Refurbishing and possibly re-powering my Vega

lastgaspid · Jun 4, 2006

Paul, what series is your Vega? II?
Dave
Lastgasp
V3233

emmajen5 · Jun 5, 2006

Paul:

Here's some info Steve Birch sent along to me last
year:

Series I = 1967 - 1972

Series II = 1972 - 1976

Series III = 1976 - 1978

All approximate.

From Vega number 1 (Wooden boat called Mahogony) to
about V1380 is Series I. This can be checked with
engine type as they would have an Albin 021 or 022 as
original equipment.

Series II started with some Series I mouldings but
different engine bearers and used the Volvo MD6A
Diesel. From about V1450 the moulding was changed
slightly but still used the Volvo MD6A. From V2900 ish
the engine was changed to the Volvo MD6B which is the
same as the MD6A but uses a starter motor with a
toothed flywheel instead of the Dynastart. This lasted
to about V3075 ish....

Series III Vegas carried on and used the MD7A which is
a bored out version of the MD6B giving 12HP instead of
the 10HP from the MD6A/B. The coaming around the
cockpit is much wider making comfortable to sit on but
this is at the expense of the very small toe-rail. The
anti-slip area on the coachroof etc is much coarser.
There are also very small differences inside with the
furniture etc.

In short:

V0002 - V1375 = Series I (Albin 021/022 Petrol Engine)

V1376 - V3075 = Series II (Volvo MD6A or MD6B Diesel
Engine)

V3076 - 3450 = Series III (Volvo MD7A Diesel Engine)

These numbers are approx. so please dont shout at me if
it is slightly off.You're not too far off my number.

Garry McKevitt
"Raven" V. 2427

stevebirch2002 · Jun 5, 2006

Hi Paul

She is a Series II that was orinally powered by a Volvo MD6A or MD6B

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

pelagicasd · Jun 12, 2006

Whats wrong with the Yanmar. I have a little knowledge about them. Walt

wxt8981 · Jun 13, 2006

Hi.:
Yanmar Diesels have a quite low mixing elbow and it is
possible that water gets back into the engine via the
exhaust. I speak from experience- my diesel died last year
and the reason was water in the engine. I made the big
mistake to have the old engine repaired, only to find out
that every thing inside was eaten up by salt water. So I
bought a new Yanmar, but with an upward extention of the
mixing elbow of about 8 inches.There's just enough room for
that upward extention.
Check if you have water in the engine- if you do- replace
the engine- don't do as I did! A new Yanmar 1GM10 runs
about $5.500 (US)- I paid a lot more- for nothing! By the
way- you don't really need the 2GM20.
Wilhelm, V-257

trevy_kins · Jun 13, 2006

Wilhelm, does that price include the gearbox and everything else you
need to convert from the combi? Did you have the MD6A? If so, how
difficult was it to switch to the Yanmar? Thanks, T (Mystic Rose #2915)

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of WL
Sent: June 13, 2006 3:24 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Refurbishing and possibly re-powering my Vega

Hi.:
Yanmar Diesels have a quite low mixing elbow and it is
possible that water gets back into the engine via the
exhaust. I speak from experience- my diesel died last year
and the reason was water in the engine. I made the big
mistake to have the old engine repaired, only to find out
that every thing inside was eaten up by salt water. So I
bought a new Yanmar, but with an upward extention of the
mixing elbow of about 8 inches.There's just enough room for
that upward extention.
Check if you have water in the engine- if you do- replace
the engine- don't do as I did! A new Yanmar 1GM10 runs
about $5.500 (US)- I paid a lot more- for nothing! By the
way- you don't really need the 2GM20.
Wilhelm, V-257

wxt8981 · Jun 13, 2006

Hi Trevor;
the Yanmar 1GM10 comes with a 261:1 gearbox,engine mounts,
B-Type panel and harnes and costs about $5.000.00 plus
freight (200). You need a 13"x8" right hand 3 blade prop
(about 300),Single lever control plus cables (400), a 25mm
shaft (200) and maybe a new exhaust system (200)
I had the Albin 0-21 gasoline engine. It wasn't difficult
to convert the mount to the Yanmar- some grinding.I did
everything myself.
I recommend to keep the original 25mm stern bearing and
stuffing box. They're the best I've ever seen and
replacement is easy and cost is minimal.
The 1GM10 pushes me (calm sea) 6.5mph at 3.000 rpm;
consumption about 1 gallon per 5 hours (about 30mpg). It
starts easy, runs a little noicy, but I got used to that.
Wilhelm, V-257

SVFlyAway · Jun 13, 2006

Hi Paul,

With all the talk of Beta and Yanmar, I am curious why you say you are going
with Westerbeke? Don't get me wrong I think Westerbeke is a good choice
(I've owned a couple in boats over the years) just wondering as it hasn't
come up on the forum as a preferred option before.

Thanks,

Chris

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of PKgosail@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:15 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Refurbishing and possibly re-powering my Vega

Thanks, Walt. I'm probably going to replace the engine. Internal damage.
I was out in gale force winds and spent hours motor sailing with about 50
feet of chain and anchor hanging off my stern. With all the noise and
activity
didn't notice the anchor had let loose. So much for "constant vigilance!"
Basically burned up the engine. Think I'm going to drop in a new Westerbeke.

Anybody interested in Yanmar 2GM20 parts?

Paul Hermanson

stevebirch2002 · Jun 13, 2006

Hi All

As a great believer in the Beta I must say they are just about perfect
for the Vega. They fit direct onto the bearers of the Diesel Vega
(Series II and III). Fresh water cooled is an advantage over the Yanmar
1GM and the 13.5HP gives you that extra power in the event of adverse
tide and wind conditions. Myself and the VAGB Chairman can now swap an
MD6A for the BEta in two days and neither of us are mechanics. The
installation is not difficult and whether you decide on a Yanmar,
Westebeke or Beta then it is not rocket science.so dont be scared of
doing the job. Installation notes are available on the Groups Files so o
for it.

Cheers and happy sailing

Steve B

pjacobs55 · Jun 13, 2006

I couldn't find a higher elbow for my Yanmar 2GMF 13 hp so I ended
up making one out of black iron and brass pipe.

Here's a picture of it before I took it to the welder for final
welding.

http://www3.telus.net/sailing/exhaust.jpg

The brass/iron joint was brazed, and the whole thing wrapped in
insulation. It remains to be seen how long it lasts!

Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'

imbissfrank · Jun 14, 2006

Paul,
I changed from a MD-6 to a Westerbeke 13, NEVER AGAIN !!!! Maybe a Beta next time.
Frank Gallardo Jr
V-2184 Cin Cin

PKgosail@... wrote:
Thanks, Walt. I'm probably going to replace the engine. Internal damage.
I was out in gale force winds and spent hours motor sailing with about 50
feet of chain and anchor hanging off my stern. With all the noise and activity
didn't notice the anchor had let loose. So much for "constant vigilance!"
Basically burned up the engine. Think I'm going to drop in a new Westerbeke.
Anybody interested in Yanmar 2GM20 parts?

Paul Hermanson "Fair Winds and Following Seas"
sv Cin Cin, V-2184
Frank Gallardo Jr

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pjacobs55 · Jun 14, 2006

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trevy_kins · Jun 14, 2006

Thanks for that info Wilhelm. Trevor, V- 2915

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of WL
Sent: June 13, 2006 4:48 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Refurbishing and possibly re-powering my Vega

Hi Trevor;
the Yanmar 1GM10 comes with a 261:1 gearbox,engine mounts,
B-Type panel and harnes and costs about $5.000.00 plus
freight (200). You need a 13"x8" right hand 3 blade prop
(about 300),Single lever control plus cables (400), a 25mm
shaft (200) and maybe a new exhaust system (200)
I had the Albin 0-21 gasoline engine. It wasn't difficult
to convert the mount to the Yanmar- some grinding.I did
everything myself.
I recommend to keep the original 25mm stern bearing and
stuffing box. They're the best I've ever seen and
replacement is easy and cost is minimal.
The 1GM10 pushes me (calm sea) 6.5mph at 3.000 rpm;
consumption about 1 gallon per 5 hours (about 30mpg). It
starts easy, runs a little noicy, but I got used to that.
Wilhelm, V-257

trevy_kins · Jun 14, 2006

Dear Steve and gang, are the prices for the Beta installation available
on our site? I couldn't find them when I looked recently. There was a
brochure, but no prices. Incidentally, I have been poring over the
materials that I found in my Vega upon delivery. There are two thick
binders of newsletters from the Vega One Design Chesapeake Association
(VODCA) dating back to the 70's. The original owners of my boat appear
to have been the first Treasurers of the group - Patsy and Phil Rogers.
Does anyone know of these folks? There is a wealth of information in
these papers. I would be glad to make them available to the group if
anyone has any bright ideas how to do that. Thanks, Trev, V-2915

________________________________

From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Birch
Sent: June 13, 2006 7:11 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Refurbishing and possibly re-powering my Vega

Hi All

As a great believer in the Beta I must say they are just about perfect
for the Vega. They fit direct onto the bearers of the Diesel Vega
(Series II and III). Fresh water cooled is an advantage over the Yanmar
1GM and the 13.5HP gives you that extra power in the event of adverse
tide and wind conditions. Myself and the VAGB Chairman can now swap an
MD6A for the BEta in two days and neither of us are mechanics. The
installation is not difficult and whether you decide on a Yanmar,
Westebeke or Beta then it is not rocket science.so dont be scared of
doing the job. Installation notes are available on the Groups Files so o
for it.

Cheers and happy sailingSteve B

stevebirch2002 · Jun 14, 2006

Hi

Steve Birch (Technical)