Replacement Windows

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Sep 30, 2009
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Catalina 250 CSA at Carlyle Lake
Has anyone out there replaced their factory aluminum framed windows with plexiglass or some similar material? My 30 year old windows are leaking and instead of replacing the seals and bedding compound, I was thinking of removing the windows entirely and fitting a piece of plexiglass over the opening with 5200 sealer in between. Then I could use some sort of trim on the inside to make it look nice. Is this a crazy idea? I know that Cruising Concepts sells a kit to do this but it costs $675 :eek:.

Greg
 
Sep 19, 2010
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Catalina 22 home
The newer boat's widows are installed only with adhesive sealant. It must work. Before you try it on the boat though, perhaps you could experiment using the same materials and techniques in order to see how well they work. By adhering test pieces together, you can then try to break them apart to see how well they hold. I recently installed a pleixglas deadlight with adhesive sealant, then found I had to remove it. I was dismayed how easily I could push the part away from the deck and break the bond of the sealant. I searched the 'net and bought a tube of adhesive sold for bedding plexiglas in commercial building applications. After reinstalling the deadlight, I tried pushing it out and was unable. On the second install, I also roughed up the surface of the plexiglas deadlight in the area where the bond was to occur.
 
Jun 29, 2011
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Catalina 22 Alum Creek SP
I recaulked mine and it went OK but the caulk didn't seem to stick at first when it dried but the windows are not leaking any that I can tell. The aluminum trim can be cleaned or buffed if unapealing. There is a boat (not a C22) where I store my boat with dark lexan windows which I thought would look kewl but they don't mesh well with the boat. Just an observation I made. Good Luck!
 
Sep 19, 2010
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Sep 30, 2009
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Catalina 250 CSA at Carlyle Lake
Thanks for all the great information! I'll take all of this into consideration...

1. Perform some adhesion tests on a scrap piece of Lexan first.
2. Attempt to adhere the window using only industrial adhesive sealant. I might need to drill a few screw holes to hold it in place.
3. CD sells tubes of adhesive used to "install glass curtain walls in high-rise office buildings". http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1052 This sounds convincing to me. I also ordered the catalog from Defender to see what else might be available from them.

Finally, the guru on Trailer Sailer says to "tool the joint" or it will not seal properly. What does this mean?

Greg
 
Sep 19, 2010
525
Catalina 22 home
"Tool the joint" refers to running your finger or a similarly shaped tool around the edge of the piece after it's in place, to smooth the sealant that has pushed out from under the piece. It really applies to mounting glass or plexi inside a frame that wraps the edge 90 degrees. If you're sealing a plastic window to a mostly flat surface as you would on a Catalina, the sealing takes place in the area where the larger glass overlaps the smaller port cut-out. There's not much area to tool, only the thickness of the glass that is used. I've always been of the school that you work like heck to avoid having to tool sealant -it can make a heck of a mess, and only affects the very outer-most edge of the joint. I prefer applying pressure to the joint with weights, clamps, or even tape in some cases. Leave the joint unmolested for 24 hours. If you did your prep work correctly and applied the correct amount of the right type of sealant, you should be good to go.

Be careful about screwing through lexan or plexiglas. For starters, you must purchase special drill bits. Hardware store bits are for steel and have the wrong angle at the cutting surface. You'll crack nearly every hole if you try to drill with those. Second problem is expansion and sealing of the hole. Because these plastics expand and contract a great deal with changes in heat, the holes must be much bigger than the screw that goes through them, and the screw cannot be tightened against the plastic. If it is, the plastic cannot slide under the screw head during expansion/contraction. If the holes are not big enough, the plastic will crack when it hits the screw and still needs to expand more. Catalina found this out after using screws for a few years, they no longer use them. Next problem is how do you prevent water from getting around the screw head and through the enlarged hole? It becomes a real song and dance to put nylon or rubber washers under the screw heads, then try to tighten them enough to seal out water -yet allow the plexi to move underneath.
 
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I don't know what "tool the joint" means. Maybe abraid it to allow better adhesion? Might be Maine or Window Guy language!
Please post your progress on this. I'm interested as I need to replace mine too. Thanks Odayfun!
 
Sep 30, 2009
142
Catalina 250 CSA at Carlyle Lake
Absolutely I will post my progress! Right now I'm just in the beginning planning stage - trying to gather as much information as I possibly can. I'll go ahead and do some testing of materials but I was going wait until the fall to do the actual replacement. So, it will be a little while before I post anything of interest.
 
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