Respirator?

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BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
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S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Too late for me! Sanded last weekend sans mask. Oh well...I did wear it when I was playing with Xylene later that day. My Great Uncle used to knock asbestos off pipes at at the old Monsanto Plant in MA...died of asbestosis...not a way you want to go beleive me.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Well, if you keel over today, can I have your boat... I know a PYT who would like a nice little monohull.... ;)

Asbestos is nasty stuff.

Too late for me! Sanded last weekend sans mask. Oh well...I did wear it when I was playing with Xylene later that day. My Great Uncle used to knock asbestos off pipes at at the old Monsanto Plant in MA...died of asbestosis...not a way you want to go beleive me.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
A reasonably priced respirator will keep you healthy. With that at stake any price is reasonable. For the paint dust the very best 3m paper masks from McMaster-Carr work very well at about 5 dollars each. We cleaned lead paint, broken plaster, 30 years of bird droppings from an old house last fall. We worked for nearly two months changing masks every day and washing our googles to remove the dust. No one was coughing at the end of the day.. If you wet sand you can reduce the dust to nearly zero.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
IIRC, according to one paper I read, the paper masks let about 40% of the dust through, regardless of how well they fit... they're just not very good. Given that they're basically good for one use, and a full-face unit can be re-used over and over, and the filters work far better, the price for a full-face unit is really quite reasonable.

A reasonably priced respirator will keep you healthy. With that at stake any price is reasonable. For the paint dust the very best 3m paper masks from McMaster-Carr work very well at about 5 dollars each. We cleaned lead paint, broken plaster, 30 years of bird droppings from an old house last fall. We worked for nearly two months changing masks every day and washing our googles to remove the dust. No one was coughing at the end of the day.. If you wet sand you can reduce the dust to nearly zero.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Depends on the amount of use.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
True, but most boat owners I know would definitely save money, be more comfortable, and have fewer health problems with a full face respirator.

A good FAQ to read is located HERE.

Another good article is here.
Depends on the amount of use.
 
Sep 25, 2008
992
Oday 25 Gibraltar
Believe me, it doesn't pay to be cavalier with your health.
Another safety equipment link- http://www.magidglove.com/

Last summer I bought a box of disposable coveralls. Great for glass and bottom work. Also nice to have one or two in the trunk in case of emergency.

Rich
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
For the paint dust the very best 3m paper masks from McMaster-Carr work very well at about 5 dollars each. We cleaned lead paint, broken plaster, 30 years of bird droppings from an old house last fall. We worked for nearly two months changing masks every day
Wow that's about $300.00 in disposable masks for each person for one project. The filters on my 3M last for a loooooong time before they need changing and I have about a third of what you spent invested in my full face that has been used on multiple jobs not just one. Plus with a simple switch of the filters I can work with acids, bleach and other noxious gasses. In fact I was just using some acids in the engine compartment the other day and never smelled a thing even in a tightly confined space...


Depends on the amount of use.

Two months at $5.00 per day, by your own admission, would have bought a full face respirator for three people for the price of just one persons disposables. Am I missing something or has you lost his penny pinching edge..?:D
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I'd point out that one of my full-face respirator masks is over seven years old... and still going strong. I retired one that was almost 15 years old last season because I couldn't get filters for it any more...
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Wow that's about $300.00 in disposable masks for each person for one project. The filters on my 3M last for a loooooong time before they need changing and I have about a third of what you spent invested in my full face that has been used on multiple jobs not just one. Plus with a simple switch of the filters I can work with acids, bleach and other noxious gasses. In fact I was just using some acids in the engine compartment the other day and never smelled a thing even in a tightly confined space...





Two months at $5.00 per day, by your own admission, would have bought a full face respirator for three people for the price of just one persons disposables. Am I missing something or has you lost his penny pinching edge..?:D
It was a T&M +10 per cent job.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Yes, but if you had bought the real full-face respirators, you could have probably expensed them as Materials and had the mask to keep afterwards.
It was a T&M +10 per cent job.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Exactly what I was thinking...;)
Would still need new cartridges and what do they cost?

edit to add: also take respirator home each day and wash the sweat and dust off. Does the worker do this on his own time or do I pay wages for that? Replace lens when it is too scratched to be servicable, price?
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Would still need new cartridges and what do they cost?

edit to add: also take respirator home each day and wash the sweat and dust off. Does the worker do this on his own time or do I pay wages for that? Replace lens when it is too scratched to be servicable, price?
safty gear is usually the employers responsability and the cost should be included in the contract price under tools and supplies or in cost plus materials to the customer unless you can negoitate a deal with the employee and get a hold harmless agreement signed by the employee stating that he or she has wave the required saftey gear and will supply his or her own...then hope and pray that they have no injuries while working for you sort term or long term...the best way to cover your bohonkus is the furnish the gear and requir them to are it ....

regards

woody



ps safty is the majior requirement this day and time and the profit is secondary in the contract world ...with all the ambulance chasing lawyers out there now
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
It depends on what type of respirator cartridge you need. Whether it is acid fume, VOC or both capable, whether you need the particulates filter as well as the vapor cartridge, etc.

A set of filters is typically about $8.50 for a pair of VOC/Acid fume vapor filters and another $7 for a pair of the P100 particulate filters. I'd point out that a disposable dust mask is only the equivalent of a pair of P95 filters if you're lucky...and that the P95/P100 filters on the 6000 series 3M full-face mask are good for about FORTY HOURS of use or so, rather than the eight or so the disposables are, so you'd need FIVE of the disposables to replace one set for the full-face mask variety.

The masks are easy enough to rinse off and that only takes a few minutes. If you're going to be using the full-face mask respirators in an abrasive environ, you can get plastic shields that adhere to the mask to protect the actual faceplate from abrasion, chemicals, etc. The lens itself is also replaceable, but I don't know the cost as I've not had to do that.


Would still need new cartridges and what do they cost?

edit to add: also take respirator home each day and wash the sweat and dust off. Does the worker do this on his own time or do I pay wages for that? Replace lens when it is too scratched to be servicable, price?
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,338
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
that the P95/P100 filters on the 6000 series 3M full-face mask are good for about FORTY HOURS of use or so, rather than the eight or so the disposables are, so you'd need FIVE of the disposables to replace one set for the full-face mask variety.
Very misleading. The lifetime of a cartridge or filter is a function of only one thing - the load. A high concentration environment will create a much higher load thereby shortening the effective duration it is effective. Don't ever equate efficacy with time. The actual "break-through" time can be measured in seconds under extreme condition. Regardless of what anyone say suggest, when using a respirator, always be mindful of what your nose tells you.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Very misleading. The lifetime of a cartridge or filter is a function of only one thing - the load. A high concentration environment will create a much higher load thereby shortening the effective duration it is effective. Don't ever equate efficacy with time. The actual "break-through" time can be measured in seconds under extreme condition. Regardless of what anyone say suggest, when using a respirator, always be mindful of what your nose tells you.
Don, Very well said! there were short periods when the dust was do thick coming from the dumping chute to the dumpster that local farmers stopped to check for fire. The debris consisted of sand, plaster dust, paint chips, and wild animal feces accumulated during the 35 years that the building was unoccupied and open. barn swallows had nested in the same places for long enough that some of the nests were a foot tall and the pile of guano on the floor was also as big.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
While this is true, if you're in that extreme a condition, pressurized breathing equipment is probably a better idea.

For normal use, the full-face respirator with replaceable cartridge filters are far more economical than disposable masks, especially if you need the P100 level of protection, since the only disposable masks I've seen topped out at P95.

Very misleading. The lifetime of a cartridge or filter is a function of only one thing - the load. A high concentration environment will create a much higher load thereby shortening the effective duration it is effective. Don't ever equate efficacy with time. The actual "break-through" time can be measured in seconds under extreme condition. Regardless of what anyone say suggest, when using a respirator, always be mindful of what your nose tells you.
 
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