researching a B361 Oceanic 2001

[Eduardo]

Is it a potential problem under load and heavy seas for a Beneteau 361 for the hull to be attached to the deck by screws and glue ? Is the traditional way of being glassed to the hull stronger. Any other comments good or no on this model? I am looking at this particular one to buy. Thanks
Eduardo

 

[Paul Mermelstein]

Beneteau has been making strong deck/hull joints for years. Don't worry about it. That said, depending upon your definition of "load and heavy seas", any boat could be in trouble.

 

[Jackdaw]

I can't think of a single builder that glasses the deck to the hull. That would be a costly long job with no real additional benefit.

Beneteau uses a proprietary adhesive for this joint and it it very stong. I've never head of it leaking, let alone failing. It's fine.

 

[Eduardo]

thanks

Beneteau has been making strong deck/hull joints for years. Don't worry about it. That said, depending upon your definition of "load and heavy seas", any boat could be in trouble.

Thank you for your answer, that was the one thing worrying me, since a survey recommends to change all standing rigging and it seemed to early to me for a 2001 model, but I'm used to smaller lake boats. This would be my first big boat. Thanks again.

 

[Eduardo]

I can't think of a single builder that glasses the deck to the hull. That would be a costly long job with no real additional benefit.

Beneteau uses a proprietary adhesive for this joint and it it very stong. I've never head of it leaking, let alone failing. It's fine.

Thank you Jackdaw, I,m new to Beneteaus and ocean sailing but there's always a first time. Is this boat classified as a coastal boat and not blue water?

 

[joker460]

The Bene 361 is a Category A boat.

Boat design categories as defined by Institute Recreational Craft:

Design Category Wind Force
Beaufort Scale (knots) Significant Wave Height
in meters (feet)
A - "Ocean" exceeding 8 (over 40 kts.) exceeding 4 (over 13 ft.)
B - "Offshore" up to and including 8 (34-40 kts.) up to and including 4 (13 ft.)
C - "Inshore" up to and including 6 (22-27 kts.) up to and including 2 (6.5 ft.)
D - "Sheltered waters" up to and including 4 (11-16 kts.) up to and including 0.5 (1.5 ft.)

 

[Eduardo]

Wow that is good news ! I was thinking the boat would be limited only around the Sea of Cortez, because that is what I was told. Had a feeling it could do blue water, and its nice to have the capability should the experience arrive. That is the plan, eventually. The 361 owners manual is awsome, thanks for the plus ! I will go for the boat. Gracias joker460

 

[Jackdaw]

Thank you Jackdaw, I,m new to Beneteaus and ocean sailing but there's always a first time. Is this boat classified as a coastal boat and not blue water?

As Joker points out, the boat is rated A - Ocean by the CE. But it's important to note that the CE rating looks mostly at stability, and the biggest determiner of stability is length. The fact is, 99% of boats over 30 feet long will make an A rating if built well enough.

While not truly designed for offshore work, the 361 (like all Benis) is a decent boat, and can take you most anyplace you feel capable of going yourself. That will be the limiting factor.

 

[Eduardo]

Offshore

As Joker points out, the boat is rated A - Ocean by the CE. But it's important to note that the CE rating looks mostly at stability, and the biggest determiner of stability is length. The fact is, 99% of boats over 30 feet long will make an A rating if built well enough.

While not truly designed for offshore work, the 361 (like all Benis) is a decent boat, and can take you most anyplace you feel capable of going yourself. That will be the limiting factor.

Absolutely correct, we are sometimes the limiting factor, but its nice to know that this boat will take a crossing if both human, weather and equipment conditions are ok, or sailing up or down the coast. This fórum is really great, and I greatly appreciate all the wisdom and knowledge from you guys that been around sailing for a while. I will continue to pose my many doubts and questions on different things. Your answers and comments have given me a feeing of more assurance. Thanks Jackdaw.

 

[joker460]

Jackdaw's point is also good.

It all depends on the person, planning, preparation, knowledge etc etc.

Heck, people have rowed across the ocean and survived.

Good Luck

 

[Eduardo]

Totally correct, thanks Joker for all of your input. I feel a lot better now and will make the extra effort to buy the B361

 

[Paul Mermelstein]

One more thing: while the hull is A rated, you will want to make sure your rigging, hardware, ports and hatches, ground tackle, through hulls, and other things are in excellent shape prior to crossing any great expanse of ocean. Normally no problem, but heavy weather always highlights any weak points in a boat.

 

[Eduardo]

Thanks

One more thing: while the hull is A rated, you will want to make sure your rigging, hardware, ports and hatches, ground tackle, through hulls, and other things are in excellent shape prior to crossing any great expanse of ocean. Normally no problem, but heavy weather always highlights any weak points in a boat.

Yes I intendo to have a survey out of wáter and personnaly look at all that to be more familiarized and know were everything is and aspects.. She is due for a replacement of standing rigging as per last survey. Thanks Paul

 

[Captn TJ]

Yes I intendo to have a survey out of wáter and personnaly look at all that to be more familiarized and know were everything is and aspects.. She is due for a replacement of standing rigging as per last survey. Thanks Paul

Interesting that you're replacing all of the standing rigging. Is that because of salt corrosion?

 

[Eduardo]

Replace

Interesting that you're replacing all of the standing rigging. Is that because of salt corrosion?

Actually The boat was just surveyed 2 weeks ago at the request of a potential buyer and that showed up according to survey, I was not there. The deal fell through and the marina broker notified me since I had seen the Beneteau a couple of months ago while shopping for a boat. That is what caused me to ask this forum about hull to deck integrity on a B-361. This is a 2001 model and to me seemed too early to be replacing standing rigging, but then I'm not all that experienced with sailing and especially not familiar to Bs.
Eduardo

 

[Captn TJ]

Actually The boat was just surveyed 2 weeks ago at the request of a potential buyer and that showed up according to survey, I was not there. The deal fell through and the marina broker notified me since I had seen the Beneteau a couple of months ago while shopping for a boat. That is what caused me to ask this forum about hull to deck integrity on a B-361. This is a 2001 model and to me seemed too early to be replacing standing rigging, but then I'm not all that experienced with sailing and especially not familiar to Bs. Eduardo

Mast up or down for the survey? I'd sure like to know why the recommendation was made - if anything to make sure nothing else needs replacement.

 

[Eduardo]

Mast up or down for the survey? I'd sure like to know why the recommendation was made - if anything to make sure nothing else needs replacement.

Mast up, I think because he did not mention that it was down, but good question....the broker says that there are no major cracks in the swedges but microscopic ones are starting to show. Apparently she lacks of heavy sailing with her one owner, and wife threw the towel on sailing that's why it's on the market.

 

[beneteau361guy]

Having owned a 2002 361 for 10 years and putting 7,000 miles under the hull, I can say the boat performed very well under all conditions.

Just as a suggestion: upgrade the wheel autopilot from the raymarine st4000 to an inboard autopilot

 

[Philip_Oceanis 361]

Just as a suggestion: upgrade the wheel autopilot from the raymarine st4000 to an inboard autopilot

+1. Worth every $ you pay.

 

[Benjamin Disralei]

Thank you for your answer, that was the one thing worrying me, since a survey recommends to change all standing rigging and it seemed to early to me for a 2001 model, but I'm used to smaller lake boats. This would be my first big boat. Thanks again.

I think now would be a good time to replace the standing rigging, my 2002 361 had the mast removed to replace all rigging last week right through to the stemballs, I also pulled her from the water to antifoul and replace two through hulls and was pleased I had as I found that one was completely corroded through that it broke of in my hand, this was the raw water feed, pleased it happened on dry land. In Australia you would struggle with a claim for rigging should it be older than ten years.

As a sea going yacht the 361 is forgiving and kind to 40 Knts, haven't been out in anything greater, good choice.