Remote oil filter

Jan 19, 2010
1,271
Catalina 34 Casco Bay
Greetings,
Looking for experience with Universal remote oil filters. Happened across a reference to them and I am just wondering what if any experience anyone has had with them..I have an M25xp. It should be a cleaner way to drop the filter...

Thanks,
Rick
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,072
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
I installed one that I got from Napa and it was great for about 1 year but the o-rings on the part that bolt to the block were not quite the same diameter as the original filter. One day the o-ring blew out the side of the fixture and dumped all of the oil into the bilge. Fortunately I got the engine shut off before any damage. If you go that way, make sure that you find a base with the o-rings in the correct location. If you find one, let me know because I would really like to reinstall the remote filter.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
1,271
Catalina 34 Casco Bay
Hayden,
I was able to locate the Westerbeke part numbers. The OEM system comes in 2 variants. The engine block cap with or without 90 degreee nipples.

Without... Westerbeke part number. 40078 $382.80
With. 32149 $407.40

quite pricy....
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
I had one of these on my Westerbeke/Perkins 4-108 for many years. No problems and a huge benefit in ease of swapping out filters.
Unrelated to this but in reference to Hayden's post above, I once had the oil pressure sensor fail on the Weterbeke while underway. That resulted in most of the oil running down into the bilge. Ugh!
 
Apr 5, 2009
3,072
Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
I agree, the remote filter was great. The oil in the bilge, not so much!:banghead: Of course, it happened about 10 miles from my home port with no safe harbors closer. Oh, and it was blowing 40 knots!I had plenty of propulsion with that much wind but worked feverishly to keep the boat on as little heel as possible to keep the oil in the bilge and not up under the deck in the shoulders of the hull. The C30 "bilge" is only about 6" deep and if the water (oil) level is more than a couple of inches,it will run up under the deck into regions that are impossible to reach.:facepalm:
I will tell you that docking under sail, down wind in 40 knots is sure exciting! :yikes:
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
A remote oil filter is one of the best upgrades I've done to our engine. We as a company have installed many remote oil filter systems. We use Parker PUSH-LOK PLUS hydraulic hose & fittings rated at 300PSI, a bit over kill, but all in all not that expensive. Our local Parker Store is a great resource.

In addition to the engine take-off adapter you may also be able to up the physical oil filter size by using a different size remote filter head than your engine adapter would typically take. I did this on our boat and the oil not only has more capacity, via hoses and a much larger filter, but it also stays cleaner considerably longer. For our Westerbeke 44B Four I use a Wix (NAPA GOLD 51515), Baldwin (B2 or B2-HPG) or Donaldson (P169071) filters on the remote mount. These filters are plentiful anywhere in the world because it is a standard Ford FL-1A mount.

You will need three things for the engine take off adapter:

#1 - The thread and pitch (Kubota blocks are typically a 20mm X 1.5mm thread)

#2 - The o-ring diameter of the adapter and an 0-ring landing area dimension for the engine.

#3 - 1/2" NPT tapped spin-on apter head & remote head. Many are tapped for 3/8" but this can be restrictive.

Calipers are easier but were not as easy to photograph:




Many of the Kubota's can use a typical Fram 3593A filter. Honda cars use this size too and a remote take-off for a Honda will often work, provided the o-ring/gasket is the right OD.. Be sure to physically measure the filter landing width where the gasket will hit and compare this to actual take-off data from the spin-on adapter maker.. You have two choices in take-offs, billet machined or cast. Billet is more expensive, & generally higher quality, but either will work fine provided you are buying from a reputable company. A lot of the cast models are really pretty low quality..

You will also want to compare the specs of your engines OE filter with a larger off engine filter to confirm it will work and has specs that are comparable to the OE filter. Good oil filter companies such as Baldwin, Wix or Donaldson can provide this type of data.

Here is a shot with the parts. Note the size difference between the factory filter and the new remote filter.


I mounted the remote filter head with Weld-Mount studs...


I would urge avoiding the cheap Derale oil take offs as the machining is poor and the threaded adapter will bottom out before the o-ring seals. This same take-off head is likely made in China and re-branded under many different names.

You will need to do your homework on your engines OEM filter to find an "equivalent" or better filter for the remote. Filter manufacturers don't make this easy! By far this will take the most time IF you intend on upping the size of your remote filter. I prefer going larger as it yields more oil capacity, more filtration media and often less head pressure than a smaller filter.

FWIW the orange Fram filters, designated by a "PH" in front of the number, eg: PH3593A, are a very low quality filter, in my experience.

The orange Fram PH filters are the only filters I have ever had more than one of "drain back," even though it is equipped with an anti-drainback valve. Draining back means no oil in the filter at start up!

After my third or fourth customer with an empty horizontal Fram PH filter I called Fram and was told "Not surprising that is a cheap anti-drainback valve. You are best to go up to our TG or Tough Guard series or better.". Problem is I pay much less for a premium Wix, Baldwin or Donaldson filter than I do for a Fram TG series.
 
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Apr 5, 2009
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Catalina '88 C30 tr/bs Oak Harbor, WA
You will need three things for the engine take off adapter:

#1 - The thread and pitch (Kubota blocks are typically a 20mm X 1.5mm thread)

#2 - The o-ring diameter of the adapter and an 0-ring landing area dimension for the engine.

#3 - 1/2" NPT tapped spin-on apter head & remote head. Many are tapped for 3/8" but this can be restrictive.

Calipers are easier but were not as easy to photograph:
I agree that the remote filter was awesome. Can you tell me the proper take off adapter for the M25xp (D950 Kubota)? I have everything other than that to reinstall. The problem that I had with my first installation is that the diameter of the o-ring groove in the take off adapter was just a bit too large and about 1" of the length of the o-ring was only supported over 1/2 the width of the groove. It worked for about a year but one day the o-ring blew out of that little gap and made a real mess.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I agree that the remote filter was awesome. Can you tell me the proper take off adapter for the M25xp (D950 Kubota)? I have everything other than that to reinstall. The problem that I had with my first installation is that the diameter of the o-ring groove in the take off adapter was just a bit too large and about 1" of the length of the o-ring was only supported over 1/2 the width of the groove. It worked for about a year but one day the o-ring blew out of that little gap and made a real mess.
I don't, the company we used to use is no longer around or they changed names. They made custom billet aluminum products for Honda's. I am sure there is another one out there just be sure they can send you the OD & ID specs of the gasket/o-ring and comapre it to what you have.
 
Jan 19, 2010
1,271
Catalina 34 Casco Bay
A remote oil filter is one of the best upgrades I've done to our engine. We as a company have installed many remote oil filter systems. We use Parker PUSH-LOK PLUS hydraulic hose & fittings rated at 300PSI, a bit over kill, but all in all not that expensive. Our local Parker Store is a great resource.

In addition to the engine take-off adapter you may also be able to up the physical oil filter size by using a different size remote filter head than your engine adapter would typically take. I did this on our boat and the oil not only has more capacity, via hoses and a much larger filter, but it also stays cleaner considerably longer. For our Westerbeke 44B Four I use a Wix (NAPA GOLD 51515), Baldwin (B2 or B2-HPG) or Donaldson (P169071) filters on the remote mount. These filters are plentiful anywhere in the world because it is a standard Ford FL-1A mount.

You will need three things for the engine take off adapter:

#1 - The thread and pitch (Kubota blocks are typically a 20mm X 1.5mm thread)

#2 - The o-ring diameter of the adapter and an 0-ring landing area dimension for the engine.

#3 - 1/2" NPT tapped spin-on apter head & remote head. Many are tapped for 3/8" but this can be restrictive.

Calipers are easier but were not as easy to photograph:




Many of the Kubota's can use a typical Fram 3593A filter. Honda cars use this size too and a remote take-off for a Honda will often work, provided the o-ring/gasket is the right OD.. Be sure to physically measure the filter landing width where the gasket will hit and compare this to actual take-off data from the spin-on adapter maker.. You have two choices in take-offs, billet machined or cast. Billet is more expensive, & generally higher quality, but either will work fine provided you are buying from a reputable company. A lot of the cast models are really pretty low quality..

You will also want to compare the specs of your engines OE filter with a larger off engine filter to confirm it will work and has specs that are comparable to the OE filter. Good oil filter companies such as Baldwin, Wix or Donaldson can provide this type of data.

Here is a shot with the parts. Note the size difference between the factory filter and the new remote filter.


I mounted the remote filter head with Weld-Mount studs...


I would urge avoiding the cheap Derale oil take offs as the machining is poor and the threaded adapter will bottom out before the o-ring seals. This same take-off head is likely made in China and re-branded under many different names.

You will need to do your homework on your engines OEM filter to find an "equivalent" or better filter for the remote. Filter manufacturers don't make this easy! By far this will take the most time IF you intend on upping the size of your remote filter. I prefer going larger as it yields more oil capacity, more filtration media and often less head pressure than a smaller filter.

FWIW the orange Fram filters, designated by a "PH" in front of the number, eg: PH3593A, are a very low quality filter, in my experience.

The orange Fram PH filters are the only filters I have ever had more than one of "drain back," even though it is equipped with an anti-drainback valve. Draining back means no oil in the filter at start up!

After my third or fourth customer with an empty horizontal Fram PH filter I called Fram and was told "Not surprising that is a cheap anti-drainback valve. You are best to go up to our TG or Tough Guard series or better.". Problem is I pay much less for a premium Wix, Baldwin or Donaldson filter than I do for a Fram TG series.
Did you employ the OEM Westerbeke parts, or find what you use elsewhere ?
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Did you employ the OEM Westerbeke parts, or find what you use elsewhere ?
I do not use the Westerbeke kits because I prefer to use a much larger filter when I convert to a remote filter. The most expensive piece is finding a quality made adapter for the engine. With good google foo, and some good measurements, this is pretty easy stuff. The Westerbeke kit is an easy answer but certainly a pricey one.
 
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