Rewiring my 25?

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Dec 20, 2003
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Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
I have been unable to find a wiring diagram posted online. I think it might be best if I just start over with the circuit breaker and rewire everything. When I look at the back of my panel, I do not quite understand how the wires run off it to the different lights.

Any insight?
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
Oday 25 pittsburgh
Dave,
Just a note. The cabin light wiring and just about anything that goes forward is inbetween the deck and head liner and dificult to get to. I ran new wires to the bow lights, mast lights and stern lights. I also added m any cigarette lighter outlets in the V-berth and next to the panel and to all the electronics. I reused the cabin light wires. Too big of a headache to deal with.
r.w.landau
 
Sep 25, 2008
992
Oday 25 Gibraltar
I moved my breaker panel to the starboard side of the bulkhead and had to completely rewire the boat. The only wires in place were the cabin lights, nav lights and steaming light (there were no other wires in place so I guess you had to special order the anchor light before the boat was built). I only had four breakers so I added two more. I needed an anchor light, windex light and accessories. I also had to run a coax for the antenna. I added a breaker for the shore power with a 110v outlet and a battery charger.

Rich
 

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Dec 20, 2003
1,509
Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
How does the breaker work? Does it break the path of positive or negative? It is wired unlike any breaker I have looked at and I did not have my volt meter with me when I was looking at it.
 

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Dec 20, 2003
1,509
Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
Thanks, I need to abandon all the old wire and run new. I am not a fan of the wire connected together to go to different loads the way they are and will probably add a small terminal forward on the boat from the breaker so the wires will still go to the loads but from a terminal instead of wires joined together.
 
Oct 10, 2009
1,100
Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
Thanks, I need to abandon all the old wire and run new. I am not a fan of the wire connected together to go to different loads the way they are and will probably add a small terminal forward on the boat from the breaker so the wires will still go to the loads but from a terminal instead of wires joined together.
Would you mind posting some pics of the work when you are done?
 

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Dec 20, 2003
1,509
Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
I will but I am on hold for more sailboat money until August. My wife does not like how much has been quietly going into the boat this month......shhhhhhhhh.
 
Oct 10, 2009
1,100
Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
I will but I am on hold for more sailboat money until August. My wife does not like how much has been quietly going into the boat this month......shhhhhhhhh.
Roger that- we are under a similar budget freeze. :)
 
Mar 21, 2008
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Oday 25 Milwaukee
When I bought my 25 several years back the previous owners took the negative wires and used them to power yet another device. "Fuses"? you gotta be kidding me!
I decided to tear everything out and start over. This way I knew it had been done correctly.I also knew how it was done. I also added another breaker panel.
The rewiring was more time consuming then anything.
 
Oct 2, 2008
1,424
Island Packet 31 Brunswick, Ga
Thanks, I need to abandon all the old wire and run new. I am not a fan of the wire connected together to go to different loads the way they are and will probably add a small terminal forward on the boat from the breaker so the wires will still go to the loads but from a terminal instead of wires joined together.
Get the little don casey book on "sailboat electrics" if you don't already have it.
I really enjoyed the wiring part of the project. I ran the wires forward along that little lip along the bottom of the overhead line (mine is solid molded fiberglass, i guess yours is too?). That project had my climbing into and pocking my way around every little nook and crannie on the boat.
Let me point out a couple of things that surprised me, a couple of mistakes I made, and things i would do different: all these are regarding the 12 volt system:
1. all the ground (neg) wires run to a bus and connect there. then the buss is connected to the negative post of the battery by a cable. likewise the positive/ red cable from the battery connects to one side of the little oday fuse/switch plate under the gangway, then the positive wires take off from there. If you draw that out on paper you will see what i mean.
a. i found that my mast wire and my pulpit bow light ran off the switchplate to port, and the cabin lights and the stern light ran off the switch plate to starboard. the mast wires and the bow light is imbeded into the liner, and will have to be abandoned and new wire run along the edge of the cabin liner. you may meet a block at your bulkheads, i was able to get by mine as i had not completed there tabbing in yet. the wire pull came in very hand there.
2. all components are connected in parallel, not series. except the last one on the circuit, which is connected in series (which is really parallel since it is the last)
3. then all the negative run back to the bus, of course.
4. Don't bother to try to take the wire out of your pulpit and rear rail unless you are sure you have too i.e. the wire is definately broken somewhere in there, it is a bitch.

Stuff i found very helpful:
1 The don casey book.
2 multimeter to check ohms and one of those wire pullers.
3 ratchet crimper and ratchet striper....I got them online, let me see if i can find the web site, : heck i can't, but i am pretty sure i did it on amazon, very good investment,,,beats the living hell outa the pocket knife and crimper method. and you want the best connection possible. It took me a few times to figure out the crimper, but now i make a perfect connection (almost) every time!
The cheapest boat cable/wire and fasteners i could find, at the time, were at:

http://shop.genuinedealz.com/Marine Grade Wire/

I used 16 guage cuz it is cheaper, Even though the voltage drop was a little close, i knew i would not be running all loads on the circuit at once, and i knew that i would slowely be swapping over to LED. I didn't go with LED initially because it was a heck of a lot more since i was replacing all fixtures.

Mistakes, I put liquid tape into my connectors after crimping them. but it makes them not work as the liquid leaches into the wire and insulates them I from each other. I had to redo those connections. I used heat shrink connectors also. Another mistake i made was to think i had to use something called "three way heat shrink butt splice" to wire my parallel circuits. dont, they are expensive at over a buck a peice and the little connector in the middle is a source of "non-conductivity" instead use "crimp wire joints", and go with oversize of maybe 112 to 14 g since you are joinning three wires. you can get about 10 for the price of one three way.

i.e. NOT:http://shop.genuinedealz.com/Items/...eat Shrink Butt Splice 16-14 AWG - Blue - 2pk
but use:http://shop.genuinedealz.com/Items/... Joint 25pk {MIN: 2@#18 awg}{MAX: 2@#16 awg }
whew, my fingers are tired!!
 

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Jun 12, 2010
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Oday 22 Orleans Marina, NOLA
Another mistake i made was to think i had to use something called "three way heat shrink butt splice" to wire my parallel circuits. dont, they are expensive at over a buck a peice and the little connector in the middle is a source of "non-conductivity"
It didn't work because that's a flux capacitor. It's used in time travel, I think. :D

I'm rewiring my boat also, I'll post before and after pics in about a week when I'm done, but I'm going from a tangled mat of wires and switches on the cabin sole to a fuse panel with battery tester and selector switch.

I was looking at those heat shrink gizmos (not the flux capacitor type) but I'm glad you talked me out of it. I'm opting to just solder everything.
 

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