Re-bedding Deck Hardware

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Ducati

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Nov 19, 2008
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Boatless Boatless Annapolis
This is our first year with our used boat (2006). As far as I know the deck hardware has never been checked for leaks or removed, cleaned, sealed and re-bedded.

Next year I plan to do that job and would like to know the correct method for doing this.

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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
This is how I do it..

Bedding Deck Hardware With Butyl Tape (LINK)

You can also read this:

Sealing Deck Core Penetrations (LINK)



P.S. If you are interested in using butyl I am very close to a deal with a company that can get me the right butyl tape which I can then supply to the boating community. I have spent many months trying to source the best product for the joband one that I can pass on at a decent value.
 

Bob S

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Sep 27, 2007
1,797
Beneteau 393 New Bedford, MA
Question Maine,

I read one of your posts that your CS was originally bedded with butyl rubber. Did you ever have leaks. I ask because I was thinking if the hardware was bed properly using butyl tape with no signs of leakage would it be necessary to seal the deck with epoxy? Just a thought.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
I would go to the 36.7 class sight as you will be able to get more exact info about the problem areas on your boat

Depending on how the liner blocks nuts it could be a fairly epic job
 
Sep 25, 2008
1,096
CS 30 Toronto
25 years no leak

My 1985 CS30 was bedded with butyl tape from the factory. No leak anywhere except the stenchion bases. The nuts does came loose so I tighten them from time to time. Anywhere I can get at I put a spring washer under the nut.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Re: 25 years no leak

Much depends on the methods used. When I mounted all of my deck hardware I used a large countersink and chamferred the fastener holes so that when the bolts were tightened it sqeezed the sealant into the chamfer and formed an "O-ring" seal around the bolt. My deck is cored with Airex foam core so I am not concerned about sealing the the core. Over ten years and there is no sign of any leaks
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,169
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Wow, your boat is only 4 years old.... if I saw signs of leaking I might call the factory for advice. That said... it sounds like a job to do in pieces instead of all at once. Unless there are some obvious leaks, I'd tackle the high probablility areas, like stanchions, first. Then rebed a few pieces at a time each year.
 
Jun 7, 2007
515
Hunter 320 Williamsburg
Stop. Do not rebed unless leaks are apparent. I got T-boned by a Coast Guard cutter last summer (my fault, don't ask for details), and have spent the past year trying to get just one stanchion rebeded correctly. In my fifth try, I've now switched from machine screw to wood screw for more bite. Leave well enough alone.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Stop. Do not rebed unless leaks are apparent. I got T-boned by a Coast Guard cutter last summer (my fault, don't ask for details), and have spent the past year trying to get just one stanchion rebeded correctly. In my fifth try, I've now switched from machine screw to wood screw for more bite. Leave well enough alone.
Deadline,


Leaks are not always apparent when a bolt goes through a wood cored deck as the balsa or marine ply absorb much of the leak before it has a chance to drip. Often times it is not until the wood is saturated that the moisture begins to drip on the inside of the vessel. It is always imperative to never seal the INSIDE of the deck with bedding compound. You want to see the leak so you don't require a 20-30k deck job. A moisture meter and spot soundings around deck hardware are often the only signs of moisture ingress.

Add hull liners and bolts that are not visible to the mix and you can turn a deck into a pile of mushy oatmeal in rather short order if you are not watching it. I own a moisture meter for more than just looking at new boats. I monitor my own decks with it.

Are you really serious that you have stanchions held in by screws? I certainly hope for your safety,and the safety of your guests, that they are going into an embedded metal plate and are tapped into it.

Catalina is using embedded aluminum plates in the deck, I really, really dislike this construction. I ripped one clean out of the aluminum and had to through bolt it to repair when my boat was hit on her mooring by another boat. In one season I already had the beginnings of aluminum/stainless corrosion on some of the fittings. When re-bedding I used Tef-Gell on all the threads contacts of stainless to aluminum.

Generally the best course of action is through bolted with large backing plates or fender washers. Re-bedding is really not that difficult except for access. Many of the production builders do a REALLY poor job of bedding. I rebedded my 2005 Catalina 310 in 2006 cause I had MULTIPLE leaks. This is 150% unacceptable on a 1 year old boat. Heck it would be unacceptable on a ten year old boat with the exception of perhaps the occasional stanchion.

If they would just take the time to countersink/bevel/chamfer the deck, leaks would mostly be a thing of the past and greatly reduced. Sadly, I guess the extra 30 seconds per fitting is too much to ask from a production builder...:doh:

Morris Yachts and Hinckley & J Boat, among other quality builders, all countersink the holes slightly before bedding. The big three don't...

Also keep in mind that your leaking stanchion may be the EXIT source for a leak further up the deck that is migrating through the deck and out your stanchion. If that is the case you will never seal it up until you find the primary leak.

A Morris Yachts deck fitting hole getting countersunk:


All four of these chamfers, combined, took under 30 seconds:
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Stop. Do not rebed unless leaks are apparent. I got T-boned by a Coast Guard cutter last summer (my fault, don't ask for details), and have spent the past year trying to get just one stanchion rebeded correctly. In my fifth try, I've now switched from machine screw to wood screw for more bite. Leave well enough alone.
You should be using machine screws that are bolted through the deck with backing plates. What exactly are the wood screws biting into? Wood screws are not the proper fasteners for stanchions. If they are not through bolted then you really should fix this. It is a huge safety issue.

Stanchions are usually the first thing to start leaking because of flexing and non-flexible sealant. This is why butyl is superior for this type of bedding.

BTW, my boat has excellent access to all under deck hardware. Even the stanchion bases and sail tracks. The builder recognized the fact that access was important to certain owners.
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,792
- -- -Bayfield
Butyl Tape is a thing of the past. It was used for hull to deck joints and a host of other other sealing purposes. If you want to use it, fine, if it works. But, there are so many good caulks on the market today provided by Mother Mining (3M), Boat Life, Starbright and more. Do not use an adhesive caulk like 3M 5200 for deck fittings. Silicone is better for that purpose. Check out various manufacture's caulking products for their recommendations and buy the ones that are readily available at your local ship's store.
 
Aug 3, 2010
88
Oday 28 Malletts Bay, Lake Champlain
Related question?

If I am replaced deck hardware, say a winch, how should I rebed it?
 
Jul 29, 2010
1,392
Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
Over a 40 year period I've always used Boat Life. Too old to change now. Fair Winds...
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Butyl Tape is a thing of the past. It was used for hull to deck joints and a host of other other sealing purposes. If you want to use it, fine, if it works. But, there are so many good caulks on the market today provided by Mother Mining (3M), Boat Life, Starbright and more. Do not use an adhesive caulk like 3M 5200 for deck fittings. Silicone is better for that purpose. Check out various manufacture's caulking products for their recommendations and buy the ones that are readily available at your local ship's store.
Silicone caulk and boats should never be used in the same sentence.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Actually guys silicone is the product of choice for bedding the large acrylic windows in the new boats. The recommended product is DOW 795. I can tell you that it is a bitch to remove, but once you get them sealed it is good for many years.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Now you tell me. Per written instructions from Beckson, I bedded 6 new portlights with silly-cone last summer. Thanks.
There are a few cases where silicone can or should be used. Acrylic dead lights, acrylic hatch lenses and Beckson plastic ports. Be aware thought that when you need to replace the Beckson ports, or the hatch or the dead lights that you MUST remove all silicone contamination and only a judicious sanding will eventually do this. There are no chemicals that I knwo of that won't also damage the fiberglass that actually get silicone out of gelcoat.. If water beads where the silicone was it will leak prematurely..
 
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