Right equipment helps Coast Guard rescue sailboat

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May 5, 2006
1,140
Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
Hot Ticket is a Farr 37 that was on the way

to race in KWRW. They lost their rudder and had to patch the hole where the rudder post came out leaving a 4" hole in the boat. Contrast this one to the morons in the 42' boat with 10,000 lbs of coffee aboard who panicked in 25 knot winds in the Gulf and requested to be lifted off.
 
May 5, 2006
1,140
Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
Hot Ticket is a Farr 37 that was on the way

to race in KWRW. They lost their rudder and had to patch the hole where the rudder post came out leaving a 4" hole in the boat. Contrast this one to the morons in the 42' boat with 10,000 lbs of coffee aboard who panicked in 25 knot winds in the Gulf and requested to be lifted off.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
CharlieCobra !!!!

Do you have any info on " the morons in the 42' boat with 10,000 lbs of coffee aboard who panicked in 25 knot winds in the Gulf and requested to be lifted off." There was an article in a Houston newspaper several weeks back about these folks and their intentions. I figured that they were 2 morons when I read the article. My GF does not get on this site but I just showed her your post. She said.."Yup, you were right'. Was wondering where you read about them and if you have any additional info. Tony B
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
CharlieCobra !!!!

Do you have any info on " the morons in the 42' boat with 10,000 lbs of coffee aboard who panicked in 25 knot winds in the Gulf and requested to be lifted off." There was an article in a Houston newspaper several weeks back about these folks and their intentions. I figured that they were 2 morons when I read the article. My GF does not get on this site but I just showed her your post. She said.."Yup, you were right'. Was wondering where you read about them and if you have any additional info. Tony B
 
May 31, 2004
197
Catalina 36 MK II Havre de Grace, MD
Is this the 42' you are referring to? (go to link)

HOUSTON - The Coast Guard rescued three people and a dog from a sailboat 200 miles south of Galveston, Texas, Noon Monday. A watchstander at Coast Guard Sector Houston/Galveston recieved a call from an H.F. radio operator in Houston at 11:45 a.m. reporting that a 42-foot sailboat was in danger 200 miles south of Galveston. Coast Guard Air Station Houston launched an HH-65C Dolphin helicopter crew and Sector Houston/Galveston diverted the patrol boat Heron to assist. Due to the extreme distance involved, Air Station Corpus Christi launched an HU-25 Falcon jet crew to assist as well. The people on the boat reported 25-foot seas and 30-35 knot winds. There were two men on board and one woman, who had an injured leg. There was also a Pomeranian on board. The helicopter crew arrived on scene at about 3 p.m. and hoisted the three people and the dog through the 30-35 knot winds. Due to the extreme distance involved, they had to land on an oil rig to refuel on their return trip. Increasingly heavy wind prevented them from leaving the oil rig for almost half an hour. The helicopter crew brought the three people and the dog to Ellington Field, in Houston, where a family friend was waiting to bring them home.
 
May 31, 2004
197
Catalina 36 MK II Havre de Grace, MD
Is this the 42' you are referring to? (go to link)

HOUSTON - The Coast Guard rescued three people and a dog from a sailboat 200 miles south of Galveston, Texas, Noon Monday. A watchstander at Coast Guard Sector Houston/Galveston recieved a call from an H.F. radio operator in Houston at 11:45 a.m. reporting that a 42-foot sailboat was in danger 200 miles south of Galveston. Coast Guard Air Station Houston launched an HH-65C Dolphin helicopter crew and Sector Houston/Galveston diverted the patrol boat Heron to assist. Due to the extreme distance involved, Air Station Corpus Christi launched an HU-25 Falcon jet crew to assist as well. The people on the boat reported 25-foot seas and 30-35 knot winds. There were two men on board and one woman, who had an injured leg. There was also a Pomeranian on board. The helicopter crew arrived on scene at about 3 p.m. and hoisted the three people and the dog through the 30-35 knot winds. Due to the extreme distance involved, they had to land on an oil rig to refuel on their return trip. Increasingly heavy wind prevented them from leaving the oil rig for almost half an hour. The helicopter crew brought the three people and the dog to Ellington Field, in Houston, where a family friend was waiting to bring them home.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Thanks Allan

Yes, that was them. When the article came out in a Houston newspaper, it was just prior to their trip. They originally said they could make the round trip in 2 weeks, which I thought was a bit optimistic. The newspaper had some poor pics of boat. I couldnt tell what it was, now I understand why...it was home made. The windows looked kinda large for an offshore boat. Looked like windows from an RV. Was hard to tell from pics. Also, it looked like the deckhouse may have been in 2 levels and I thought that was strange for a 42' sailboat. Again, the photos were of them near stern of boat and not of boat itself. I guessed that a 42' sailboat should weigh in about 20,000 to 30,000 lbs. Add 10,000 lbs of cargo and that in itself could be dangerous. Also, 10,000 lbs of coffee in 1 lb. bags has got to take up a heck of a lot of space. The husband and wife were both Captains on crew boats in the oilfiel. Anyway, I hope they can salvage their boat and sell the coffee on e-bay as originally planned. If nothing else, they will have a lifetime to tell one heck of a great story. Tony B
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Thanks Allan

Yes, that was them. When the article came out in a Houston newspaper, it was just prior to their trip. They originally said they could make the round trip in 2 weeks, which I thought was a bit optimistic. The newspaper had some poor pics of boat. I couldnt tell what it was, now I understand why...it was home made. The windows looked kinda large for an offshore boat. Looked like windows from an RV. Was hard to tell from pics. Also, it looked like the deckhouse may have been in 2 levels and I thought that was strange for a 42' sailboat. Again, the photos were of them near stern of boat and not of boat itself. I guessed that a 42' sailboat should weigh in about 20,000 to 30,000 lbs. Add 10,000 lbs of cargo and that in itself could be dangerous. Also, 10,000 lbs of coffee in 1 lb. bags has got to take up a heck of a lot of space. The husband and wife were both Captains on crew boats in the oilfiel. Anyway, I hope they can salvage their boat and sell the coffee on e-bay as originally planned. If nothing else, they will have a lifetime to tell one heck of a great story. Tony B
 
Jan 7, 2008
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- - League City, TX
Coffee Boat

I know the boat that was in distress off the coast of Galveston. It's called "Red Cloud" and it was a home made steel hull boat. I use to see it several times a week moored at the Taylor Lake entrance just off of Clear Lake (Seabrook, Kemah, Texas area). It had coffee written on the side. There was a write-up in the local paper about their intentions of sailing to Belize to retrieve 10,000 lbs of coffee beans for their new business. They seemed to actually have a coffee shop on the dock. They only had 4,000 lbs on board due to certain restriction in Belize...or something of that nature. The rescue was on the local news several nights and there have been follow-ups about their attempt to retrieve the vessel. As of Friday, the USCG was still receiving the EPIRB signal. The first story indicated that they were caught in 20 foot seas, taking on water, and the roof of the pilothouse was being pealed off by the high winds. Later, they reported that the steering had failed and possibly punctured the hull. Then another report stated they had lost engine power as well. The Galveston Daily News stated the seas were 25 feet. I kind of question the sea height. I was offshore about 40-45 nautical miles this last October in my Cape Dory 28 when we hit high seas and winds from an identical cold front as we were returning from the annual Harvest Moon Regatta. NOAA reported 5 to 6 foot seas at the time but I know for sure some were over 12 feet. What happens, as most of you know, is sometimes one wave sucks up the energy from another causing it to tower above the rest and every now and then one will catch you. My Cape Dory 28 had no problems with any of these waves but I had steering (Cape Dorys are great little blue water sailors). During footage of the rescue of the crew from "Red Cloud" the seas looked similar to when I was out in October, but who knows what they were facing before. Supposedly they put out a sea anchor, then a drogue, and finally drug a spare mainsail behind. That would definitely indicate that they were trying to slow down their decent over huge waves. The only real issue I see here is whether or not 4,000 lbs was overloading the vessel. No one seems to really know much more about their boat. Obviously they had an EPIRB on board but not a 406 EPIRB which is required now. The USCG doesn't monitor the older EPIRBs except from craft in the air or water during a search. In my mind a 406 EPIRB would be a requirement for sailing to Belize. But, they are costly (I purchased one this last October before the Regatta and I was gritting my teeth) but still worth the price when you think of how well they work. The report on the local news was that the USCG helicopter made 200 miles in 50 minutes...after the mayday call was relayed to them from a ham operator. After it's all said and done, I hope they find their boat and I'm glad they are OK. The lived on this boat as well and it was uninsured (they said on the news it was too old an no one would insure it). I don't really know what to make of it all. They seem to be worried about someone else getting to the boat and claiming it by salvage rights laws. We should know something here in the next day or two. I thought I would just relay you guys what I know. Good sailing to you all...
 
Jan 7, 2008
8
- - League City, TX
Coffee Boat

I know the boat that was in distress off the coast of Galveston. It's called "Red Cloud" and it was a home made steel hull boat. I use to see it several times a week moored at the Taylor Lake entrance just off of Clear Lake (Seabrook, Kemah, Texas area). It had coffee written on the side. There was a write-up in the local paper about their intentions of sailing to Belize to retrieve 10,000 lbs of coffee beans for their new business. They seemed to actually have a coffee shop on the dock. They only had 4,000 lbs on board due to certain restriction in Belize...or something of that nature. The rescue was on the local news several nights and there have been follow-ups about their attempt to retrieve the vessel. As of Friday, the USCG was still receiving the EPIRB signal. The first story indicated that they were caught in 20 foot seas, taking on water, and the roof of the pilothouse was being pealed off by the high winds. Later, they reported that the steering had failed and possibly punctured the hull. Then another report stated they had lost engine power as well. The Galveston Daily News stated the seas were 25 feet. I kind of question the sea height. I was offshore about 40-45 nautical miles this last October in my Cape Dory 28 when we hit high seas and winds from an identical cold front as we were returning from the annual Harvest Moon Regatta. NOAA reported 5 to 6 foot seas at the time but I know for sure some were over 12 feet. What happens, as most of you know, is sometimes one wave sucks up the energy from another causing it to tower above the rest and every now and then one will catch you. My Cape Dory 28 had no problems with any of these waves but I had steering (Cape Dorys are great little blue water sailors). During footage of the rescue of the crew from "Red Cloud" the seas looked similar to when I was out in October, but who knows what they were facing before. Supposedly they put out a sea anchor, then a drogue, and finally drug a spare mainsail behind. That would definitely indicate that they were trying to slow down their decent over huge waves. The only real issue I see here is whether or not 4,000 lbs was overloading the vessel. No one seems to really know much more about their boat. Obviously they had an EPIRB on board but not a 406 EPIRB which is required now. The USCG doesn't monitor the older EPIRBs except from craft in the air or water during a search. In my mind a 406 EPIRB would be a requirement for sailing to Belize. But, they are costly (I purchased one this last October before the Regatta and I was gritting my teeth) but still worth the price when you think of how well they work. The report on the local news was that the USCG helicopter made 200 miles in 50 minutes...after the mayday call was relayed to them from a ham operator. After it's all said and done, I hope they find their boat and I'm glad they are OK. The lived on this boat as well and it was uninsured (they said on the news it was too old an no one would insure it). I don't really know what to make of it all. They seem to be worried about someone else getting to the boat and claiming it by salvage rights laws. We should know something here in the next day or two. I thought I would just relay you guys what I know. Good sailing to you all...
 
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Sailortonyb

Scarlett Sails, Where?

Where are you getting your info? I have found several articles on the web, but nothing really detailed. I agree with your on the wave height. I saw a short video clip. Looked like 10-12ft waves and at 35K winds, thats what you would expect . I read something earlier about a tropical down there at the time. That could have generated larger waves. Your post is the first one I read about only 4,000 lbs of coffee as opposed to 10,000 lbs. Even at that, its still a lot of additional weight assuming they had full fuel and water. That would have an effect on steering, waterline and several other factors. One place I read that a Ham radio i operator picked up their signals and another article said that the owner used a cell phone and and called a friend. It will probably be a while tilll we get the real story. As for salvage rights, I met a man one time that was airlifted while solo sailing due to a heart attack. Its not exactly 'finders-keepers'. The salvage person is entitled up to a certain % (dont remember the figure) of the value of the boat and cargo OR.... a reasonable amount of money for the towing effort. In his particulr case, the salvage person was greedy and turned down $10K by the insurance co. The case went to court and the judge awarded the salvage person only $2K and legal fees were not included. Anyway, in the "COFFEE CASE", it will be a sizeable amount of money especially if they didnt have insurance. I wish them luck. Tony B
 
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Sailortonyb

Scarlett Sails, Where?

Where are you getting your info? I have found several articles on the web, but nothing really detailed. I agree with your on the wave height. I saw a short video clip. Looked like 10-12ft waves and at 35K winds, thats what you would expect . I read something earlier about a tropical down there at the time. That could have generated larger waves. Your post is the first one I read about only 4,000 lbs of coffee as opposed to 10,000 lbs. Even at that, its still a lot of additional weight assuming they had full fuel and water. That would have an effect on steering, waterline and several other factors. One place I read that a Ham radio i operator picked up their signals and another article said that the owner used a cell phone and and called a friend. It will probably be a while tilll we get the real story. As for salvage rights, I met a man one time that was airlifted while solo sailing due to a heart attack. Its not exactly 'finders-keepers'. The salvage person is entitled up to a certain % (dont remember the figure) of the value of the boat and cargo OR.... a reasonable amount of money for the towing effort. In his particulr case, the salvage person was greedy and turned down $10K by the insurance co. The case went to court and the judge awarded the salvage person only $2K and legal fees were not included. Anyway, in the "COFFEE CASE", it will be a sizeable amount of money especially if they didnt have insurance. I wish them luck. Tony B
 
Jan 7, 2008
8
- - League City, TX
Red Cloud update

Hey Tony B, Some of the info is from The Galveston Daily News, some from 11 News, some from the local paper they through here in South Shore (I get a couple freebies and I don't remember which one). I actually dropped by the location where the boat was moored and asked questions but no one knew anything. I saw the dog on the upper deck of the building that says a coffee shop is coming. It appeared to be the same dog that was in the video. I was going to go up and knock on the door but it was blocked off. Today I checked www.galvestondailynews.com and there was an article that said the boat had sunk. I really hate to hear that. The boat was 40 years old and uninsured. As far as cell phones, I know that my service (T-Mobile) and my buddy's Sprint service work at various location along the coast but not more than 10 miles out. We sometimes look for cell towers on land and sail in closer just so we can call our wives from time to time. So, I doubt if they used a standard cell. It can certainly get nasty out there on the water but the last article I read said 30 foot seas! One of the videos did show the boat going over a wave that seemed ok but then it slid down the other side quite a distance... so who really knows... Take care and fair weather to you, Frank
 
Jan 7, 2008
8
- - League City, TX
Red Cloud update

Hey Tony B, Some of the info is from The Galveston Daily News, some from 11 News, some from the local paper they through here in South Shore (I get a couple freebies and I don't remember which one). I actually dropped by the location where the boat was moored and asked questions but no one knew anything. I saw the dog on the upper deck of the building that says a coffee shop is coming. It appeared to be the same dog that was in the video. I was going to go up and knock on the door but it was blocked off. Today I checked www.galvestondailynews.com and there was an article that said the boat had sunk. I really hate to hear that. The boat was 40 years old and uninsured. As far as cell phones, I know that my service (T-Mobile) and my buddy's Sprint service work at various location along the coast but not more than 10 miles out. We sometimes look for cell towers on land and sail in closer just so we can call our wives from time to time. So, I doubt if they used a standard cell. It can certainly get nasty out there on the water but the last article I read said 30 foot seas! One of the videos did show the boat going over a wave that seemed ok but then it slid down the other side quite a distance... so who really knows... Take care and fair weather to you, Frank
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Scarlett Sails

Thanks for the update. Just a note: DataCom is a fairly large communications company offshore with the oil companies. Just about all of them use DatCom for their communications systems. Recently DataCom merged with Cingular/AT&T. If you have a cell phone with AT&T service, you more than likely will get a strong signal anywhere up to about 70 miles or more in the gulf. Your cell phone will show as AT&T Extend and even though your service contract says 'no long distance charges', DONT BELIEVE IT. That does not apply to the Gulf. You will get a hefty bill. If you have AT&T wireless Internet Svc, it will be slow but very useable. The digital useage, for some reason does not show up on your bill and neither will text messaging. Point being, they may have been able to use their cell if they have AT&T service. Sometimes in the Gulf you can also catch an expensive sattelite. I personally use a HAM radio to stay in constant touch with everone. There is a free mariners service on 14.300MHz. They will post you on Shiptrak, make phone calls for you and a host of other really nice things. BTW, I'm in Marina Del Sol Tony B
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Scarlett Sails

Thanks for the update. Just a note: DataCom is a fairly large communications company offshore with the oil companies. Just about all of them use DatCom for their communications systems. Recently DataCom merged with Cingular/AT&T. If you have a cell phone with AT&T service, you more than likely will get a strong signal anywhere up to about 70 miles or more in the gulf. Your cell phone will show as AT&T Extend and even though your service contract says 'no long distance charges', DONT BELIEVE IT. That does not apply to the Gulf. You will get a hefty bill. If you have AT&T wireless Internet Svc, it will be slow but very useable. The digital useage, for some reason does not show up on your bill and neither will text messaging. Point being, they may have been able to use their cell if they have AT&T service. Sometimes in the Gulf you can also catch an expensive sattelite. I personally use a HAM radio to stay in constant touch with everone. There is a free mariners service on 14.300MHz. They will post you on Shiptrak, make phone calls for you and a host of other really nice things. BTW, I'm in Marina Del Sol Tony B
 
Jan 7, 2008
8
- - League City, TX
Tony B

Thanks Tony. I didn't know that. In the summer of '06 we took a trip down the coast and rented a satellite phone but found we didn't need it since we stayed within a few miles of the coast. We're at South Shore...slip 516. The boat is a Cape Dory 28 named is Unicorn.
 
Jan 7, 2008
8
- - League City, TX
Tony B

Thanks Tony. I didn't know that. In the summer of '06 we took a trip down the coast and rented a satellite phone but found we didn't need it since we stayed within a few miles of the coast. We're at South Shore...slip 516. The boat is a Cape Dory 28 named is Unicorn.
 
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