Rigging and windlass question.

pjacobs55 · Mar 27, 2017

Skip the windlass.
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alaskaflyfish · Mar 27, 2017

I am in exactly your position concerning the rigging except there is nobody in Alaska to give me advice. I'm on my own with the understanding I gleaned from this forum. Take it slow and use a checklist. Windlass--would be nice. They are very heavy and take up precious deck space. I am wondering about the weight on the bow. If the water tank is full, a 25lb anchor on the pulpit roller and 100ft of 5/16 chain, how much more weight is a windlass? Seems to be an imbalanced boat. Maybe just use a halyard winch if your stuck and motor forward while hauling the anchor. From: "bundchen1263@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 6:27 AM Subject: [AlbinVega] Rigging and windlass question.

I had a friend came over to survey my boat, who owns a 38 footer. He is a longtime boater, recent convert from motorboats to sailboats( sailboat owner for 6 years). Anyhow he suggested that i should hire a pro to setup or at least get some professional help to set up the rigging(first time for me on the vega). Prior to vega i did rig 17 and 22 footers(simple enough). Honestly the rigging of vega doesn't seem too complicated, there are huge online support between vega owners(always appreciated) and i am sort of a DIY type of guy not to mention. Should i follow his advise or try and learn by myself with the goal of reaching perfection for years to come? He also pointed out that i should invest in a windlass. It is my understanding that most vega owners expected not to use windlass because of the size of the boat, weight of the anchor accordingly etc.I specifically remember one topic at cruising forum that unless -quote- you are small frame, you would have no problem handling an anchor on this boat. I have a reputation among my friends that they say i am strong and smart like a bull so i guess my frame is ok. Joke aside i am 41 years old with decent fitness level if that makes any difference. My sailing style mostly will be solo. I expressed my opinions to him that most vega owners feel that a windlass is overkill. He responded that - ask them if they ever had to haul it in a hurry with the storm brewing overhead or against a strong breeze. What do you think? I know there are lots of variables such as what kind of sailing you will do or location etc. but a general point of view to shape up my mind would help. thanks

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africanmarco · Mar 27, 2017

Hello fellow Vega sailors,I am the lucky owner of Vega 3339 Spray (series III) purchased in 2012 in Holland and sailed by sea, most single-handed up to Venice-Italy. I keep sailing mainly single-handed. Here is my advice:Rigging:I have the system to raise and lower the mast so I regularly adjust the rigging, without any specialist, just following the advice published by other Vega sailors.Here is one suggestion from VAGB newsletter 51:Setting up your rigging

Those
of you who have attended International Friendship Rallies in northern Europe

over
the last 20 years will undoubtedly heard of Danish Club member Kaiser Fleming

and
his Vega Racing prowess. If he hasn’t won all the races he’s entered, he

has
won most of them. The only thing he doesn’t do is cross the North Sea so we in

England
occasionally get a bit better chance of a win. Finally he has entered the

Racing
Class so us mere mortals also get a chance of some silverware! When he

entered
the Cruising Class (No Spinnaker) that left 5 mins after the start of the
Racing

Class,
he would still catch them up as well! He’s good, very good!

In
2006 I attended the IFR in Eckenforde and was lucky enough to get some valuable

advice
from Kaiser on Rig set up. He scribbled some points in the back of my

logbook
and I think I can interpret them. So here goesR..

Wait
for a calm day with little movement from the water, moored alongside a pontoon

in
a marina is ideal as you can occasionally walk away from the boat to get an

overall
view of the rig. Rig all your stays relatively loosely. Hoist a light line to
the

mast
head and tie a weight to it just above the cabin roof to act as a plumb line.

Make
sure the boat is not listing and is level on the water line. Fore and aft trim
can

be
checked by the screws set into the bow and stern on the ideal water line.

If you cannot find these floatation marks you can mark
them as follows:

Forward
mark is 1116 mm from the deck level measured down the stem and the Aft

mark
is 350mm from the lowest point of the transom measured forward along the

centre
line of the hull.

It
is likely that your boat will not float to these marks because she will be
heavier or

lighter
than standard or the weight is unevenly distributed but they will give you an

idea
of where you should be floating.

Stage one.

Centre
the mast by adjusting the masthead stays and check that the plumb bob is

on
the centre line.

Stage Two.

By
adjusting the forestay and backstay rake the masthead backwards by between 1

and
3 degrees, (you can see that Kaiser was careful not to give me too precise
instructions)

From
the masthead to the Boom is 7.9 m according to the Vega handbook

so
1degree of rake would equal 14cms along the boom and 3degrees 41cms.

Don’t
query the maths just believe. I personally have never had the nerve to try the

full
3 degrees.

Stage Three

By
adjusting the two forward lower stays, pull the centre of the mast forward by
half

its
diameter. This can be seen by stretching your plumbline tight against the rear

surface
of the mast just above the boom.

Stage Four

Take
up any slack in the after lower stays but do not over tighten. All the stays
apart

from
the aft lower stays should be tightened down hard taking care not to disturb

the
relative positions of the mast as set up in stages 1 to 3. I’ve never used a
stress

meter
on my rigging so cannot give you a figure to work to but I think most of us are

more
likely to under tighten than over tighten.

When
sailing close hauled in a moderate to strong breeze the leeward rigging

should
not sag apart from maybe some movement in the aft lower stays.

My
boat has certainly sailed better since getting Kaisers advice but to do really
well

you
need his skill and experience (as well as his unique ability to reduce all
weight

by
simply dumping most of the contents of his boat on the pontoon before racing.
It

is
alleged that his wife gave him a flask of coffee before the racing in Hundested

and
he poured the contents over the side before the race. I don’t believe this as I

know
he would have thrown the whole flask over the side.

Mike Freeman Vega
“Jenavive”

Windlass:I do without and am happy this way. The Vega originally has a completely sealed foredeck and I kept it that way. A windlass plus anchor and chain/rope adds substantial weight to the fore extremity which favors pitching.I store my 10 kg Delta plus 20 m chain (7 mm grade 40) plus 40 m rope (12 mm octoplait nylon) in a cockpit locker. When I need to drop anchor I do it from the stern, through a pulley mounted on the pushpit. I got used to fix the rope to one of the stern cleats. Anyway, once anchor and chain are in the water, it is fairly easy to transfer the rope to the foredeck anchor roller and pass through it, before fixing it to the respective cleat.I never faced situations of strong wind and waves at the moment I had to raise the anchor. As far as I remember I have hauled it with max 15-20 knots and some 50 cm waves. I am 53 and could manage without major stress. In case of stronger winds and higher waves, I would first try to haul it taking advantage of the pitching caused by the waves: recuperate when the stern is going down. Second, I would try to use the cockpit winch. Third, if unable or in a real hurry, I would drop it in the water, connected to a fender, and possibly recuperate it at a later stage.Hope this helps,marco From: "bundchen1263@... [AlbinVega]" <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com> To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017, 17:27 Subject: [AlbinVega] Rigging and windlass question.
 

I had a friend came over to survey my boat, who owns a 38 footer. He is a longtime boater, recent convert from motorboats to sailboats( sailboat owner for 6 years). Anyhow he suggested that i should hire a pro to setup or at least get some professional help to set up the rigging(first time for me on the vega). Prior to vega i did rig 17 and 22 footers(simple enough). Honestly the rigging of vega doesn\'t seem too complicated, there are huge online support between vega owners(always appreciated) and i am sort of a DIY type of guy not to mention. Should i follow his advise or try and learn by myself with the goal of reaching perfection for years to come?  He also pointed out that i should invest in a windlass. It is my understanding that most vega owners expected not to use windlass because of the size of the boat, weight of the anchor accordingly etc.I specifically remember one topic at cruising forum that unless -quote- you are small frame, you would have no problem handling an anchor on this boat. I have a reputation among my friends that they say i am strong and smart like a bull so i guess my frame is ok. Joke aside i am 41 years old with decent fitness level if that makes any difference. My sailing style mostly will be solo.  I expressed my opinions to him that most vega owners feel that a windlass is overkill. He responded that - ask them if they ever had to haul it in a hurry with the storm brewing overhead or against  a strong breeze. What do you think? I know there are lots of variables such as what kind of sailing you will do or location etc. but a general point of view to shape up my mind would help. thanks

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scholl.karoly · Mar 27, 2017

I had an interesting experience last year:On the Lake Balaton (Hungary, Europe) our home port was on the south shore. We sailed home in a 35-40kn blow, using the engine near the entrance the engine had a blackout. The leeshore was about 200 m from us, I had to put out the anchor (danforth, 10 kg). Thankfully it was enough. Within 15-20 minutes a rescue boat tried to towing us in, but we were unable to raise the anchor (2 capable man). It was a hard fight, but at the end with the assistance of the rescuers we succeeded. I deciced then to buy a manual windlass. The weight of a lofrans royal is about just 10 kgs, and the chain is already in the cockpit locker. If you are cruising with your wives/smaller children, I think a windlass could be a useful thing.2017.03.27. dátummal, 18:48 időpontban "Marco Baldan africanmarco@... [AlbinVega]" <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com> írta:

groundhogyh · Mar 27, 2017

i agree... run the boat for awhile. if you are begging for a windless then, get one. 27 ft boat anchor on a 5000 lb boat... hmm not so hard to pull up. Sent from my iPhone

pelagicasd · Mar 27, 2017

I totally concur. We\'ve used our windlass to kedge the boat off of a sandbar when we were aground. Sometimes you can bury the anchor so deep that you\'ll wreck your back trying to get it out. If this happens when you crank down on the windlass you bring the
bow of the boat down. The buoyancy of the boat then contributes to pulling the anchor out. Another time we had a hard pull up a river in the Sacramento River delta in California. We had snagged a waterlogged tree. All of a sudden our 7.5 kg anchor weighed
about 400 pounds. The windlass allowed us to get it up,  get a line on the tree and lower the anchor to unsnag it.                      Walt

From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Schöll Károly scholl.karoly@... [AlbinVega] <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:32 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Rigging and windlass question.
 

 

I had an interesting experience last year:
On the Lake Balaton (Hungary, Europe) our home port was on the south shore. We sailed home in a 35-40kn blow, using the engine near the entrance the engine had a blackout. The leeshore was about 200 m from us, I had to put out the anchor (danforth, 10
kg). Thankfully it was enough. Within 15-20 minutes a rescue boat tried to towing us in, but we were unable to raise the anchor (2 capable man). It was a hard fight, but at the end with the assistance of the rescuers we succeeded. I deciced then to buy a manual
windlass. The weight of a lofrans royal is about just 10 kgs, and the chain is already in the cockpit locker. If you are cruising with your wives/smaller children, I think a windlass could be a useful thing.

2017.03.27. dátummal, 18:48 időpontban "Marco Baldan
africanmarco@... [AlbinVega]" <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com> írta:

pelagicasd · Mar 27, 2017

Lyric's ground tackle

________________________________
From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com on behalf of walt judy brown allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 8:26 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Rigging and windlass question.
I totally concur. We've used our windlass to kedge the boat off of a sandbar when we were aground. Sometimes you can bury the anchor so deep that you'll wreck your back trying to get it out. If this happens when you crank down on the windlass you bring the bow of the boat down. The buoyancy of the boat then contributes to pulling the anchor out. Another time we had a hard pull up a river in the Sacramento River delta in California. We had snagged a waterlogged tree. All of a sudden our 7.5 kg anchor weighed about 400 pounds. The windlass allowed us to get it up, get a line on the tree and lower the anchor to unsnag it. Walt________________________________
From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Sch?ll K?roly scholl.karoly@... [AlbinVega] AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:32 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Rigging and windlass question.
I had an interesting experience last year:
On the Lake Balaton (Hungary, Europe) our home port was on the south shore. We sailed home in a 35-40kn blow, using the engine near the entrance the engine had a blackout. The leeshore was about 200 m from us, I had to put out the anchor (danforth, 10 kg). Thankfully it was enough. Within 15-20 minutes a rescue boat tried to towing us in, but we were unable to raise the anchor (2 capable man). It was a hard fight, but at the end with the assistance of the rescuers we succeeded. I deciced then to buy a manual windlass. The weight of a lofrans royal is about just 10 kgs, and the chain is already in the cockpit locker. If you are cruising with your wives/smaller children, I think a windlass could be a useful thing.

2017.03.27. d?tummal, 18:48 id?pontban "Marco Baldan africanmarco@...mailto:africanmarco@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.commailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com ?rta:
Hello fellow Vega sailors,

I am the lucky owner of Vega 3339 Spray (series III) purchased in 2012 in Holland and sailed by sea, most single-handed up to Venice-Italy. I keep sailing mainly single-handed. Here is my advice:

Rigging:
I have the system to raise and lower the mast so I regularly adjust the rigging, without any specialist, just following the advice published by other Vega sailors.
Here is one suggestion from VAGB newsletter 51:
Setting up your rigging
Those of you who have attended International Friendship Rallies in northern Europe
over the last 20 years will undoubtedly heard of Danish Club member Kaiser Fleming
and his Vega Racing prowess. If he hasn?t won all the races he?s entered, he
has won most of them. The only thing he doesn?t do is cross the North Sea so we in
England occasionally get a bit better chance of a win. Finally he has entered the
Racing Class so us mere mortals also get a chance of some silverware! When he
entered the Cruising Class (No Spinnaker) that left 5 mins after the start of the Racing
Class, he would still catch them up as well! He?s good, very good!
In 2006 I attended the IFR in Eckenforde and was lucky enough to get some valuable
advice from Kaiser on Rig set up. He scribbled some points in the back of my
logbook and I think I can interpret them. So here goesR..
Wait for a calm day with little movement from the water, moored alongside a pontoon
in a marina is ideal as you can occasionally walk away from the boat to get an
overall view of the rig. Rig all your stays relatively loosely. Hoist a light line to the
mast head and tie a weight to it just above the cabin roof to act as a plumb line.
Make sure the boat is not listing and is level on the water line. Fore and aft trim can
be checked by the screws set into the bow and stern on the ideal water line.
If you cannot find these floatation marks you can mark them as follows:
Forward mark is 1116 mm from the deck level measured down the stem and the Aft
mark is 350mm from the lowest point of the transom measured forward along the
centre line of the hull.
It is likely that your boat will not float to these marks because she will be heavier or
lighter than standard or the weight is unevenly distributed but they will give you an
idea of where you should be floating.
Stage one.
Centre the mast by adjusting the masthead stays and check that the plumb bob is
on the centre line.
Stage Two.
By adjusting the forestay and backstay rake the masthead backwards by between 1
and 3 degrees, (you can see that Kaiser was careful not to give me too precise instructions)
From the masthead to the Boom is 7.9 m according to the Vega handbook
so 1degree of rake would equal 14cms along the boom and 3degrees 41cms.
Don?t query the maths just believe. I personally have never had the nerve to try the
full 3 degrees.
Stage Three
By adjusting the two forward lower stays, pull the centre of the mast forward by half
its diameter. This can be seen by stretching your plumbline tight against the rear
surface of the mast just above the boom.
Stage Four
Take up any slack in the after lower stays but do not over tighten. All the stays apart
from the aft lower stays should be tightened down hard taking care not to disturb
the relative positions of the mast as set up in stages 1 to 3. I?ve never used a stress
meter on my rigging so cannot give you a figure to work to but I think most of us are
more likely to under tighten than over tighten.
When sailing close hauled in a moderate to strong breeze the leeward rigging
should not sag apart from maybe some movement in the aft lower stays.
My boat has certainly sailed better since getting Kaisers advice but to do really well
you need his skill and experience (as well as his unique ability to reduce all weight
by simply dumping most of the contents of his boat on the pontoon before racing. It
is alleged that his wife gave him a flask of coffee before the racing in Hundested
and he poured the contents over the side before the race. I don?t believe this as I
know he would have thrown the whole flask over the side.
Mike Freeman Vega ?Jenavive?

Windlass:
I do without and am happy this way. The Vega originally has a completely sealed foredeck and I kept it that way. A windlass plus anchor and chain/rope adds substantial weight to the fore extremity which favors pitching.
I store my 10 kg Delta plus 20 m chain (7 mm grade 40) plus 40 m rope (12 mm octoplait nylon) in a cockpit locker. When I need to drop anchor I do it from the stern, through a pulley mounted on the pushpit. I got used to fix the rope to one of the stern cleats. Anyway, once anchor and chain are in the water, it is fairly easy to transfer the rope to the foredeck anchor roller and pass through it, before fixing it to the respective cleat.
I never faced situations of strong wind and waves at the moment I had to raise the anchor. As far as I remember I have hauled it with max 15-20 knots and some 50 cm waves. I am 53 and could manage without major stress. In case of stronger winds and higher waves, I would first try to haul it taking advantage of the pitching caused by the waves: recuperate when the stern is going down. Second, I would try to use the cockpit winch. Third, if unable or in a real hurry, I would drop it in the water, connected to a fender, and possibly recuperate it at a later stage.

Hope this helps,
marco________________________________
From: "bundchen1263@...mailto:bundchen1263@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.commailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.commailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 March 2017, 17:27
Subject: [AlbinVega] Rigging and windlass question.I had a friend came over to survey my boat, who owns a 38 footer. He is a longtime boater, recent convert from motorboats to sailboats( sailboat owner for 6 years). Anyhow he suggested that i should hire a pro to setup or at least get some professional help to set up the rigging(first time for me on the vega). Prior to vega i did rig 17 and 22 footers(simple enough). Honestly the rigging of vega doesn't seem too complicated, there are huge online support between vega owners(always appreciated) and i am sort of a DIY type of guy not to mention. Should i follow his advise or try and learn by myself with the goal of reaching perfection for years to come?
He also pointed out that i should invest in a windlass. It is my understanding that most vega owners expected not to use windlass because of the size of the boat, weight of the anchor accordingly etc.I specifically remember one topic at cruising forum that unless -quote- you are small frame, you would have no problem handling an anchor on this boat. I have a reputation among my friends that they say i am strong and smart like a bull so i guess my frame is ok. Joke aside i am 41 years old with decent fitness level if that makes any difference. My sailing style mostly will be solo.
I expressed my opinions to him that most vega owners feel that a windlass is overkill. He responded that
- ask them if they ever had to haul it in a hurry with the storm brewing overhead or against a strong breeze.
What do you think? I know there are lots of variables such as what kind of sailing you will do or location etc. but a general point of view to shape up my mind would help. thanks

pelagicasd · Mar 27, 2017

tried to send a picture but it apparently didn\'t go. sorry

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Lyric\'s ground tackle

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I totally concur. We\'ve used our windlass to kedge the boat off of a sandbar when we were aground. Sometimes you can bury the anchor so deep that you\'ll wreck your back trying to get it out. If this happens when you crank down on the windlass you bring the
bow of the boat down. The buoyancy of the boat then contributes to pulling the anchor out. Another time we had a hard pull up a river in the Sacramento River delta in California. We had snagged a waterlogged tree. All of a sudden our 7.5 kg anchor weighed
about 400 pounds. The windlass allowed us to get it up,  get a line on the tree and lower the anchor to unsnag it.                      Walt

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I had an interesting experience last year:
On the Lake Balaton (Hungary, Europe) our home port was on the south shore. We sailed home in a 35-40kn blow, using the engine near the entrance the engine had a blackout. The leeshore was about 200 m from us, I had to put out the anchor (danforth, 10 kg).
Thankfully it was enough. Within 15-20 minutes a rescue boat tried to towing us in, but we were unable to raise the anchor (2 capable man). It was a hard fight, but at the end with the assistance of the rescuers we succeeded. I deciced then to buy a manual
windlass. The weight of a lofrans royal is about just 10 kgs, and the chain is already in the cockpit locker. If you are cruising with your wives/smaller children, I think a windlass could be a useful thing.

2017.03.27. dátummal, 18:48 idõpontban "Marco Baldan africanmarco@...<mailto:africanmarco@...> [AlbinVega]" <AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com<mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com>> írta:

Hello fellow Vega sailors,

I am the lucky owner of Vega 3339 Spray (series III) purchased in 2012 in Holland and sailed by sea, most single-handed up to Venice-Italy. I keep sailing mainly single-handed. Here is my advice:

Rigging:
I have the system to raise and lower the mast so I regularly adjust the rigging, without any specialist, just following the advice published by other Vega sailors.
Here is one suggestion from VAGB newsletter 51:
Setting up your rigging
Those of you who have attended International Friendship Rallies in northern Europe
over the last 20 years will undoubtedly heard of Danish Club member Kaiser Fleming
and his Vega Racing prowess. If he hasn’t won all the races he’s entered, he
has won most of them. The only thing he doesn’t do is cross the North Sea so we in
England occasionally get a bit better chance of a win. Finally he has entered the
Racing Class so us mere mortals also get a chance of some silverware! When he
entered the Cruising Class (No Spinnaker) that left 5 mins after the start of the Racing
Class, he would still catch them up as well! He’s good, very good!
In 2006 I attended the IFR in Eckenforde and was lucky enough to get some valuable
advice from Kaiser on Rig set up. He scribbled some points in the back of my
logbook and I think I can interpret them. So here goesR..
Wait for a calm day with little movement from the water, moored alongside a pontoon
in a marina is ideal as you can occasionally walk away from the boat to get an
overall view of the rig. Rig all your stays relatively loosely. Hoist a light line to the
mast head and tie a weight to it just above the cabin roof to act as a plumb line.
Make sure the boat is not listing and is level on the water line. Fore and aft trim can
be checked by the screws set into the bow and stern on the ideal water line.
If you cannot find these floatation marks you can mark them as follows:
Forward mark is 1116 mm from the deck level measured down the stem and the Aft
mark is 350mm from the lowest point of the transom measured forward along the
centre line of the hull.
It is likely that your boat will not float to these marks because she will be heavier or
lighter than standard or the weight is unevenly distributed but they will give you an
idea of where you should be floating.
Stage one.
Centre the mast by adjusting the masthead stays and check that the plumb bob is
on the centre line.
Stage Two.
By adjusting the forestay and backstay rake the masthead backwards by between 1
and 3 degrees, (you can see that Kaiser was careful not to give me too precise instructions)
From the masthead to the Boom is 7.9 m according to the Vega handbook
so 1degree of rake would equal 14cms along the boom and 3degrees 41cms.
Don’t query the maths just believe. I personally have never had the nerve to try the
full 3 degrees.
Stage Three
By adjusting the two forward lower stays, pull the centre of the mast forward by half
its diameter. This can be seen by stretching your plumbline tight against the rear
surface of the mast just above the boom.
Stage Four
Take up any slack in the after lower stays but do not over tighten. All the stays apart
from the aft lower stays should be tightened down hard taking care not to disturb
the relative positions of the mast as set up in stages 1 to 3. I’ve never used a stress
meter on my rigging so cannot give you a figure to work to but I think most of us are
more likely to under tighten than over tighten.
When sailing close hauled in a moderate to strong breeze the leeward rigging
should not sag apart from maybe some movement in the aft lower stays.
My boat has certainly sailed better since getting Kaisers advice but to do really well
you need his skill and experience (as well as his unique ability to reduce all weight
by simply dumping most of the contents of his boat on the pontoon before racing. It
is alleged that his wife gave him a flask of coffee before the racing in Hundested
and he poured the contents over the side before the race. I don’t believe this as I
know he would have thrown the whole flask over the side.
Mike Freeman Vega “Jenavive”

Windlass:
I do without and am happy this way. The Vega originally has a completely sealed foredeck and I kept it that way. A windlass plus anchor and chain/rope adds substantial weight to the fore extremity which favors pitching.
I store my 10 kg Delta plus 20 m chain (7 mm grade 40) plus 40 m rope (12 mm octoplait nylon) in a cockpit locker. When I need to drop anchor I do it from the stern, through a pulley mounted on the pushpit. I got used to fix the rope to one of the stern cleats.
Anyway, once anchor and chain are in the water, it is fairly easy to transfer the rope to the foredeck anchor roller and pass through it, before fixing it to the respective cleat.
I never faced situations of strong wind and waves at the moment I had to raise the anchor. As far as I remember I have hauled it with max 15-20 knots and some 50 cm waves. I am 53 and could manage without major stress. In case of stronger winds and higher waves,
I would first try to haul it taking advantage of the pitching caused by the waves: recuperate when the stern is going down. Second, I would try to use the cockpit winch. Third, if unable or in a real hurry, I would drop it in the water, connected to a fender,
and possibly recuperate it at a later stage.

Hope this helps,
marco

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Subject: [AlbinVega] Rigging and windlass question.

I had a friend came over to survey my boat, who owns a 38 footer. He is a longtime boater, recent convert from motorboats to sailboats( sailboat owner for 6 years). Anyhow he suggested that i should hire a pro to setup or at least get some professional help
to set up the rigging(first time for me on the vega). Prior to vega i did rig 17 and 22 footers(simple enough). Honestly the rigging of vega doesn\'t seem too complicated, there are huge online support between vega owners(always appreciated) and i am sort of
a DIY type of guy not to mention. Should i follow his advise or try and learn by myself with the goal of reaching perfection for years to come?
 He also pointed out that i should invest in a windlass. It is my understanding that most vega owners expected not to use windlass because of the size of the boat, weight of the anchor accordingly etc.I specifically remember one topic at cruising forum that
unless -quote- you are small frame, you would have no problem handling an anchor on this boat. I have a reputation among my friends that they say i am strong and smart like a bull so i guess my frame is ok. Joke aside i am 41 years old with decent fitness
level if that makes any difference. My sailing style mostly will be solo.
 I expressed my opinions to him that most vega owners feel that a windlass is overkill. He responded that
- ask them if they ever had to haul it in a hurry with the storm brewing overhead or against  a strong breeze.
 What do you think? I know there are lots of variables such as what kind of sailing you will do or location etc. but a general point of view to shape up my mind would help. thanks

pelagicasd · Mar 27, 2017

First of all, you don't need 5/16 chain. 5/16 BBB tests at 7600 lbs. for breaking strength and weighs 1.1 lb. per foot. 1/4" high test breaks at 7750 lbs. and weighs .75 lbs. per foot. Bigger anchors are not necessarily better. Read the charts. Lyric carries
a 7.5 kg or 16.5 lb. Bruce as a primary and a Fortress FX 11 as a backup anchor. We always back down on the anchor to make sure it sets. We only had one occasion where we couldn't get the Bruce to set. The bottom was just to weedy. At one anchorage where
we spent a few weeks there was another boat of about the same size as Lyric and they dragged regularly. They were using a 10 kg or 22 lb. Bruce. Our anchor buried itself and theirs would just fill up with a ball of mud and break free. Newer windlasses don't
take up much space and don't weight very much. Certainly if the 5/16 is what you have and your anchor weighs 25 lbs. you are only looking at 135 lbs. I wouldn't get rid of what you have unless you're financially well off. I tried posting some pictures earlier
along with more advice on anchoring but they didn't go through. Lastly your anchor chain should never be attached to the boat with out a line between the chain and the boat. If you ever have to leave urgently you can't cut through chain with a pocket knife.
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I have an iffy back and I've never had any trouble getting the anchor up. Couldn't imagine using a windlass.On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Tim Malone
alaskaflyfish@... [AlbinVega] AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:

scholl.karoly · Mar 27, 2017

I had an interesting experience last year:On the Lake Balaton (Hungary, Europe) our home port was on the south shore. We sailed home in a 35-40kn blow, using the engine near the entrance when the engine had a blackout. The leeshore was about 200 m from us, I had to drop the anchor (danforth, 10 kg). Thankfully it was enough. Within 15-20 minutes a rescue boat tried to towing us in, but we were unable to raise the anchor (2 capable man). It was a hard fight, but at the end with the assistance of the rescuers we succeeded. I deciced then to buy a manual windlass. The weight of a lofrans royal is just 9 kgs, and the chain is already in the cockpit locker. If you are cruising with your wife/smaller children, I think a windlass could be a useful thing. So I vote to have a windlass.

vega1860 · Mar 28, 2017

I'm in Alaska.Of course, Alaska is a big place...Just remember, rigging is not rocket science, especially on a small, simple cruising boat like the Vega. Follow the instructions in the owner's manual, use a little common sense and you can't go too far wrong. Lay on the deck and sight up the mast to make sure it is straight. Don't over tighten the shrouds.On the windlass, We've been carrying a windlass around for twenty years, meaning to install it one of these days. Now that I am getting older (68 in June) I may install it after all; but then again, Laura is still young and strong...d;^)Chuck RoseSV Lealea, V1860

groundhogyh · Mar 28, 2017

Walt just changed my mind. lol. I am now in favor of a windlass for emergency conditions. groundhogSent from my iPhone

Vega1447 · Mar 28, 2017

A dismountable windlass that you could use as an anchor in light conditions??

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