Replacing injectors follow-up - Racor filter upgrade?

Oct 26, 2008
6,304
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Problems are still not resolved. At least I got home to my own slip and can relax a bit before tackling these issues. I had to wait a few days in Atlantic City for new injectors and fuel lines to be delivered. I removed the old injectors on Friday and, indeed, the middle one had failed internally, so I'm not sorry I replaced the set of 3. I installed the new injectors and the engine ran perfectly at all rpm levels ... in the slip. I took the boat out to trial in the harbor and rpm dropped off as before. I can't even describe how frustrated I felt and to add to the pressure, the forecast indicated that starting Monday (today) the conditions would be unsuitable for at least a week to move the boat home via the Atlantic (Hurricane Erin approaching). With no alternative, I set out Saturday with disabled engine to sail north to Barnegat Inlet and count on towing service to get inside to my slip. With that accomplished I'm now going to tackle what appears to be fuel delivery issues.

I will start by examining every component starting at the fuel tank to the injector pressure pump. I do not believe there is any malfunction in the pressurized system. It appears to me that under load I am either sucking air into the fuel or water in the fuel is getting sucked into the delivery while underway. I'll even consider pumping out the tank contents entirely.

I have a couple of questions. A mechanic recommended that I replace my 200 series Racor Filter (the type with a spin on filter element in a metal casing) with a another Racor model that uses replaceable filter elements. The Racor on my boat is original and 26 years old. The location makes it difficult to observe and service. I read a Catalina 320 Association article that described replacing it with a 500 series filter and locating it right next to the fuel tank at a far better location. I also read some SBO posts with various recommendations, some also recommending the 500 series even though the capacity of that model FAR exceeds the needs of our small engines. Those posts were from 2017. Any new opinions for the Racor replacement?

Second question is about a foamy-looking brown liquid I found in a small puddle under the engine both when I arrived in Atlantic City and again when I arrived home on Saturday (I ran the engine enough to limp out of Atlantic City and get far enough from land to sail in one direction to Barnegat). The gunk was more watery than oily and it may be related to the coolant - I will have to see. I am going to change my oil first thing - but I did change it earlier this season. I have not had any issue with overheating. Operating temps have always been normal and coolant levels are normal and never changed in the bottle. Any thoughts on what it could be? I suspect that it could be liquid hiding out in recesses of the bottom that only was revealed as the boat moves through the rougher-than-normal wave patterns.
 
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Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
About all I can offer is empathy. Sounds like your plan to define where is problem is step-by-step as the logical approach.
As to the brown liquid, that’s what weathered oil looks like when mixed with water. If your tranny doesnt use lube oil, at least that’s one less source but it sounds like old oil from your description.
 
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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
replace my 200 series Racor Filter (the type with a spin on filter element in a metal casing)
Any new opinions for the Racor replacement?
Glad you made it home. Nope, no new options, same answer: 200 series: cheaper housing, costlier filters; 500 series - easier swapout, less leaks, costlier housing, cheaper filters. All of our engines use lots less than any of these filters are rated for; i.e., all these filters are waaay oversized for our use.

Have you checked your lift pump and its filter?

You're a regular here, so I'm sure you've seen this but here again, same OP, two different forums with similar replies, so you get both.

Fuel Starvation and The Obscure Check Ball Valve
Fuel Starvation and The Obscure Check Ball Valve
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Fuel Starvation and The Obscure Ball Check Valve

Good luck, Scotty.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,304
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Glad you made it home. Nope, no new options, same answer: 200 series: cheaper housing, costlier filters; 500 series - easier swapout, less leaks, costlier housing, cheaper filters. All of our engines use lots less than any of these filters are rated for; i.e., all these filters are waaay oversized for our use.

Have you checked your lift pump and its filter?

You're a regular here, so I'm sure you've seen this but here again, same OP, two different forums with similar replies, so you get both.

Fuel Starvation and The Obscure Check Ball Valve
Fuel Starvation and The Obscure Check Ball Valve
and
Fuel Starvation and The Obscure Ball Check Valve

Good luck, Scotty.
Wow! I was thinking about the lift pump. I had read about the membrane inside it & wondered if this simple mechanism could be the problem. Nobody else has mentioned it and it has been one of my nagging concerns. Also, I have read the posts (there even was a recent post where somebody cleaned the "Racor check ball valve" to resolve their issue)! I didn't think of it but I certainly will look at it now!

It's funny how the circumstance can rattle your state of mind. When I was at anchor, my mind was a little paralyzed. Anchoring in Atlantic City was madness (but at least the holding was very good). I was anchored for 4 days & nights before moving to a slip. I only moved to the slip when I determined to replace injectors & needed to wait for parts. The marina had limited space & time for me, but I learned from the mechanic that I called that they can't force you out when you are in need of repairs. Regardless, I felt incredibly uncomfortable in a strange marina, not knowing if I was welcome to stay or how much it was going to cost.

At anchor, tour boats loaded with people & loud music, fishing boats, jet skis zipped through the anchorage without a care for their wake or where your anchor might lie. Strong currents moved the boat around in strange configurations with the wind. I felt trapped by the NE winds & associated rough conditions on the ocean. I got advice that I would run aground if I tried the NJ intercoastal between AC & Barnegat. I had a tiny weather window over the weekend for me to sail back to Barnegat & the uncertainty was unnerving. The hurricane was approaching & I didn't want to be stuck there for the duration of it.

Now that I'm back in my own slip, I can relax & take logical steps! It feels 100% better now!
 
Jan 30, 2012
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Nor'Sea 27 "Kiwanda" Portland/ Anacortes
If always the same result, (no matter injector replacement, filter replacement) maybe look at the only component that can give you reliable headaches. First make sure the guard filter (the one on the motor just upstream of the high pressure pump) is brand new. Filter strangles would effect all fuel delivery to all injectors, injectors (all replaced) would eliminate every injector based delivery problem. High pressure pump (even one of the three circuits) would cripple at least one of the three injectors. So ask: Is overall fuel delivery strangled before the high pressure pump (thus effecting all injectors ability to provide fuel) or is it one or more of the (3) high pressure pump circuits? As to overall supply, easy to eliminate an overall fuel filter problem. Get a new 5 gal can, put the fuel intake into the new can, and use this new fuel source. If no joy, then you know the answer.
 

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Jul 10, 2007
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Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Scott

Can you recreate the issue while in the slip to help you diagnose the problem?

I would start with a five gallon day tank with clean filtered fuel (use one of those filter funnels to fill) and insert a fuel line in there to your first filter (Racor) to test things out. This will eliminate the tank or pick up as a problem if successful. I found an issue a few years ago this way when I thought the tanks and pickup was not a problem with a small fuel logged piece of debris that would clog the pick up.

Then try it after the racor with the clean fuel.
 
Nov 21, 2012
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Yamaha 33 Port Ludlow, WA
I too suffered from a fuel delivery problem. I used the parts cannon approach - replace everything. Fuel line, filters, bleed screws, clamps, lift pump, new Racor 200 series housing and filters, Except it didn't work. Then I replaced all the banjo bolts and crush washers and that solved it, permanently. 6 years and counting.