water filter
hooked to hose that you use to refill tank but also check the water you are
using and ask other boaters at your dock about the water at the dock.
We don't drink the water from our tank but do wash dishes and shower with nice fresh water and we live in hot Fl.
I just use good water filter to fill my water tank and never need bleach but do use it often.
Nick
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,669
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Lotsa a good stuff. A few things....

Rich H is dead-on if this is hot water only. The anode is gone.

Carbon vs. chlorine. Carbon does not in general remove chorine. It reduces the hypochorite ion to chloride, which at 1-4 ppm is not noticable. Same for other halogen treatment chemicals. Carbon cannot remove inorganic chloride (salt), but for freshwater filtration this is not important.

Carbon vs. byproducts. Yes, it can absorb these, but the typical after-tap filter will not. As others have pointed out contact time matters; an under-sink filter will be needed.

Filters in general. They are NOT all the same. There are huge differences in quality and purpose; research is requiredbefore buying. Do NOT expect lable claims ("removes XXX") to be true unless test results are reviewed.

Fill water quality. Did the hose have algae growing in it that were shed? Was the fill wate rfiltered? Has the water source changed (not all marinas are chorinated, some water is higher in sulfate)?

Is the vent open to bugs etc. (should be covered/filtered)?

Tank cleanliness. Next time you MT the tank, look. Is it spotless? Is there ANY slime feel? If so, it needs to be made spotless. Chlorine cannot effectivly penitrate dirt at any reasonable conc.
 
Jul 27, 2013
298
Hunter 37.5 1065 Rock Hall, MD
There was mention of taking the filter out for draining. Will any of the particulate matter jam the water pump or accumulator? I have a similar problem as the OP.

It's worth stating that the amount of knowledge in this forum is truly astounding!!

Thanks to all posters and responders.

Ben
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
What's right?
What's right .... is that the tankage and its distribution lines continually have the minimum amount of FREE chlorine available to continually disinfect to stun/kill organisms and their growth.

Cookbook 'maintenance' dosages of chlorine are always WRONG as the chlorine also continually binds with the metal and polymer components of the system and therefore not available as a biocide; the rate at which chlorine reacts with the system components is also temperature dependent.
In my previous post I outlined 'the smell test' - being able to denote the 'barest' amount of chlorine odor coming out a spigot; ..... that barest possible amount of odor is FREE chlorine in the water. Chlorine by some authorities is considered a possible carcinogen that may be exponentially available if the system is 'overdosed'; too little chlorine and you'll get bio-growth.

..... the CORRECT amount will be approximately 1 parts per million of FREE (non-bound) chlorine and that on a practical basis equates to being able to smell the "barest possible amount of chlorine odor in the water coming out a spigot". All municipal water supply systems will continually test for this ~1ppm value at the very end of the system using quite accurate chemical analysis .... YOUR NOSE is the next best means to keep that amount of free chlorine available and without 'over-dosing'.
Even if the supplied water is already chlorinated, use the 'smell test' to make 'adjustments' for YOUR tank.

4oz. 'clorox' per 100 gallons will get you close to that RESIDUAL 1ppm level; your nose will easily allow you to make the needed 'adjustments'.
Note: Women discern such odors much better than men.
 
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Jul 27, 2013
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Hunter 37.5 1065 Rock Hall, MD
When the shock treatment is to be drained, is there a better way than opening the faucets? My water pump gets so hot if I run it for gallons and gallons of water drainage at a time I am afraid I am going to burn it out.

Ben
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,048
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
When the shock treatment is to be drained, is there a better way than opening the faucets? My water pump gets so hot if I run it for gallons and gallons of water drainage at a time I am afraid I am going to burn it out.

Ben
It shouldn't hurt a pump to run.
If the pump is getting too hot, I'd suspect you've got an issue with the pump's bearings.

P.S.- When you open your faucets, where does that shocked water drain?
 
Jul 27, 2013
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Hunter 37.5 1065 Rock Hall, MD
It drains into whatever respective sink is below the spigot. From there, it drains directly into the outside via a through hull. Each of my three sinks are plumbed to a seacock. No water to the bilge, if that's what you were wondering.

After reading the post again, I will remove the screen from the see through filter. Perhaps the pump gets hot because the water flow slows down. You see, I have more than a "few" floaters that I was afraid would hurt the water pump and/or accumulator if the little metal screen was removed.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,048
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
It drains into whatever respective sink is below the spigot. From there, it drains directly into the outside via a through hull. Each of my three sinks are plumbed to a seacock. No water to the bilge, if that's what you were wondering.
No, I was wondering if chlorine and chloramines were being released into a protected waterway. Be careful.

After reading the post again, I will remove the screen from the see through filter. Perhaps the pump gets hot because the water flow slows down. You see, I have more than a "few" floaters that I was afraid would hurt the water pump and/or accumulator if the little metal screen was removed.
Restricting a pump's input is definitely not good for the pump.
 
Jul 27, 2013
298
Hunter 37.5 1065 Rock Hall, MD
You raise an excellent point about the release of the bleach into the environment. I hadn't thought about it.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,048
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Maybe Don SV Illusion could expound. He used to work for the EPA, supposedly.