Rotten Egg Smell out Freshwater Faucet

Mar 22, 2010
23
Beneteau 343 Panama City
I have a 2009 Beneteau 343 that I bought new at the end of 2008. I never had any trouble with the water tanks and routinely drank the water without ill effect. My boat didn't come with an accumulator tank but I installed one a few years ago. Everything has worked fine except that this year I have noticed a rotten egg smell and foaming water coming from the faucet when the first quart or so of water is released from the taps. It is almost as if the water in the lines and accumulator are becoming tainted in some way as the boats sits during the week. The boat really only gets used on weekends. The small strainer mesh ahead of the freshwater pump is clean.

I don't use that much water on the boat so the tanks don't get depleted and filled that often; once the initial release of a few pints through the faucets the water tastes fine. When I switch over to hot water (after releasing a few pints of cold water) I get the same effect but less which indicates to me that this isn't 100% an accumulator tank issue.

Is this an accumulator issue? Is this normal as water lines age and water doesn't get flushed through regularly enough? What can be done to clear this up?
Thanks,
 
Sep 3, 2013
38
Beneteau 331 Brewer's Warwick
That's a poser

Haven't had the experience. Do you normally spend the weekend with the water pump in the on position? And if you do are if it often coming on without using a faucet? If so, perhaps you have some seawater seepage in through deck faucet during the weekend when system isn't pressurized.

Not familiar with the boat. Are there any connections that utilize fresh and seawater such as a tolilet flush. If so then perhaps you have a leaky valve or check valve.

Just changed my toilet on a 331 flushed the tank real well so was not unpleasant until I had to unhook unused seawater line to old toilet. That reeked of sulfides. The most recent former owner and I don't use seawater flush but perhaps previous owner to him did. Both seawater and septage can give you the rotten egg smell.

I have a 2009 Beneteau 343 that I bought new at the end of 2008. I never had any trouble with the water tanks and routinely drank the water without ill effect. My boat didn't come with an accumulator tank but I installed one a few years ago. Everything has worked fine except that this year I have noticed a rotten egg smell and foaming water coming from the faucet when the first quart or so of water is released from the taps. It is almost as if the water in the lines and accumulator are becoming tainted in some way as the boats sits during the week. The boat really only gets used on weekends. The small strainer mesh ahead of the freshwater pump is clean.

I don't use that much water on the boat so the tanks don't get depleted and filled that often; once the initial release of a few pints through the faucets the water tastes fine. When I switch over to hot water (after releasing a few pints of cold water) I get the same effect but less which indicates to me that this isn't 100% an accumulator tank issue.

Is this an accumulator issue? Is this normal as water lines age and water doesn't get flushed through regularly enough? What can be done to clear this up?
Thanks,
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Your usage pattern suggests that you have a colony of anaerobic bacteria in your water system. Shock you water system with a 10mg/l concentration of unscented household bleach (sodium hypochlorite) , making sure that you pump it into your accumulator and your hot water heater - till you smell it at the tap. After 24 hours purge all water and refill. Keeping your water system at 3-5 mg/l of chlorine will prevent a reoccurence. Google for potable water tank sanitize calculator for help with determining the proper amount. Do not use too much, follow the calculated direction.
 
Oct 9, 2008
1,742
Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
Your usage pattern suggests that you have a colony of anaerobic bacteria in your water system. Shock you water system with a 10mg/l concentration of unscented household bleach (sodium hypochlorite) , making sure that you pump it into your accumulator and your hot water heater - till you smell it at the tap. After 24 hours purge all water and refill. Keeping your water system at 3-5 mg/l of chlorine will prevent a reoccurence. Google for potable water tank sanitize calculator for help with determining the proper amount. Do not use too much, follow the calculated direction.
Yep.

Also, don't fill the tank(s); only keep about 20 gallons in one tank. This way, your water is not sitting for months in the summer warmth, brewing bacteria. The tank is getting fresh clean water consistently. For us, about 20 gallons in one of the tanks lasts for at least a month of weekends.
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
Your usage pattern suggests that you have a colony of anaerobic bacteria in your water system. Shock you water system with a 10mg/l concentration of unscented household bleach (sodium hypochlorite) , making sure that you pump it into your accumulator and your hot water heater - till you smell it at the tap. After 24 hours purge all water and refill. Keeping your water system at 3-5 mg/l of chlorine will prevent a reoccurence. Google for potable water tank sanitize calculator for help with determining the proper amount. Do not use too much, follow the calculated direction.
What Gunni said plus after you let it sit for 24 hours I would recommend flushing the whole system by filling the tanks and discharging through various faucets several times (2-3 fillings worth).

Also, when you use water try to use the hot water side more often than not. I have a friend that had this happened just on his hot water side because he very rarely used it so the water sat stagnant.
 
Mar 22, 2010
23
Beneteau 343 Panama City
These suggestions all make sense. There is no possible connection to allow sea water to get into the freshwater system (no such plumbing for head).

I once had a boat where I put a small amount of chlorine into the tanks to freshen them up with 2 depletions and refills. It seemed to work well but a friend called me crazy for doing it. It was a tiny amount which I didn't think would hurt anything but the criticism still influenced me. Looks like I will be doing it again soon.
Thanks
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
I sail overnighters every other weekend, with a day sail in between. Back at the slip, I use up all of the 40 gallons of water I can, so as to refill with fresh water before the weekends. Eight years, no problems- and still drinking it.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
I once had a boat where I put a small amount of chlorine into the tanks to freshen them up with 2 depletions and refills. It seemed to work well but a friend called me crazy for doing it. It was a tiny amount which I didn't think would hurt anything but the criticism still influenced me.
The amount of ~5% sodium hypochlorite I add to my 70 gal. to treat my water into the 3-5% chlorine range is about 1.5 oz. Like a shot glass full. Even at 10mg/l for 24hr. shock you aren't going to damage anything. I have seen folks dump WAY too much bleach in their tanks, more is not better. And the stuff is toxic to fish, so easy does it.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,467
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Do you mean 2-3 ppm range?
Our tap water at home is chlorinated. I don't drink it unfiltered but it isn't "Crazy" to add chlorine to the tanks. It may be crazy not to. Anyone who has even a casual knowledge of microbial plaques would want to take precautions against them.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,334
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Do you mean 2-3 ppm range?
Our tap water at home is chlorinated. I don't drink it unfiltered but it isn't "Crazy" to add chlorine to the tanks. It may be crazy not to. Anyone who has even a casual knowledge of microbial plaques would want to take precautions against them.
I know some people are quick to state opinion as fact. I won't elaborate.

As to the proper disinfection process, shocking tanks and the plumbing is ineffective at low concentrations, I.e., 10mg/l. The efficacy of shock treatment is directly related to the hypochlorite concentration AND residence time. The aforementioned conc is a "feel good" number only.

As to the proper and safe residual level, muni water standards are what you want, I.e., 1ppm.

It's fairly simple to test yourself with any standard pool test kit to ensure you have effectively flushed the shock conc load and achieved the 1ppm level.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Do you mean 2-3 ppm range?
Our tap water at home is chlorinated. I don't drink it unfiltered but it isn't "Crazy" to add chlorine to the tanks. It may be crazy not to. Anyone who has even a casual knowledge of microbial plaques would want to take precautions against them.
Yes, sorry typo - 3-5mg/l or PPM. Same concentration. And we do the same - filter out the halogen at the cold tap.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,334
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
You can't effectively filter halogenated hydrocarbons "at the tap".

I really wish some people would stick to things they know.
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,750
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
This what Peggy Hall says

This is all it takes to keep onboard water safe, and tasting/smelling as good as any that comes out of faucets on land: Fresh water system problems--foul odor or taste--are typically caused by allowing water to stagnate in the system. Although most people think only in terms of the tank, the plumbing is actually the source of most foul water, because the molds, mildew, fungi and bacteria which cause it thrive in damp dark places, not under water. Many people—and even some boat manufacturers—believe that keeping the tanks empty reduce the problem, but an empty water tank only provides another damp dark home for those “critters.” There are all kinds of products sold that claim to keep onboard water fresh, but all that’s really necessary is an annual or in especially warm climates, semi-annual recommissioning of the entire system—tank and plumbing. The following recommendations conform to section 10.8 in the A-1 192 code covering electrical, plumbing, and heating of recreational vehicles. The solution is approved and recommended by competent health officials. It may be used in a new system a used one that has not been used for a period of time, or one that may have been contaminated. Before beginning, turn off hot water heater at the breaker; do not turn it on again until the entire recommissioning is complete. Icemakers should be left running to allow cleaning out of the water feed line; however the first two buckets of ice—the bucket generated during recommissioning and the first bucketful afterward--should be discarded. 1. Prepare a chlorine solution using one gallon of water and 1/2 cup (4 oz) Clorox or Purex household bleach (5% sodium Hypochlorite solution ). With tank empty, pour chlorine solution into tank. Use one gallon of solution for each 5 gallons of tank capacity. 2. Complete filling of tank with fresh water. Open each faucet and drain cock until air has been released and the entire system is filled. Do not turn off the pump; it must remain on to keep the system pressurized and the solution in the lines 3. Allow to stand for at least three hours, but no longer than 24 hours. 4 Drain through every faucet on the boat (and if you haven't done this in a while, it's a good idea to remove any diffusion screens from the faucets, because what's likely to come out will clog them). Fill the tank again with fresh water only, drain again through every faucet on the boat. 5. To remove excess chlorine taste or odor which might remain, prepare a solution of one quart white vinegar to five gallons water and allow this solution to agitate in tank for several days by vehicle motion. 6. Drain tank again through every faucet, and flush the lines again by fill the tank 1/4-1/2 full and again flushing with potable water. People have expressed concern about using this method to recommission aluminum tanks. While bleach (chlorine) IS corrosive, it’s effects are are cumulative. So the effect of an annual or semi-annual "shock treatment" is negligible compared to the cumulative effect of holding chlorinated city water in the tank for years. Nevertheless, it's a good idea to mix the total amount of bleach in a few gallons of water before putting it into either a stainless or aluminum tank. People have also expressed concern about the potential damage to rubber and neoprene water pump parts. Again—the cumulative effect of carrying chlorinated water is far more damaging over time than the occasional “shock treatment.” And it’s that cumulative effect that makes it a VERY bad idea to add a little bleach to each fill. Not only does it damage the system, but unless you add enough to make your water taste and smell like a laundry, it’s not enough to do any good. Even if it were, any “purifying” properties in chlorine evaporate within 24 hours, leaving behind only the corrosive properties. An annual or semi-annual recommissioning according to the above directions is all that should be necessary to keep your water tasting and smelling as good as anything that comes out of any faucet on land. If you need to improve on that, install a water filter. Just remember that a filter is not a substitute for cleaning out the system, and that filters require regular inspection and cleaning or replacement. To keep the water system cleaner longer, use your fresh water...keep water flowing through system. The molds, fungi, and bacteria only start to grow in hoses that aren't being used. Before filling the tank each time, always let the dock water run for at least 15 minutes first...the same critters that like the lines on your boat LOVE the dock supply line and your hose that sit in the warm sun, and you certainly don't want to transfer water that's been sitting in the dock supply line to your boat's system. So let the water run long enough to flush out all the water that's been standing in them so that what goes into your boat is coming straight from the water main. Finally, while the molds, fungi and bacteria in onboard water systems here in the US may not be pleasant, we're dealing only with aesthetics...water purity isn't an issue here--or in most developed nations...the water supply has already been purified (unless you're using well-water). However, when cruising out of the country, it's a good idea to know what you're putting in your tanks...and if you're in any doubt, boil all water that's to be drunk or used to wash dishes, and/or treat each tankful to purify. It's even more important in these areas to let the water run before putting it in the tank, because any harmful bacteria will REALLY proliferate in water hoses left sitting on the dock.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
You can't effectively filter halogenated hydrocarbons "at the tap".

I really wish some people would stick to things they know.
Yes, so do I donald. Where did you read "halogenated hydrocarbons" ? Halogens are common potable water treatment chemicals like chlorine, bromine, iodine. You know, those elements over on the right hand side of the periodic table. And they are all very effectively removed by a simple activated carbon filter at the tap.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,334
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Yes, so do I donald. Where did you read "halogenated hydrocarbons" ? Halogens are common potable water treatment chemicals like chlorine, bromine, iodine. You know, those elements over on the right hand side of the periodic table. And they are all very effectively removed by a simple activated carbon filter at the tap.
No pictures?

Carbon requires a residence time you don't get in the real world. You get it only in advertizing. Sounds like you are buying the latter...kind of like political rhetoric.
To be effective, you need a very large filter or a very slow flow rate. You also don't find anyone on any boat anywhere using bromine or iodine as a running disinfectant.

What you do get by improper chlorination is the potential to generated chlorinated hydrocarbons which is the more serious problem created when folks follow bad advice which I'm trying to warn them about.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,467
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I know some people are quick to state opinion as fact. I won't elaborate.
As to the proper disinfection process, shocking tanks and the plumbing is ineffective at low concentrations, I.e., 10mg/l. The efficacy of shock treatment is directly related to the hypochlorite concentration AND residence time. The aforementioned conc is a "feel good" number only.
As to the proper and safe residual level, muni water standards are what you want, I.e., 1ppm.
If I am the "Some people" you are referring to, and I guess I am, because you quote me, I would like to know what opinion of mine I represented as fact. Trust me it is a fact that my water at home is chlorinated. It is also a fact that I don't drink it unfiltered. It is my opinion, and that's why I wrote "...may be.." that it isn't crazy to add chlorine to the water tank. You did endorse that as a maintaining regimen. I also wrote that plaques are a concern. Is that not a fact? I'm fairly certain you know a lot about the subject. That and other posters expertise in this area are why I chose my words pretty carefully. . I did not endorse the shock treatment described because I don't know what is effective. In fact I know it is a lot more complicated. I do have a casual knowledge of microbial plaques and I stand by my opinion that it is prudent to take steps to minimize, through a variety of measures, their proliferation.
I'd rather hear your opinions based on your expertise than criticism of others posts.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,334
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
If I am the "Some people" you are referring to, and I guess I am, because you quote me, I would like to know what opinion of mine I represented as fact. Trust me it is a fact that my water at home is chlorinated. It is also a fact that I don't drink it unfiltered. It is my opinion, and that's why I wrote "...may be.." that it isn't crazy to add chlorine to the water tank. You did endorse that as a maintaining regimen. I also wrote that plaques are a concern. Is that not a fact? I'm fairly certain you know a lot about the subject. That and other posters expertise in this area are why I chose my words pretty carefully. . I did not endorse the shock treatment described because I don't know what is effective. In fact I know it is a lot more complicated. I do have a casual knowledge of microbial plaques and I stand by my opinion that it is prudent to take steps to minimize, through a variety of measures, their proliferation.
I'd rather hear your opinions based on your expertise than criticism of others posts.
I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. I was not referring to you or your opinion but rather someone else posting misleading suggestions.

The theory of shock treatment and the efficacy of maintaining a residual chlorine level are indisputable. It is the procedure someone stated with which I disagree as it serves no purpose other than to create a false sense of security.
 
Sep 6, 2011
435
Peggie Hall aka Headmistress always said 2 oz of 5-7% bleach per gallon. Pressurize each faucet where you can smell the bleach and let it stand no less than 4 hours but no more than 24 hours. Flush tank twice after stands period with fresh water after.

SC
 
Sep 3, 2013
38
Beneteau 331 Brewer's Warwick
If I am the "Some people" you are referring to, and I guess I am, because you quote me, I would like to know what opinion of mine I represented as fact. Trust me it is a fact that my water at home is chlorinated. It is also a fact that I don't drink it unfiltered. It is my opinion, and that's why I wrote "...may be.." that it isn't crazy to add chlorine to the water tank. You did endorse that as a maintaining regimen. I also wrote that plaques are a concern. Is that not a fact? I'm fairly certain you know a lot about the subject. That and other posters expertise in this area are why I chose my words pretty carefully. . I did not endorse the shock treatment described because I don't know what is effective. In fact I know it is a lot more complicated. I do have a casual knowledge of microbial plaques and I stand by my opinion that it is prudent to take steps to minimize, through a variety of measures, their proliferation.
I'd rather hear your opinions based on your expertise than criticism of others posts.
One needs a large shock to kill those bio films you are concerned about. The method described above will usually do the trick. However, if your system is really bad (lots of biologicals) it may require a couple treatments. One hint of a heavy load of biologicals is that the water coming out of your faucets near the end of the shock treatment don't have that strong chlorine smell.

There are always some hydrocarbons in water. When in the presence of chlorine they react and form chlorinated hydrocarbons. These are usually molecular in size and not taken out by home filters unless you have ultrafiltration like a desalination plant. As a FYI it is these molecules and not the chlorine that build up in pools and sting your eyes.

You might collect some freed bio films in your filter as those would be large enough during the shock but I'd remove filter during the first or perhaps second shock. The filter is a nice breeding ground. Clean out the housing and use a fresh filter on restart. Main usage of filtration is to remove visible particles. Some "filters" also have other properties and absorb certain metals.

1-2 ppm is alright to drink and will prevent proliferation of new organisms. One needs to be at a higher level to kill them. If you have a biofilm the outer layers of that film will prevent the chlorine from diffusing too far into the film which is why you may need a couple of shocks if your system is loaded.

An ex- microbial biochemist and practicing engineer.

Note the original posting was a Beneteau and probably has a plastic tank and less susceptible to chlorine attack that's from my engineering side.
 
Oct 9, 2008
1,742
Bristol 29.9 Dana Point
Although most people think only in terms of the tank, the plumbing is actually the source of most foul water, because the molds, mildew, fungi and bacteria which cause it thrive in damp dark places, not under water. Many people—and even some boat manufacturers—believe that keeping the tanks empty reduce the problem, but an empty water tank only provides another damp dark home for those “critters.”
The problems I've encountered have all originated in the tank. I only keep water in the center tank, unless I'm cruising. When I had odor issues, I accessed the tank via a hatch, and...foul. No amount of running the water was going to help. This was after I had cleaned the tanks, replaced the water heater, hoses, check valves, and rebuilt the pressure pump, and with the water in the tank treated.

The problem was due to the water being in there too long in warm weather. Many months. I agree that a full tank might be less susceptible, but that then counters your theory about the plumbing, which under pressure would be full of water. Also, keeping the tank(s) constantly and completely full is not practical. In my case, filling to capacity would also increase the boat's weight by about 400 lbs over my usual water supply. Therefore, it is good logic and proven reliable to keep only enough water in there that I need in a time span short enough to keep water-borne bacteria in check.

An occasional yet consistent flow of fresh water into the tank, along with tiny bits of bleach IE: Gunni's specs, had eradicated all odor problems long ago.