Good Luck and Godspeed, do be sure to
check the rest of your thru hulls at earliest opportunity.
check the rest of your thru hulls at earliest opportunity.
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Cleat Repair........READ, READ, READ !!!!!!
This is a CRITICAL repair. DO NOT LISTEN TO ADVICE from well meaning bystanders. Get some reading material from the library on fiberglass repair and also West Systems Epoxy (Gougeon Brothers) has excellent books, small pamphlets and videos on fiberglass repair. This is a high stress area, i work in boat yards from time to time and have built and rebuilt many boats, i know what i'm talking about. This type of repair is too lengthy to describe on this forum and would require several sketches and photos. It is not a difficult repair, jus one that requires some knowledge. Also glad that engine is OK, I thought it would be.
This is a CRITICAL repair. DO NOT LISTEN TO ADVICE from well meaning bystanders. Get some reading material from the library on fiberglass repair and also West Systems Epoxy (Gougeon Brothers) has excellent books, small pamphlets and videos on fiberglass repair. This is a high stress area, i work in boat yards from time to time and have built and rebuilt many boats, i know what i'm talking about. This type of repair is too lengthy to describe on this forum and would require several sketches and photos. It is not a difficult repair, jus one that requires some knowledge. Also glad that engine is OK, I thought it would be.
explain
Salt water is supposed to be a presevative. They use to pack salt in the holds and voids of wooden boats to preserve them. So why the big deal to get salt out of the interior of this boat? I can grasp the reason for cleaning the electrnics, wiring, and anything metal (not protected). And cleaning the cushions and such. But the rest of eveything?
Salt water is supposed to be a presevative. They use to pack salt in the holds and voids of wooden boats to preserve them. So why the big deal to get salt out of the interior of this boat? I can grasp the reason for cleaning the electrnics, wiring, and anything metal (not protected). And cleaning the cushions and such. But the rest of eveything?
Why get rid of salt?
Simple answer. On the next high-humidity or wet day, it will suck in moisture and deposit it on everything!
Simple answer. On the next high-humidity or wet day, it will suck in moisture and deposit it on everything!
Tomh, Sea water is
about thirty parts per thousand salt of various kinds, mostly sodium chloride. If you mix two tables spoons of salt into a quart of water you get an approximation of sea water. Now if you place a spoonful of this on anything made of low alloy steel you will have lots of rust in twenty-four hours. If you spill some a let it dry you will have salt crystals where the puddle was. It attracts moisture in the air and if you pick it up on your hands or clothes it will transfer to everything you touch. If you spray it into the air some of the mist will evaporate before it all falls and then you will have an aerosol of salt crystals that will drift like smoke. People that keep boats in salt water much maintain very good house keeping to control where to salt goes.
about thirty parts per thousand salt of various kinds, mostly sodium chloride. If you mix two tables spoons of salt into a quart of water you get an approximation of sea water. Now if you place a spoonful of this on anything made of low alloy steel you will have lots of rust in twenty-four hours. If you spill some a let it dry you will have salt crystals where the puddle was. It attracts moisture in the air and if you pick it up on your hands or clothes it will transfer to everything you touch. If you spray it into the air some of the mist will evaporate before it all falls and then you will have an aerosol of salt crystals that will drift like smoke. People that keep boats in salt water much maintain very good house keeping to control where to salt goes.
TomH
Salt is a preservative to some things and HIGHLY CORROSIVE to others. While it will pickle and preserve wood, it will eat away steel. Paul Akers and Ross are both right....the salt in the air and the salt residue left in confined areas will eventually find its way into the electronic and electrical equipment as well as the steel components on your engine, for one thing.
Salt is a preservative to some things and HIGHLY CORROSIVE to others. While it will pickle and preserve wood, it will eat away steel. Paul Akers and Ross are both right....the salt in the air and the salt residue left in confined areas will eventually find its way into the electronic and electrical equipment as well as the steel components on your engine, for one thing.
on the engine
Looks like you have a lot of aluminum parts, if possible I would start cleaning the areas that aluminum and iron come together right away, looks like you have aluminum crystals forming already, if you can't get to it right away, at least hose it down with fresh water as much as possible. all in all, it actualy looks like a good cleaning will set you right. There are lots of sites on restoring old boats that will have good info on repairing the deck where the cleat pulled up, looks hard, but realy the hardest part will be in reaching the backside. Have to do the same type repair where someone cut an oak tree so it fell in the water and accross the bow of my boat, took out my rear stantion, luckily I had the gate open, or it may have caused a lot more damage. You're in better shape than I was when I first bought my boat, it had water in it enough that the engine oil was a scum line all around the inner hull, Found two fantastic cleaners for everything, castrol super clean, and purple power, both are pretty much the same stuff, purple power is about $2. cheapewr per gallon, put a quart of super clean in a two gallon garden sprayer, filled the rest with water, sprayed everything down climbed up to grab my scrub brush, and the bilge and everything else was spotless when I climbed back in, only had to realy scrub the area under the cockpit, I make sure I grab that stuff whenever I have anything nasty to clean now. some pics here: www.geocities.com/merc2dogs Haven't updated for a while, but she looks MUCH better now, only way you'd know it was the same boat is the color. Yeah, most people told me I was a fool for buying Her, paid $1000 total, but came with the cradle and registration etc, much less than yours, but more work too, and I wouldn't consider it a mistake. Ken
Looks like you have a lot of aluminum parts, if possible I would start cleaning the areas that aluminum and iron come together right away, looks like you have aluminum crystals forming already, if you can't get to it right away, at least hose it down with fresh water as much as possible. all in all, it actualy looks like a good cleaning will set you right. There are lots of sites on restoring old boats that will have good info on repairing the deck where the cleat pulled up, looks hard, but realy the hardest part will be in reaching the backside. Have to do the same type repair where someone cut an oak tree so it fell in the water and accross the bow of my boat, took out my rear stantion, luckily I had the gate open, or it may have caused a lot more damage. You're in better shape than I was when I first bought my boat, it had water in it enough that the engine oil was a scum line all around the inner hull, Found two fantastic cleaners for everything, castrol super clean, and purple power, both are pretty much the same stuff, purple power is about $2. cheapewr per gallon, put a quart of super clean in a two gallon garden sprayer, filled the rest with water, sprayed everything down climbed up to grab my scrub brush, and the bilge and everything else was spotless when I climbed back in, only had to realy scrub the area under the cockpit, I make sure I grab that stuff whenever I have anything nasty to clean now. some pics here: www.geocities.com/merc2dogs Haven't updated for a while, but she looks MUCH better now, only way you'd know it was the same boat is the color. Yeah, most people told me I was a fool for buying Her, paid $1000 total, but came with the cradle and registration etc, much less than yours, but more work too, and I wouldn't consider it a mistake. Ken
Neil,
That's a 2QM15, the best thing to do would be to pull it out. It's only 12 bolts, the exhaust hose the intake hose, the battery cables and harness to the panel and fuel line. Take it to a car wash and scrub it down with HOT water and soap. The engine and trans need to be flushed then filled to capacity with a mix of diesel and oil. I spaek of capacity in total volume. Get as much in there as you can. let it ride around in your truck for a day or two to mix around, drain it out and refill to the correct levels and run it on land before reinstalling. BE SURE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT TRANS!!!!!!!!! Spliting the trans from the engine to address the flexplate coupler wouldn't be a bad idea either. You could always put it on a pallet and send it to me. Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, Ga imd_ga@hotmail.com
That's a 2QM15, the best thing to do would be to pull it out. It's only 12 bolts, the exhaust hose the intake hose, the battery cables and harness to the panel and fuel line. Take it to a car wash and scrub it down with HOT water and soap. The engine and trans need to be flushed then filled to capacity with a mix of diesel and oil. I spaek of capacity in total volume. Get as much in there as you can. let it ride around in your truck for a day or two to mix around, drain it out and refill to the correct levels and run it on land before reinstalling. BE SURE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT TRANS!!!!!!!!! Spliting the trans from the engine to address the flexplate coupler wouldn't be a bad idea either. You could always put it on a pallet and send it to me. Pat McCartin Inland Marine Diesel Buford, Ga imd_ga@hotmail.com
super clean/purple power
not sure if it's the same stuff, just did a search, and came up with a few sites, normally I get super clean at the auto parts stores, purple power from the supermarket, super clean can be picked up in spray bottles or gallon jugs, I've only seen purple power in gallons, haven't seen any difference in operation, so normally grab purple. I've used it everywhere on boats and cars, doesn't stink like a lot of cleaners, so closed spaces aren't a real problem. ken.
not sure if it's the same stuff, just did a search, and came up with a few sites, normally I get super clean at the auto parts stores, purple power from the supermarket, super clean can be picked up in spray bottles or gallon jugs, I've only seen purple power in gallons, haven't seen any difference in operation, so normally grab purple. I've used it everywhere on boats and cars, doesn't stink like a lot of cleaners, so closed spaces aren't a real problem. ken.
Ted how true!
I'm a little late today. I'm referring to your post: "I didn't mean to denigrate the value of a sound hull with a little seasoning. I'm not that young myself, I think your materials list gives an idea of the rather large job ahead for Neil. Ross, You & Fred both knew what you had and where you had to go & it made sense for you to make the effort to get there. I got the impression Neil hadn't had the boat long, there was some question as to condition before the submersion (no survey,hull condition, etc.). I just hate to see people get into a longterm boat building project when they just wanted to go sailing. By the time the boat's done so are they." Our known sound hull made our project feasible. Now whether it was financially smart is another issue. Half of my old electronics like the ham radio and radar etc was recycled, well, maybe not half. I only 'rebuilt' the engine. Recycled most of the water-maker and the refer, worked 3+ years, didn't have to leave my back yard much and still spent $66,000-plus! Clearly, emotion and the desire to make my boat 'my way' played a Major role in the rebuild. Now if I just didn't blow away too much of my 'chassis'.
I'm a little late today. I'm referring to your post: "I didn't mean to denigrate the value of a sound hull with a little seasoning. I'm not that young myself, I think your materials list gives an idea of the rather large job ahead for Neil. Ross, You & Fred both knew what you had and where you had to go & it made sense for you to make the effort to get there. I got the impression Neil hadn't had the boat long, there was some question as to condition before the submersion (no survey,hull condition, etc.). I just hate to see people get into a longterm boat building project when they just wanted to go sailing. By the time the boat's done so are they." Our known sound hull made our project feasible. Now whether it was financially smart is another issue. Half of my old electronics like the ham radio and radar etc was recycled, well, maybe not half. I only 'rebuilt' the engine. Recycled most of the water-maker and the refer, worked 3+ years, didn't have to leave my back yard much and still spent $66,000-plus! Clearly, emotion and the desire to make my boat 'my way' played a Major role in the rebuild. Now if I just didn't blow away too much of my 'chassis'.
fred, You're welcome and deserving
With Bietzpadlin it seemed like everytime I was down to the bones I'd find something else that wasn't right. I took that poor boat apart for two years before I started to strenghten and rebuild. My sweet wife wondered if we were just going to end up sweeping the rest into a pile and shoveling it into the dump.
With Bietzpadlin it seemed like everytime I was down to the bones I'd find something else that wasn't right. I took that poor boat apart for two years before I started to strenghten and rebuild. My sweet wife wondered if we were just going to end up sweeping the rest into a pile and shoveling it into the dump.
And back to Neil.
Thank you for sharing your misfortune. Looking at your slide show just makes me want to squirt fresh water at the pictures. Whew! I wouldn't be in too big of a hurry to dry her out. I would be hosing her down for a while yet. But maybe you are. I'm little behind in my reading. It's my wifes fault.
Thank you for sharing your misfortune. Looking at your slide show just makes me want to squirt fresh water at the pictures. Whew! I wouldn't be in too big of a hurry to dry her out. I would be hosing her down for a while yet. But maybe you are. I'm little behind in my reading. It's my wifes fault.
Ross, That was the easy part.
We didn't mess with trying to save the wood. We just ripped it out and stacked it in part of the garage. Then cleaned the hull and started putting stuff back, in reverse order. But not the same stuff. Each wood part was used as a pattern for a new part (where applicable) then thrown on the burn pile and torched. We can do that here. Very little wood was reused. Couldn't.
We didn't mess with trying to save the wood. We just ripped it out and stacked it in part of the garage. Then cleaned the hull and started putting stuff back, in reverse order. But not the same stuff. Each wood part was used as a pattern for a new part (where applicable) then thrown on the burn pile and torched. We can do that here. Very little wood was reused. Couldn't.
Origional Poster - So I should hose down w/fresh?
I moved the boat today, and hosed the engine with fresh water. Is the advise to just completely hose down the interior with fresh water....then dry? She is somewhat 'dry' now, and I'm running fan/dehunidifiers. I have NO problem getting in there with a hose and soaking it down with fresh water (like the engine) and dry it out again. The big question now:....to sell on ebay (I'd probably pull 3-4k) and buy another. Or to drop this 4k into the existing. By-the-way....she sailed great today! lol
I moved the boat today, and hosed the engine with fresh water. Is the advise to just completely hose down the interior with fresh water....then dry? She is somewhat 'dry' now, and I'm running fan/dehunidifiers. I have NO problem getting in there with a hose and soaking it down with fresh water (like the engine) and dry it out again. The big question now:....to sell on ebay (I'd probably pull 3-4k) and buy another. Or to drop this 4k into the existing. By-the-way....she sailed great today! lol
Yes Neil, Like the guys have said, the salt
HAS GOT TO GO! The only place, inside the boat that can tolerate it is the bilge. Rinse several times. You will not be able to live in a salt stained boat. It'll be of no value except as a day-sailor and that won't be much fun. Hit it. Wiring terminals, alternator too. P.S. It sounds like I should mention that the best thing for your topsides after a sail is a fresh water rinse. We have a deck hose fitting so we can wash down at anchor while cruising. The water maker makes enough fresh water ( 50 gallons an hour) that we never run out while rinsing the boat. One more thing, your dehumidifiers will never work as long as salt remains. The salt won't let go of the moisture. Your boat will always be clammy and well,,uky. Oh, then the bugs grow.
HAS GOT TO GO! The only place, inside the boat that can tolerate it is the bilge. Rinse several times. You will not be able to live in a salt stained boat. It'll be of no value except as a day-sailor and that won't be much fun. Hit it. Wiring terminals, alternator too. P.S. It sounds like I should mention that the best thing for your topsides after a sail is a fresh water rinse. We have a deck hose fitting so we can wash down at anchor while cruising. The water maker makes enough fresh water ( 50 gallons an hour) that we never run out while rinsing the boat. One more thing, your dehumidifiers will never work as long as salt remains. The salt won't let go of the moisture. Your boat will always be clammy and well,,uky. Oh, then the bugs grow.
Dont Give Up Yet
I should think that a 33 Hunter in running condition and with decent sails should still bring 6-7K. Whether you decide to sell or not depends on what you want. I have had 2 project boats in my lifetime and now looking back on the time lost in not sailing, it wasnt worth it to me and I will never do it again. On the other hand I think Fred rebuilt a boat and so did Ross. I believe that to them, it definately was worth it. I have a few friends that enjoy working on their boats as much as sailing. But thats them and not me. Its a personal choice. Keep in mind though, a sinking does not a project boat make. Some damage is repairable and some is not. What you need is a knowledgeable friend that can go through the boat with you and give an accurate estimate of time and money to bring her up to par. Then and only then will you be able to come up with a good decision. Its all about time....it seems like you can still sail her while working on projects. Thats a good thing, AND MONEY....estimating costs to rebuild her and still not investing more than she can ever be sold for. Your boat in reasonable condition with a decent amount of upgrades will bring 15-$18,000. you already paid $5k for the boat and probably another $1k to get her raised. Now if you could get her in good shape within the next 2 years and not spend more than another $10 - $12K , you should be OK. Just be careful in estimating, whatever you estimate the time and cost, no matter how dilligent you have been ...triple it!!! On the other hand, if you could sell it for $6k. maybe you could use that for a downpayment on another Hunter 33, and get insurance. I just lost a boat in Katrina, and I'm glad i had insurance, never thought i would ever need it though. Whatever you decide.....Enjoy.
I should think that a 33 Hunter in running condition and with decent sails should still bring 6-7K. Whether you decide to sell or not depends on what you want. I have had 2 project boats in my lifetime and now looking back on the time lost in not sailing, it wasnt worth it to me and I will never do it again. On the other hand I think Fred rebuilt a boat and so did Ross. I believe that to them, it definately was worth it. I have a few friends that enjoy working on their boats as much as sailing. But thats them and not me. Its a personal choice. Keep in mind though, a sinking does not a project boat make. Some damage is repairable and some is not. What you need is a knowledgeable friend that can go through the boat with you and give an accurate estimate of time and money to bring her up to par. Then and only then will you be able to come up with a good decision. Its all about time....it seems like you can still sail her while working on projects. Thats a good thing, AND MONEY....estimating costs to rebuild her and still not investing more than she can ever be sold for. Your boat in reasonable condition with a decent amount of upgrades will bring 15-$18,000. you already paid $5k for the boat and probably another $1k to get her raised. Now if you could get her in good shape within the next 2 years and not spend more than another $10 - $12K , you should be OK. Just be careful in estimating, whatever you estimate the time and cost, no matter how dilligent you have been ...triple it!!! On the other hand, if you could sell it for $6k. maybe you could use that for a downpayment on another Hunter 33, and get insurance. I just lost a boat in Katrina, and I'm glad i had insurance, never thought i would ever need it though. Whatever you decide.....Enjoy.
well,
"The big question now:....to sell on ebay (I'd probably pull 3-4k) and buy another. Or to drop this 4k into the existing." 3k for a Cherubini 33, in a New York min.
"The big question now:....to sell on ebay (I'd probably pull 3-4k) and buy another. Or to drop this 4k into the existing." 3k for a Cherubini 33, in a New York min.
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