Reefing Methods; Pros and Cons

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Yeah, all of the reef connections and cleats will actually be on the boom, right at the mast. Which means you have to leave the helm to reef, or have crew. Which, I suppose is the reason why someone with an easily single-handed boat is looking for a way to get the lines back to the cockpit. With two reef points that would mean 2 reef lines and 4 clutches for a double reef-line system. Two reef-lines, two clutches if a single-reef line system.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
Whatever system you choose, you need to become proficient in its use. In the dark without lights, or in a heavy squall with rain and lightning, you need to be able to reef your boat as easily and quickly than dowsing the sail completely. Tying off the loose sail with the reef points is wholly unimportant immediately, but keeping the sail under control by having the clew and tack tight is essential.
The less time your sail is flogging around while you are head to wind, adds to the longevity of the sail. The quicker you can reef and get back underway means you are headed in the direction you want to go, under control.
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
Reefing my 2c

I know many sailors that swear by a single system. Im a two line man. to many places to bind up. I do not believe in leading any lines back to the cockpit either

My system first I do not use a hook up at the mast takes to long to get the hook through the cringle instead I tie a light line thru the cringle port and starboard and cleet it off on a horn cleet either side of the boom so I can reef from the weather or lee side Takes about 10 seconds to pull the cringle down to the boom and cleet it off second I pull my leach line down which is I cleeted off on a horn cleet up forward on the boom at this point let me add that as I put the reef in I put half of the dead area on either side of the boom I dont bother tying in points takes too mush time
I stay in one spot at the mast where I can reach everything I need and dont move away until the reef is in. The entire operation takes me under 30 seconds from the time I undo the halyard. Im 77 and not as fast as I once was.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
Yeah, all of the reef connections and cleats will actually be on the boom, right at the mast. Which means you have to leave the helm to reef, or have crew. Which, I suppose is the reason why someone with an easily single-handed boat is looking for a way to get the lines back to the cockpit. With two reef points that would mean 2 reef lines and 4 clutches for a double reef-line system. Two reef-lines, two clutches if a single-reef line system.
I don't understand why you suggest twice as many clutches as lines.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,982
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I don't understand why you suggest twice as many clutches as lines.
Double line reefing requires a tack and a separate clew line for each reef. Two reefs, four clutches.

My experience with double line reefing on our boat, which I find to be SUPERB and a real safety issue, does not really require a tack CLUTCH. A simpler solution for the tack reef lines would be cam cleats, since they aren't under a lot of load, ever, even when reefed. It's the clew lines that really take up a strain, and why single line reefing is, while simpler to some, inherently can't place the right amount of tension on the clew without over tension-ing the tack lines (which need almost nothing).

Unlike bffcatt, we have our lines all led aft and can reef easily from our cockpit.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
The less time your sail is flogging around while you are head to wind, adds to the longevity of the sail.
Don't go head to wind. And sometimes your position won't allow it.

Slack the sheet, allow the boom to swiing out enough to take the pressure off, but not flog, then tie in your reef and reset sheet. Should be able to reef on a real broad reach even
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
Double line reefing requires a tack and a separate clew line for each reef. Two reefs, four clutches.

My experience with double line reefing on our boat, which I find to be SUPERB and a real safety issue, does not really require a tack CLUTCH. A simpler solution for the tack reef lines would be cam cleats, since they aren't under a lot of load, ever, even when reefed. It's the clew lines that really take up a strain, and why single line reefing is, while simpler to some, inherently can't place the right amount of tension on the clew without over tension-ing the tack lines (which need almost nothing).

Unlike bffcatt, we have our lines all led aft and can reef easily from our cockpit.
Gotcha, didn't get the 2 reefs bit. gettin old I guess.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Don't go head to wind. And sometimes your position won't allow it.

Slack the sheet, allow the boom to swiing out enough to take the pressure off, but not flog, then tie in your reef and reset sheet. Should be able to reef on a real broad reach even
Damn good advice! Will say again: Dont go head to wind to reef!!!!!!!

Simply come to a beat and sail on with just the jib/genoa drawing, the mainsail boom and main eased and in the windshadow of the jib/genoa and with the only the aft section/leech of the main slightly full of wind which will significantly keep the main quite --- then reef. All for less flogging, less rope tangles .... and one hell of a lot 'quieter'. If need be even go to hove-to attitude solely on the 'jib', then reef the main in the jibs windshadow.

The decision of double or single line reefing really depends on the boat design, the intended direction of travel into or off the wind, ..... AND the height of the waves usually encountered in your local sailing venue:

A. If the reason for reefing is only to reduce the amount of sail area up in order to reduce the amount of heel, then any system will work and work well. This is especially true for low wave/flat water conditions encountered in bays, lakes and other 'inshore' venues. For light weight boats that can get up onto a plane ... simply FLATTEN the sails to look like a sheet of flat plywood is all that usually needed, .... but then hold on to your hat as youll now be sailing at 'incredible' boat speeds and still be at less heel angle.

B. If the reason for reefing is that your boat is now exceeding its so-called hull speed and the boat is now 'death wobbling' because the boat is attempting to go faster than its hull speed and is becoming VERY unstable (uncontrolled and violent yawing, etc.), then again any system of reefing will work - for power AND speed reduction.

C. However if you NEED to beat into such high wind and especially if there are LARGE waves/swells oncoming that are stopping the boat and preventing forward progress, only a double line system will 'save the day'. In such wind/wave situations a FLATTENED and reefed sail plan will usually be a BAD choice as there is little power output available from the flattened shape; flattened sails are the result of extra tight clew lines and this also applies to reefed and deep reefed sails.

A single line system does TWO things simultaneously - 1. sail area reduction (heeling) AND 2. flattening (less power). With flattened sails you will have significantly less POWER to 'punch' into and through oncoming (large) waves and youll mostly 'sit there like a duck in a windstorm'. With double line reefing you can independently tension the luff and independently tension the clew ... independent clew tension provides the 'adjustability' to set the amount of draft needed to set up the needed POWER to enable one to 'power through' oncoming waves; you can even go to a deeper reef and still have that needed power if you increase the amount of sail draft that provides that power. In such conditions sail area reduction reduces the heeling, increasing the draft in the remaining exposed sail area provides the 'power' ... and without much increased heeling because of the less amount of sail area exposed.
(FWIW- how much draft? watch your speedo for its maximum output ... when the boat is at max. speed for the amount of sail being 'up', that's the correct tension on the clew - the correct balance of speed and power; and, whether reefed or not !!! .... you can 'depower' via more flattening / clew tension from that now known setting for the exact wind and seastate conditions youre sailing in.)
The simple rule of thumb is: FLAT sails for speed sailing, well drafted sails for power - high gear vs. low gear.
Single line reefing systems only provide 'high gear', even at an equivalent low engine rpm from reduced sail area.

So, if you sail where there can be LARGE waves or where extremely high & steep 'chop' develops, the better choice will usually be 'double line' reefing
( .... and of course with jacklines to prevent the reefed portion from flogging as such will be automatically controlled by the jacklines and with no need to 'tie in the bunts' of a reefed sail.)

FWIW - For any reef system its very helpful to have ALL your reefing control lines and halyard 'pre-marked' so that youll have less time and less guesswork (and less time to fall or get knocked overboard) when putting in the reef(s).

hope this helps.
 
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Oct 26, 2008
6,239
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I stay in one spot at the mast where I can reach everything I need and dont move away until the reef is in. The entire operation takes me under 30 seconds from the time I undo the halyard. Im 77 and not as fast as I once was.
That's a valid point that I hadn't thought about. I go to the mast to hook the tack, then I scramble back to the cockpit to draw in the leach line thru the clutch, using the cabin top winch to tension it. The clew is left loose in the interim (while re-tensioning the halyard).

My boom has clutches at the forward end for the internal reef lines. I thought they were useless, but now I realize I can draw some tension on the line and set with the clutch while at the mast.

But I disagree about the difficulty in using the rams horn. When you drop the sail precisely (marked halyard), it is a very easy task to hook the ring on either side. It takes about 3 seconds to get to the mast and back to the cockpit (halyard led to cockpit). Obviously, hooking the cringle would be difficult, that's why there are 2 rings fastened to the strap thru the cringle.
 
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Pat

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Jun 7, 2004
1,250
Oday 272LE Ninnescah Yacht Club, Wichita, Ks.
Our 272 came w/single line reef system, reef-able from the cockpit...we have been sailing the boat since spring, 1987...we had our misgivings about the ease of use of the 'system', then really confused the issue by installing a new main by Doyle/Stackpac...w/full battens..
The system actually works better w/the full battens as it seems to lower easier both fore and aft. We also installed better blocks near the gooseneck as the aft end already had a block built into end of the boom...the whole deal works well IF I think about what I'm doing....I must always recognize the need to reef at the earliest time and make sure I am headed dead into the wind with the wheel locked. There cannot be any
issue that keeps the main from both coming down when I lock off the reefing line at the line stopper or anything to keep the main from going back up in it's reefed state...but it
does work and I've done it several times alone w/no issues at all....I would say the biggest issue is keeping the boat headed directly into the wind....as a matter of fact, falling off the wind can make any attempt at reefing difficult whether it is single line like mine or double line like my previous boat...good luck, Pat
 
Jun 5, 2014
209
Capital Yacths Newport MKIII 30 Punta Gorda, Fl
Thank You for all the comments. We went out yesterday and reefed both sails with the existing hardware. ( 2 lines reefing for mainsail) It worked perfectly, so i believe I will leave it as it is.

Thank You
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Scott: Marking your halyard is an excellent point. I will get out my magic marker and do that next time! My tall rig requires a full 6' drop for the sail in order to reef it, so the right amount of halyard release is importantl
Thanks, Chief
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
Scott: Marking your halyard is an excellent point. I will get out my magic marker and do that next time! ...
Markings can disappear over time. I used a couple wraps of whipping twine on the line for a locator. It's easier to see as the line is moving. I also did that on the reefing lines to mark when they are fully taken in.
 

Skip

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Jun 3, 2004
2
Catalina -36 Mk II North Cape Yacht Club, LaSalle, MI
Reefing methods

I have used various methods in the last 60 years. To me whether you use a single line led aft to the cockpit or a horn at the tack and a line at the end of the boom and led to a cleat forward depends on where the halyard is. If the halyard is led to the cockpit I would recommend a single line also led to the cockpit. If the halyard is at the mast it doesn't make sense to led the reef line to the cockpit. As other have stated the reef point in the sail are to tie up the excess material, but I find it usually unnecessary. I have had sailmakers tell me they are a bad idea in that if the reef line should break it will tear the middle of the sail out. Remember if you are considering whether to reef or not you are already to late. It is easier to shake them out than put them in.
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,480
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
I think I can use Skip's advice when I undo my single line system and go back to 2 lines. i.e., if you have been trying to lead all lines aft, it makes sense to do the same with reefing. So I will plan on reefing my fwd reef point with the line I already have lead back, and reef the aft reef point with the aft boom cleat. This should resolve the friction problem and avoid going forward to reef.
It's always great to read comments from other sailors. Eventually something resonates.
 
Jun 5, 2014
209
Capital Yacths Newport MKIII 30 Punta Gorda, Fl
Skip

Good point on not tying up the the middle reefing points. I had not thought about it ripping the sail if the clew or tack was to break loose. I think I will leave the middle points loose.

Thanks, Mike
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
...This should resolve the friction problem and avoid going forward to reef.....
Don't overestimate the friction concern. It's really not a "problem", per se. A decent reefing system would run through blocks, and not drag through cringles and such as maybe in days past. I have one-line, and many a crew of lesser muscle has made it work.
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,480
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Don't overestimate the friction concern. It's really not a "problem", per se. A decent reefing system would run through blocks, and not drag through cringles and such as maybe in days past. I have one-line, and many a crew of lesser muscle has made it work.
Ron, I'm seriously looking at a Beneteau like yours when I get my next boat, but my bargain basement MacGregor has to live with cringles for reef points. ;)