Re-sealing Portlight Frames

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Jun 5, 2004
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Replace a couple of damaged portlights with new ones from Gray. However I must be doing something wrong, because I keep getting leaks around the frame.

What I think I am doing wrong is using the wrong caulking compound.

What should I be using? Should I stay away from anything in particular? (e.g. does 4200 attack the plastic?)
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Hello Debra, ye still be about I see. When I replaced my portlights I used LifeCaulk but my portlights are bronze. Were the perimeters of the holes solid? It is hard to caulk properly if the area around the spigots is not firm. Here is a chart that I always resort to:

Sealants
Polysulfides You can—and should—use polysulfide to bed almost everything. A synthetic rubber with excellent adhesive characteristics, polysulfide is the most versatile of marine sealants. As a bedding compound it allows for the movements associated with stress and temperature change, yet maintains the integrity of the seal by gripping tenaciously to both surfaces. It even adheres to oily teak and is unaffected by harsh teak cleaners, making it the choice for bedding teak rails and trim. It is also an excellent caulking compound since it can be sanded after it cures and it takes paint well. (The black caulking between the planks of a teak deck is invariably polysulfide.) “3M 101”, “Boat Lifes’s Life-Caulk”

One caution: do not use polysulfide to bed plastic—as in deadlights, portlight frames, or deck fittings. The solvents in polysulfide will cause acrylic, polycarbonate, ABS, and PVC to harden and split. Only when you know for certain that a plastic fitting is made of epoxy, nylon, or Delrin can you safely bed it with polysulfide. Below-the-waterline through-hull fittings fall into this group, but if you have any doubt, use another sealant.

Polyurethane Consider polyurethane an adhesive rather than a sealant. Fittings bedded with polyurethane typically cannot be separated without damage, so do not use it on anything you might need to dismantle in the future. Polyurethane is an excellent sealant for hull-to-deck and hull-to-keel joints and a good choice for through-hull fittings, rubrails, and toerails. Do not, however, bed teak rails with polyurethane because teak cleaners damage it. Like polysulfide, polyurethane should not be used on acrylic, polycarbonate, PVC, or ABS-based fittings.
“3M 4200”, 3M 5200”

Silicone If you think of silicone as a gasket material instead of a sealant you can probably intuit its appropriate uses. It is the best choice for bedding components that must be periodically dismantled. Its excellent insulating properties make it ideal for bedding dissimilar metals—stainless hardware on an aluminum spar, for example. And it is—by default—the only one of the marine sealant trio than can be safely used to bed plastic. However, silicone should not be used below the waterline. And because it depends upon mechanical compression to maintain its seal, silicone is also a poor choice for sealing hardware on a cored deck.

Keep this quick review in mind when you’re considering a bedding compound:

Polysulfide—a sealant suitable for bedding everything except plastic.
Polyurethane—an adhesive that forms a permanent bond.
Silicone—a gasket material and electrical insulator.
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Incidentally, our H37C portlights were originally bedded with Silicone.
 
Jun 5, 2004
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The holes through the cabin are good. I had to do some expensive repair on them. In part because Gray did slightly redesign the portlights - the drains are in slightly different spots, and 2 of them needed extensive repair do to rot in the core. (I Love Epoxy!).

I did use Silicone, and a fair amount. I guess I will just have to try, try again.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
So let me understand about "try, try, again". Your portlights are in place and very tightly screwed down from the inside, right? Then with the outside trim ring removed you are looking at the gap between the spigot and the cabin sides. And you are packing that gap full and overflowing with silicone. And then are you screwing the trim rings down or letting the silicone hold them?
 

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Jun 5, 2004
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Yes

Put some silicone on the frames, put them in and screw them tight. Go outside, fill the gap to overflowing. Put silicone on the trim rings and screw them down (actually that may be part of the problem.... 2 are cracked, and I have to order replacement trim rings.)

Using a GE-brand of outdoor-rated silicone.
 
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