RigRite unrant

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Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
In the YMMV department:

I just called them up about an obscure part for my Kenyon mast that they don't list on their web site. They said they would research it and to call back in half an hour. I called back and they had located it and turned me over to the order department and it's on the way.

Service doesn't get much better.
 

jfmid

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Jan 31, 2010
152
Oday 27 LE Manahawkin, NJ
In the YMMV department:

I just called them up about an obscure part for my Kenyon mast that they don't list on their web site. They said they would research it and to call back in half an hour. I called back and they had located it and turned me over to the order department and it's on the way.

Service doesn't get much better.
I'm sure were talking about the same Rigrite but I'm stunned and amazed that we could have such wildly different experiences. I spent a good part of the morning calling all the different extension choices and never got a human. Sent a fax and still havent heard. Have left messages and no answer. What can I say? Perhaps they recognize a "Southern" area code (NJ) and choose not to pick up??? LOL LOL I have no explanation for why our experiences are so different. Wish I had the same luck you have had. All I can say is I'm frustrated and worried that my mast base is MIA. Glad to hear that they are at least still "there" and haven't closed shop and departed.
BTW what does YMMV stand for????
 

jfmid

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Jan 31, 2010
152
Oday 27 LE Manahawkin, NJ
Your Mileage May Vary.
My mileage is looking dubious without a way to transmit the power of the wind to the hull of the boat. It's really amazing that all of that sail power goes through that little attachment point and moves the vessel. Perhaps the shrouds take a little but still it's pretty cool.
Like the thrust of a large jet engine going through the engine mount and pushing the plane.... a major stress point. I totally understand why you wanted your tangs to be in great shape and not have to worry that they might separate under load.

Thanks again for your continued help and advice on this site. You're a true gentleman.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Roger/JF:

I hear the same story about Hunter Marine. Many report excellent responses to Hunter customer service and others report that they cannot get through, no one answers the questions etc.

I have no idea how to resolve these types of issues other than writing a "Letter" to the owner/management and express you complaints or concerns.

I know with Hunter many of the complaints is the fact that they do not have specs on older boats. If you happen to speak with some of the ol'timers at Hunter they remember a lot of the stuff that is no longer in the documentation that has been destroyed. Mike & Eddie have always been more that responsive with me over the years so I have nothing bad to say about them except that some of their vendors no longer have or make the part that I may need or are now out of business.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
I avoided my present convenient marina for a couple years because of pervasive waterfront and net buzz similar to the rant thread. My loss maybe because my experience there has been very good, so far.
 

njsail

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Feb 18, 2010
216
Bavaria Ocean 40 CC Forked River
As it relates to customer service consistency is important. As an example here is my experience with island packet yachts to use in perspective. Many years ago purchased a used 27foot sailboat (my prior boat) almost 20 years old and after purchase I received all sorts of mail welcoming me to the island packet family ( this is from the manufacturer not an owners group which is awesome as well). The first time I really needed help with something I hesitantly called the factory fully expecting to be told "go away used boat owner and go try talking with a user group to solve my problem". To my amazement I was treated like I just purchased a brand new island packet yacht. I even reminded the person I owned a 20 year old boat where I'm the third owner and still I received first class treatment. Over the next several years I continued to have the same factory experience. I don't own that great little boat any longer but I will always remember island packet customer service as top notch. Rigrite Was the exact opposite experience (for me)

Hopefully rigrite will eventually come through and help you. Try calling from another phone.

Good luck
 

tipp

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Feb 17, 2011
1
San Juan 24 PNW
I'm glad your experience with Rig Rite went well.

However, my experience with them hasn't been great. Last year I ordered a mainsail gate for my Kenyon 3650 mast:


It came no problem, but it didn't fit correctly. The mainsail slugs got caught on the top and bottom, blocking the ability to raise the sail from the cockpit. The gate just needed to be a about a cm longer. I politely emailed their customer service and asked what was up. The person told me that I had modified my mast and I was wrong.

Okay, I said, maybe the previous owner modified the opening (looked 100% factory to me, but I wasn't going to argue). So I inquired about returning the gate, and having them make a longer one that would fit, and I would pay for any difference. This is the response I received (no name was given):

With setup costs, 1 custom one, would be (maybe) prohibitively expensive. +/- $750. +/- 9 weeks. Paid in advance.

Your call.

We would be happy to do it, as Chevy would be happy to make you a Camaro w/ a 2" longer wheelbase - but I don't think they'd give you the 2nd one for free.
 
Sep 15, 2007
69
Hunter 22 Temple Hills, Maryland
I don't think people who've had bad experiences with Rig-Rite should be so summarily dismissed out of hand. :naughty: It's bad enough when you're attempting to locate hard to find parts for an old boat without being blown off by the source where the part may be located as well; and I too have experienced both bad and good from Rig-Rite.

A bit more than year ago I contacted Rig-Rite for a Mast Step Casting that fit into the bottom of my mast . The screws holding the casting in the mast had broken so I couldn't remove the casting in order to re-install my halyards. :doh: As a final resort I hired a marine repairman to remove the casting, but I ran an errand and when I returned he handed me the broken casting, charged me $250, and said he'd make me a custom one for a few hundred. :doh: (A neighbor told me the guy used a hammer to smash the casting out of the mast.) Anyway that's what set me up to meet with Rig-Rite.

To me, Rig-Rite's instructions were convoluted and about as clear as mud. :confused: And I sensed a preoccupation with making sure the customer was aware of the penalties to be exacted for returned merchandise. Nevertheless I vaguely thought I had an idea of the size part I needed and I dutifiully traced the outline of the bottom of my mast as requested if there was a question to size, and I faxed it in. :neutral:

As others have said I never was able to speak to anyone but I received an email from some young woman stating the fax was distorted, and that's how I began an email correspondence with the woman there who was extremely rude, crude, and just down right nasty. She even YELLED AT ME through her emails in response to my inquiries and quotes of their instructions. I needed the part but when she seemed to suddenly blurt out the part she thought I needed it had reached a point I no longer trusted her and thought she simply told me I needed some arbitrariy piece to get rid of me and then I'd be left with a useless part that I'd be charged for if I returned it. So in frustration I gave up and decided to look elsewhere for the part. However I posted my experiences out here thinking I might at least warn others and perhaps learn of someone else with similar experiences - but there wasn't a peep.

Time went by and I couldn't find the casting anywhere and I had to go back to Rig-Rite.:neutral:

This time I determined I really needed the entire Hinged Mast Step Assembly. I spoke to a woman who was very helpful and courteous. :) It was like night and day. :dance:

Sure, my post can be easily dismissed by those who can say "it was timing" or perhaps "the persons" I encountered, but to that I say yeah, yeah, yeah, we all know about human beings etc., etc., but Rig-Rite is a business and some consistency is expected and generally customers expect to be treated with courtesy. Duhhh, it's called "good business practice". Secondly, the fact that other posts so closely mirrors my first experience says alot. ;)

If necessary I'd return to Rig-Rite and they were so kind to me the second time around I've since posted testimonials out here about the tremendous service they'd rendered but that doesn't mean what I - and apparently others - experienced was without merit. Perhaps Rig-Rite isn't aware of these incidents.
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
I don't think people who've had bad experiences with Rig-Rite should be so summarily dismissed out of hand. :naughty: It's bad enough when you're attempting to locate hard to find parts for an old boat without being blown off by the source where the part may be located as well; and I too have experienced both bad and good from Rig-Rite.

A bit more than year ago I contacted Rig-Rite for a Mast Step Casting that fit into the bottom of my mast . The screws holding the casting in the mast had broken so I couldn't remove the casting in order to re-install my halyards. :doh: As a final resort I hired a marine repairman to remove the casting, but I ran an errand and when I returned he handed me the broken casting, charged me $250, and said he'd make me a custom one for a few hundred. :doh: (A neighbor told me the guy used a hammer to smash the casting out of the mast.) Anyway that's what set me up to meet with Rig-Rite.

To me, Rig-Rite's instructions were convoluted and about as clear as mud. :confused: And I sensed a preoccupation with making sure the customer was aware of the penalties to be exacted for returned merchandise. Nevertheless I vaguely thought I had an idea of the size part I needed and I dutifiully traced the outline of the bottom of my mast as requested if there was a question to size, and I faxed it in. :neutral:

As others have said I never was able to speak to anyone but I received an email from some young woman stating the fax was distorted, and that's how I began an email correspondence with the woman there who was extremely rude, crude, and just down right nasty. She even YELLED AT ME through her emails in response to my inquiries and quotes of their instructions. I needed the part but when she seemed to suddenly blurt out the part she thought I needed it had reached a point I no longer trusted her and thought she simply told me I needed some arbitrariy piece to get rid of me and then I'd be left with a useless part that I'd be charged for if I returned it. So in frustration I gave up and decided to look elsewhere for the part. However I posted my experiences out here thinking I might at least warn others and perhaps learn of someone else with similar experiences - but there wasn't a peep.

Time went by and I couldn't find the casting anywhere and I had to go back to Rig-Rite.:neutral:

This time I determined I really needed the entire Hinged Mast Step Assembly. I spoke to a woman who was very helpful and courteous. :) It was like night and day. :dance:

Sure, my post can be easily dismissed by those who can say "it was timing" or perhaps "the persons" I encountered, but to that I say yeah, yeah, yeah, we all know about human beings etc., etc., but Rig-Rite is a business and some consistency is expected and generally customers expect to be treated with courtesy. Duhhh, it's called "good business practice". Secondly, the fact that other posts so closely mirrors my first experience says alot. ;)

If necessary I'd return to Rig-Rite and they were so kind to me the second time around I've since posted testimonials out here about the tremendous service they'd rendered but that doesn't mean what I - and apparently others - experienced was without merit. Perhaps Rig-Rite isn't aware of these incidents.
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
 

jfmid

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Jan 31, 2010
152
Oday 27 LE Manahawkin, NJ
I don't think people who've had bad experiences with Rig-Rite should be so summarily dismissed out of hand. :naughty: It's bad enough when you're attempting to locate hard to find parts for an old boat without being blown off by the source where the part may be located as well; and I too have experienced both bad and good from Rig-Rite.

A bit more than year ago I contacted Rig-Rite for a Mast Step Casting that fit into the bottom of my mast . The screws holding the casting in the mast had broken so I couldn't remove the casting in order to re-install my halyards. :doh: As a final resort I hired a marine repairman to remove the casting, but I ran an errand and when I returned he handed me the broken casting, charged me $250, and said he'd make me a custom one for a few hundred. :doh: (A neighbor told me the guy used a hammer to smash the casting out of the mast.) Anyway that's what set me up to meet with Rig-Rite.

To me, Rig-Rite's instructions were convoluted and about as clear as mud. :confused: And I sensed a preoccupation with making sure the customer was aware of the penalties to be exacted for returned merchandise. Nevertheless I vaguely thought I had an idea of the size part I needed and I dutifiully traced the outline of the bottom of my mast as requested if there was a question to size, and I faxed it in. :neutral:

As others have said I never was able to speak to anyone but I received an email from some young woman stating the fax was distorted, and that's how I began an email correspondence with the woman there who was extremely rude, crude, and just down right nasty. She even YELLED AT ME through her emails in response to my inquiries and quotes of their instructions. I needed the part but when she seemed to suddenly blurt out the part she thought I needed it had reached a point I no longer trusted her and thought she simply told me I needed some arbitrariy piece to get rid of me and then I'd be left with a useless part that I'd be charged for if I returned it. So in frustration I gave up and decided to look elsewhere for the part. However I posted my experiences out here thinking I might at least warn others and perhaps learn of someone else with similar experiences - but there wasn't a peep.

Time went by and I couldn't find the casting anywhere and I had to go back to Rig-Rite.:neutral:

This time I determined I really needed the entire Hinged Mast Step Assembly. I spoke to a woman who was very helpful and courteous. :) It was like night and day. :dance:

Sure, my post can be easily dismissed by those who can say "it was timing" or perhaps "the persons" I encountered, but to that I say yeah, yeah, yeah, we all know about human beings etc., etc., but Rig-Rite is a business and some consistency is expected and generally customers expect to be treated with courtesy. Duhhh, it's called "good business practice". Secondly, the fact that other posts so closely mirrors my first experience says alot. ;)

If necessary I'd return to Rig-Rite and they were so kind to me the second time around I've since posted testimonials out here about the tremendous service they'd rendered but that doesn't mean what I - and apparently others - experienced was without merit. Perhaps Rig-Rite isn't aware of these incidents.
Well I called again after several messages and a fax went unanswered. Got a live person (Megan) and this woman was very helpful. She went to or called the shop to check on my mast base and told me it was still in the queue. She then explained that they were having staffing problems in the shop and that it would be a couple of weeks. She asked when I needed the part and I told her that I had been advised that it would have been ready weeks ago. I could be working on the mast now and wanted to reassemble it and make sure that the electricals work and such but in all honesty since the boat wont go in till May it is not a huge deal for me. I just want reassurance that the base will be repaired and they haven't lost it. I dont think that's pushy or unreasonable. To be given some honest info was refreshing. So this woman, who was very nice, said that she would mark it down as needed my the middle of Mar. I was very appreciative and hope and pray that they come through for me. That's the latest and as I run my own business I can totally appreciate how difficult it is to get great employees. It is by far the biggest headache I have and can make or break a business. No amount of money can make a person give a darn despite what people may think.
 
Sep 15, 2007
69
Hunter 22 Temple Hills, Maryland
Well I just got off the phone with Rig-Rite and apparently they're back to sipping their potion and have become Mr. Hyde. :confused:

I need spreaders and mine consist of (2) tubes that attach to this small rectangular "base", one attached to each side of the mast. Now the inside of the spreader tube has the proper shape to accept the insertion of the base so essentially each spreader tub slides over this rectangular base excrusion that's attached to each side of the mast.

I went to Rig-Rite's website with one of the the removed spreaders, and carefully went over their parts and found a part that appeared to be the part internally it had the proper shape to accept insertion of the base. The problem was Rig-Rite had a picture of single wing swept back spreader and I told the guy I had 2 separate pieces.

:cussing:He told me that was "impossible" and then began haranguing me, being sarcastic, telling me about having 2 shoes, etc., and each time I attempted to describe what I had he'd cut me off or overtalk me on something completely different as if attempting to impress either himself or me with how bright he'd convinced himself of being.

Well I've lived long enough to see certain patterns in life and it's been my experience that generally, those most lacking in a given area seem to go out of their way to prove the opposite is true. :neutral:

As far as you businessmen feeling sympathetic because of the difficulties of business, the bottom line is a business is nothing without customers and I'm happy that the competition sparked by the internet is bringing that reality home to those who've forgotten the importance of the lost art of customer care and service.

I'm going to do everything possible to get this part and hopefully I'll never have to deal with Rig-Rite again. Never.

:)
 
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