Hello everyone, I have a problem with my AB Dinghy that I am frustrated with. Since buying my boat, the Dinghy had a small nuisance hole in fabric where a handle use to be to. The previous owner probably tried to tow dinghy with this handle. Anyhow, last year, it tore open, and through various types of fixes that I tried, It is now near a 5" gash near where rub rail goes around for-peak. I contacted the only dinghy repair shop in our province over 2 hours from where I live. They said they are only authorized to repair Zodiac, and were not allowed to fix my dinghy even off the record. So After much pleading they sent out some fabric and glue. I put a 8 x 12 inner patch on, and similar outer patch and afterwards, put tuff coat overtop. But after out in the sun for a few hours the air expands and stretches the patch and starts to leak. Any help or suggestions. Please keep in mind that I live very remote and getting any supplies is difficult. I have spent several days tracking down Toluol. And Tuff coat said to use Xylene for thinning. Forget finding that product in this province. I have tried to follow directions as close as possible, but still no luck. I wish I could bring into shop but this is not possible. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Does anyone know if I can use a syringe to squeeze adhesive that will set up under patch to adheare. I even thought about using a household Iron to remelt rubber adhesive and hopefully get a better grip on the patches. HELP Please. Please see attached photos. Thanks, Jerry Belbin.
RIB tear repair. Help!!
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looks like about the toughest place to have to do a repair. geez.. when i talked to our boat sales person about if and when we get a leak, his advice was to clean with acetone and clean and clean and clean. canyou get a walker bay repair kit? locally?
how much cure time are you allowing? some of the best vulcanizers are slow cure. wish i knew more about it... jimbob
how much cure time are you allowing? some of the best vulcanizers are slow cure. wish i knew more about it... jimbob
you may have to patch also the neoprene under the hypolon--the patch would have to be done from inside---then fix the hypolon--make the inside patch like a backing plate--larger than necessary-and if you can get your hands on th e2 part inflatable glue--have someone send or bring to you?? is the most effective glue for these---goood luck. if you can get neoprene and 5200 might work, butt he cure time is forever...week.....might be quicker to have someone bring good stuff??/ i dont know your wilderness or availability situation.....the 2 part stuff doesnt come apart--5200 might--works best on pvc dinks but is adequate on hypolon. the pontoon replacement is over 1500 dollars as far as i remember and a coupla weeks downtime longer.....
Repair kits, glues, and solvents for PVC & hypalon boats: http://www.whitewaterdesigns.com/home/wd2/multilist_7/adhesives_solvents_repair__canoe_kits.html
kit looks like it might work for ye---isnt the one i use, but any 2 part adhesive that comes wuth its own cleaner is a true kit product--i use acetone, one of the other recommended cleaners--mek is also mentioned as a cleaner--lol the carcinogenic choices bend the brain...but acetone works if you dont want to use toluene or mek.....my patches lasted me over 4 yrs...gooodluck!!!!
yep zee, acetone is good for cleaning. two lab. techs. at the med told me acetone attacks the liver. be sure and glove up. getting the patch on the inside to lay flat sound like a chore and messy. gonna keep an eye on this one. jimbob
might also try to stich the tear before patching to keep it from pulling apart when it heats up from the sun. Use a good strong sail thread.
Thanks for the quick and knowledgeable responses.
I really appreciate all the knowledgeable responses. Sorry I am late responding, but was down at marina working on Mothership all day, and left dink by the house. Certainly give me much food for thought. I guess I will tear off the outside patch, and reapply with 2 part adhesive. Also the stitching idea seems great. Will let you all know the results. Appreciate everything, Jerry Belbin, flopster12000.
Re: Thanks for the quick and knowledgeable responses.
if the inside patch is holding, it seems possible to clean the area for another patch. even dig in and seperate the inside patch a little, enough to re-apply another inside patch useing the first as a backer. this would make three layers but i don't think looks are a prime concern right now..correct? just checking.. jimbob
if the inside patch is holding, it seems possible to clean the area for another patch. even dig in and seperate the inside patch a little, enough to re-apply another inside patch useing the first as a backer. this would make three layers but i don't think looks are a prime concern right now..correct? just checking.. jimbob
if the patchwork is done correctly there is no need to stitch thru a waterpruf rubberized cloth to cause air to escape..there is no reason to sew a patch on a hypalon boat--use the correct glue and prep it well and patch the neoprene layer in the caribe--place an outside patch over the outside of the tear and ta daa....fixed--let it cure as long as the 2 part glue says to set--is important..so is the cleaning prep.
the patches do not shrink or stretch in sun. they do not make a bubble in the boat the patches are of hypalon , same as the boat---i have never seen any hypalon patch bubble shrink or stretch. i have seen them fall off because the glue wasnt the correct glue, i have seen the patches peel off --another wrong glue deal--improper cleaning prep also makes the peeling of the patch happen ...
the patches do not shrink or stretch in sun. they do not make a bubble in the boat the patches are of hypalon , same as the boat---i have never seen any hypalon patch bubble shrink or stretch. i have seen them fall off because the glue wasnt the correct glue, i have seen the patches peel off --another wrong glue deal--improper cleaning prep also makes the peeling of the patch happen ...
I would suggest that you take it to a dealer and have it repaired. We have a Caribe that has a hole in it and it is going to need to have the fabric overlayed with a large piece of material .
Hypalon material is expensive, so you want to be be sure that it is done correctly the first time.
Hypalon material is expensive, so you want to be be sure that it is done correctly the first time.
it is very very easy to repaqir a hyp0alon caribe--i have done it therefore anyone can...is simple and easy if d one correctly. if not--iis a frustrating mayhem. direc5ions are easily followed and in this case,importantly so. i believe the option to take it to a dealer is not open to this sailor..being in a fairly isolated area..as he stated in his opener..
should be not a big problem to repair the caribe when done according to the instructions..as i said--if i can do it, a monkey can do it...LOL....so i have faith in our sailor....
should be not a big problem to repair the caribe when done according to the instructions..as i said--if i can do it, a monkey can do it...LOL....so i have faith in our sailor....
Has anyone ever considered the Clam Seal? The hole that grew to 5" in this case might be too big for it but for smaller holes this thing works fantastic. I have used them and I sell them.
http://www.bartonmarine.com/html/the_clamseal.htm
http://www.bartonmarine.com/html/the_clamseal.htm
Xylene and toluol
Tluol is a close relative of xylene and a reasonable substitute for thining (it is a better solvent). They are pretty nasty and xyxlene is a little safer than toluol and for that reason is often used in lieu of it.
Toluol (aka toluene) is a benzene ring with one methyl group on it while xylene has two methyl groups on it and is usually sold as xylenes (plural) as it will be a mix of different substitutions points (the ring is a hexagon with six attachement points so there are three potential isomers, across from each other, one space apart and next to each other).
Bob (the chemist)
Tluol is a close relative of xylene and a reasonable substitute for thining (it is a better solvent). They are pretty nasty and xyxlene is a little safer than toluol and for that reason is often used in lieu of it.
Toluol (aka toluene) is a benzene ring with one methyl group on it while xylene has two methyl groups on it and is usually sold as xylenes (plural) as it will be a mix of different substitutions points (the ring is a hexagon with six attachement points so there are three potential isomers, across from each other, one space apart and next to each other).
Bob (the chemist)
Jeesh,
patching a RIB is now a cancer risk?? Everything a person does today is a constant reminder that someone is looking out for my best interest.....NOT! Step away from being a nanny.
Not sure where you can move or what you can do to simply do something on your own anymore. With out some one pointing out your error, your risk or how it may kill some critter.....IT WILL.
Give me a break, if the OP can not read/understand the warnings on the material, then let Darwin win...
IF Henry Ford tried to build his car today, he would be thrown under the jail and litigated to death.
Cancer was here long before we had boats, and lived...and will likely be here a long time after...even those folks that make sunscreen seem to think that just MAYBE the link between skin cancer and sun IS THE BLOOMING chemicals in the product...
Now go fix that RIB, I am going to mix some West to patch a 34 year old canoe paddle, cause I am too cheap to buy a new one..
patching a RIB is now a cancer risk?? Everything a person does today is a constant reminder that someone is looking out for my best interest.....NOT! Step away from being a nanny.
Not sure where you can move or what you can do to simply do something on your own anymore. With out some one pointing out your error, your risk or how it may kill some critter.....IT WILL.
Give me a break, if the OP can not read/understand the warnings on the material, then let Darwin win...
IF Henry Ford tried to build his car today, he would be thrown under the jail and litigated to death.
Cancer was here long before we had boats, and lived...and will likely be here a long time after...even those folks that make sunscreen seem to think that just MAYBE the link between skin cancer and sun IS THE BLOOMING chemicals in the product...
Now go fix that RIB, I am going to mix some West to patch a 34 year old canoe paddle, cause I am too cheap to buy a new one..
Not really kd
Patching a RIB is not a cancer risk. Exposing ones self to these chemicals is. While we were doing bottom jobs on the boat, one of the chemicals we used was Xylene. One of the crew, who is a research geneticist, warned us about exposure to the Xylene and its harmful effects. Who would have known? We were grateful for the info and concern and took the appropriate steps to protect ourselves while putting a sleek race bottom on the boat. I only mention this for others who may also not be aware of the potential danger. You sound like you've got a great deal of pent up issues with folks trying to help. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend this stuff isn't harmful, by all means go ahead and 'sniff the stuff', it's your choice. I'm pointing this out to those who might think it's a good idea to be safe rather than sorry.
Cheers
Patching a RIB is not a cancer risk. Exposing ones self to these chemicals is. While we were doing bottom jobs on the boat, one of the chemicals we used was Xylene. One of the crew, who is a research geneticist, warned us about exposure to the Xylene and its harmful effects. Who would have known? We were grateful for the info and concern and took the appropriate steps to protect ourselves while putting a sleek race bottom on the boat. I only mention this for others who may also not be aware of the potential danger. You sound like you've got a great deal of pent up issues with folks trying to help. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend this stuff isn't harmful, by all means go ahead and 'sniff the stuff', it's your choice. I'm pointing this out to those who might think it's a good idea to be safe rather than sorry.
Cheers
Alan
Perhaps your friend has better information than what is available to us mortals, or to CDC.....I certainly am not saying it is good for you, but where have you found cancer causing..or toxic......idiots have been using it as an inhalant for years...
I have no pent up issues with help...it is the erroneous posting of supposition and hearsay as FACT that bothers me most.
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts71.html
and from that age old internet expert - wikipaedia:
Health effects
Xylene exhibits neurological effects. High levels from exposure for acute (14 days or less) or chronic periods (more than 1 year) can cause headaches, lack of muscle coordination, dizziness, confusion, and balance[citation needed] . Exposure of people to high levels of xylene for short periods can also cause irritation of the skin, eyes, nose, and throat, difficulty in breathing and other problems with the lungs, delayed reaction time, memory difficulties, stomach discomfort, and possibly adverse effects on the liver and kidneys. It can cause unconsciousness and even death at very high levels (see inhalants). Xylene or products containing Xylene should not be used indoors or around food. Xylene is not a controlled substance.
Studies of unborn animals indicate that high concentrations of xylene may cause increased numbers of deaths, and delayed growth and development.[citation needed] In many instances, these same concentrations also cause damage to the mothers. It is not yet known whether xylene harms the unborn fetus if the mother is exposed to low levels of xylene during pregnancy.
Besides occupational exposure, the principal pathway of human contact is via soil contamination from leaking underground storage tanks containing petroleum products. Humans who come into contact with the soil or groundwater may become affected. Use of contaminated groundwater as a water supply could lead to adverse health effects."
Perhaps your friend has better information than what is available to us mortals, or to CDC.....I certainly am not saying it is good for you, but where have you found cancer causing..or toxic......idiots have been using it as an inhalant for years...
I have no pent up issues with help...it is the erroneous posting of supposition and hearsay as FACT that bothers me most.
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts71.html
and from that age old internet expert - wikipaedia:
Health effects
Xylene exhibits neurological effects. High levels from exposure for acute (14 days or less) or chronic periods (more than 1 year) can cause headaches, lack of muscle coordination, dizziness, confusion, and balance[citation needed] . Exposure of people to high levels of xylene for short periods can also cause irritation of the skin, eyes, nose, and throat, difficulty in breathing and other problems with the lungs, delayed reaction time, memory difficulties, stomach discomfort, and possibly adverse effects on the liver and kidneys. It can cause unconsciousness and even death at very high levels (see inhalants). Xylene or products containing Xylene should not be used indoors or around food. Xylene is not a controlled substance.
Studies of unborn animals indicate that high concentrations of xylene may cause increased numbers of deaths, and delayed growth and development.[citation needed] In many instances, these same concentrations also cause damage to the mothers. It is not yet known whether xylene harms the unborn fetus if the mother is exposed to low levels of xylene during pregnancy.
Besides occupational exposure, the principal pathway of human contact is via soil contamination from leaking underground storage tanks containing petroleum products. Humans who come into contact with the soil or groundwater may become affected. Use of contaminated groundwater as a water supply could lead to adverse health effects."
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