When I bought my 1982 37C last year it was rigged as a sloop.I would like to return it back to a cutter but none of the original staysail hardware came with the boat. I was thinking of adding a roller furled staysail that would double as a storm sail. I was wondering if anyone else tried this and is it a good idea? I already have an extra Furlex roller I can use and I plan to use heavy sail cloth. All ideas and comments are welcome.
Rller Furled Staysail
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don't see why not
Lots of cutters are rigged with dual roller furlers. Others are rigged with self-tacking staysails. Each has pros and cons. I'm sure some 37C sailors will check in with advice.
Lots of cutters are rigged with dual roller furlers. Others are rigged with self-tacking staysails. Each has pros and cons. I'm sure some 37C sailors will check in with advice.
With/without boom?
I have attached a not very good picture of the H37C with a furler and retained boom. This is more difficult to design but retains the self-tacking advantage. Notice that the owner had to build a separate mount for the boom. The original boom attaches directly to the mid-stay. Find an Island Packet in your marina to see how they are rigged The less difficult to install is to eliminate the boom and simply run the sheets back exactly like the yankee. You might also rig some blocks, deck organizers, and clutches to keep the sheets inboard. Besides being easier to install it also keeps the cabin top open for dinghy storage.
I have attached a not very good picture of the H37C with a furler and retained boom. This is more difficult to design but retains the self-tacking advantage. Notice that the owner had to build a separate mount for the boom. The original boom attaches directly to the mid-stay. Find an Island Packet in your marina to see how they are rigged The less difficult to install is to eliminate the boom and simply run the sheets back exactly like the yankee. You might also rig some blocks, deck organizers, and clutches to keep the sheets inboard. Besides being easier to install it also keeps the cabin top open for dinghy storage.
Without Boom
Ed, I am going to do it without boom so I can have room for the inflatable when I go out for a few days. By the way has anyone attached an inflatable on the stern for cruising? When I tow it takes at least half a knot off my speed.
Ed, I am going to do it without boom so I can have room for the inflatable when I go out for a few days. By the way has anyone attached an inflatable on the stern for cruising? When I tow it takes at least half a knot off my speed.
Staysail Club footed Boom and Dingys
We have an original rigged cutter sail plan..With the self tacking boom, which I love...I raised the boom by around 9 inches..That allowed us to put the dink (9 ft avon inflatable) on the cabin roof, all but fully inflated..Still allowing us to use the satysail... We have since gone to a Apex 10 ft Lite rib...When the tubes are deflated, it will still fit... Thats when I haven't hung the dink from the radar arch... Pictures are available 73 Ed S/V MYST
We have an original rigged cutter sail plan..With the self tacking boom, which I love...I raised the boom by around 9 inches..That allowed us to put the dink (9 ft avon inflatable) on the cabin roof, all but fully inflated..Still allowing us to use the satysail... We have since gone to a Apex 10 ft Lite rib...When the tubes are deflated, it will still fit... Thats when I haven't hung the dink from the radar arch... Pictures are available 73 Ed S/V MYST
We did it.
It is not called a club foot without reason. I removed it about 1 day after my daughter was hit in the back with it. From that day on I experimented with sheet leads, measured the lead angle on all the boats in the marina, read and pestered everyone with questions until I had the courage to drill extra holes in the boat. This last year, I replaced the Jib furler, added a stay sail furler and re-rigged the boat. I debated placing a single fixed pulley, but ended up using 3' foot tracks. I used barrel nuts to mount which are less visible from in side. I haven't mounted the line clutches yet, but have been using the cockpit coaming cleets and when the wind blows, I use the Jib Winches. By then the Jib is rolled up.
It is not called a club foot without reason. I removed it about 1 day after my daughter was hit in the back with it. From that day on I experimented with sheet leads, measured the lead angle on all the boats in the marina, read and pestered everyone with questions until I had the courage to drill extra holes in the boat. This last year, I replaced the Jib furler, added a stay sail furler and re-rigged the boat. I debated placing a single fixed pulley, but ended up using 3' foot tracks. I used barrel nuts to mount which are less visible from in side. I haven't mounted the line clutches yet, but have been using the cockpit coaming cleets and when the wind blows, I use the Jib Winches. By then the Jib is rolled up.
Not following you Larry.
Any pictures? You removed the boom and added a furler for the staysail as I understand it. But I am not following how your staysail sheets are rigged. And the comment about "3-foot tracks". Where are they mounted?
Any pictures? You removed the boom and added a furler for the staysail as I understand it. But I am not following how your staysail sheets are rigged. And the comment about "3-foot tracks". Where are they mounted?
Furler pictures
Ed, Mike and all, Next time I get down to the boat, I will take some pictures. In the mean time.... the 3' tracks are mounted on the cabin roof about 6-9" in from the hand rail. That's from memory so don't hold me to it. I will also take measurements when I go. I think a series of picture would do better than me try to describe it.
Ed, Mike and all, Next time I get down to the boat, I will take some pictures. In the mean time.... the 3' tracks are mounted on the cabin roof about 6-9" in from the hand rail. That's from memory so don't hold me to it. I will also take measurements when I go. I think a series of picture would do better than me try to describe it.
Im not sure i would do it.
I think i have made the decison to take mine down. The roller furling staysail is a pain in the butt. you can not tack very well with the standard jib because it drags across the furler, I plan to go to a larger say 125% jib and I think it would really be hard to tack that not to mention the wear on the sail. My plan will be to put a specta luff in a staysail and hank it to the deck when i want it and crank it tight with the staysail halyard. After talking with several owners they contend the staysail is little advantage. I would rather have a jib that can give me some power and that i can tack easily than have the roller i have now in the way. If it blows ill roll it then i can still get the staysail up if i really want too. The extra controll lines complicate things too. lots of line run back to the cockpit.
I think i have made the decison to take mine down. The roller furling staysail is a pain in the butt. you can not tack very well with the standard jib because it drags across the furler, I plan to go to a larger say 125% jib and I think it would really be hard to tack that not to mention the wear on the sail. My plan will be to put a specta luff in a staysail and hank it to the deck when i want it and crank it tight with the staysail halyard. After talking with several owners they contend the staysail is little advantage. I would rather have a jib that can give me some power and that i can tack easily than have the roller i have now in the way. If it blows ill roll it then i can still get the staysail up if i really want too. The extra controll lines complicate things too. lots of line run back to the cockpit.
Ed S dont forget mine.
just a note to say mine has original equipment for now with the same post on the foredeck as in the picture you posted. The later boats i think got the post on the foredeck and the boom. mine was roller furling from the factory. on both jib and staysail.
just a note to say mine has original equipment for now with the same post on the foredeck as in the picture you posted. The later boats i think got the post on the foredeck and the boom. mine was roller furling from the factory. on both jib and staysail.
Another sloop convert.
Sounds like Ed A. is converting his H37C to a sloop, a 1984 "H37". I am really disappointed Ed.
Are you sure it came from the factory that way? Never heard of that. Seriously though I have never had problems with tacking the yankee through the slot. And you know that my yankee is oversized. That staysail is the only way that I can sail with a neutral helm. And with the staysail alone it is a single-handlers dream. Maybe there isn't enough wind in Florida. But on Erie there are lots of days that you want a double-reefed main and staysail alone. The best rigging that I have seen for a staysail with the boom is a modification I think. There was a large stand-up swivel block mounted offcenter aft of the traveler. The fiddles on the staysail sheet were rigged so that the sheet comes off the bottom fiddle, back through the stand-up block, through a deck organizer and back to the port cabin winch. Much better than the original, down the boom and over to the toerail and back.
Sounds like Ed A. is converting his H37C to a sloop, a 1984 "H37". I am really disappointed Ed.
Are you sure it came from the factory that way? Never heard of that. Seriously though I have never had problems with tacking the yankee through the slot. And you know that my yankee is oversized. That staysail is the only way that I can sail with a neutral helm. And with the staysail alone it is a single-handlers dream. Maybe there isn't enough wind in Florida. But on Erie there are lots of days that you want a double-reefed main and staysail alone. The best rigging that I have seen for a staysail with the boom is a modification I think. There was a large stand-up swivel block mounted offcenter aft of the traveler. The fiddles on the staysail sheet were rigged so that the sheet comes off the bottom fiddle, back through the stand-up block, through a deck organizer and back to the port cabin winch. Much better than the original, down the boom and over to the toerail and back.that is interesting ed
I think you do have a lot of days with more wind than we have. Secondly the need for a larger light air sail is more apparent here than there. How big is your replacement genoa. I am looking at getting a 125 to 135. Blaise says he has never missed the staysail on his. But i would still be able to put one up on a spectra luff.
I think you do have a lot of days with more wind than we have. Secondly the need for a larger light air sail is more apparent here than there. How big is your replacement genoa. I am looking at getting a 125 to 135. Blaise says he has never missed the staysail on his. But i would still be able to put one up on a spectra luff.
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