Raymarine Warning Raystar125 Possible Failure!

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Hi All, As always I like to pass on information to fellow boaters that manufacturers fail to see as important. My electronics were brand new in 2005 and all Raymarine. I have a C-80 display, Depth, Speed, Wind and Auto Pilot. Today I went to my boat to go for an evening sail on the first sunny day of the year and I can't seem to get a GPS fix. A short while later I notice that my Auto Pilot Display is reading STLK FAILURE. So I go below and get my manual. After a long time on hold I actually get a human being on the phone and he tells me stray current has hit me from a lightning strike? Hmmmm seems strange that my wind, depth, radar, chartplotter, stereo, vhf, ipod, refrigeration, running lights, macerator etc. etc all seem to work but this failure must have been lightning? So I take apart my Navpods and dig in to the wiring disconnecting things in the Sea Talk buss to see what is causing the problem. The minute I disconnect the C-80 from the rest of the instruments my autopilot begins working perfectly? Hmmmm seems strange. So now I know my autopilot and everything else but my GPS fix works. Next I begin tapping on my Raystar125 GPS antenna, kind of like kicking tires, and what do you know there is water coming out of the antenna? I then take my screwdriver and unscrew the base from the antenna and it's FULL of water and certainly fried! So now I'm pissed. I have an "all weather" antenna designed for marine use and it's full of water? I know its been raining a lot but this is ridiculous. So I dial the dreaded Raymarine tech support number and begin another bout of on hold. While I'm on hold with Raymarine, just for the heck of it, I grab my wife’s phone and call Garmin tech support on the other ear. Guess who won that race?? Garmin picked up in less than 2 minutes. While Raymarine took 19 even with a "direct extension" that was supposed to make my return calls faster. Hey I was bored and it killed time.. So to make a long story even longer the tech support guy at Raymarine says “oh yeah we had a bunch of those Raystar 125's go out that did not have drain holes drilled so I guess that’s sort of our fault”. Hmmmm drain holes drilled? The piece I'm holding in my hand looks like a perfectly fine piece of injection molding and guess what there were no drain holes in the mold!! How about admitting you guys F@#ked up and have a design error? How about letting boaters know that they could be stuck without GPS and doing a recall? This would obviously be more important with the Sea Ray crowd than sailors but hey it's just a thought?? ALL of these units will eventually fill up with water and fail! Raymarine please play nice, step up to the plate, eat with the adults and recall these faulty Raystar 125 antenna units! On a lighter note the Raystar 125 also fried my C-80 display when it shorted out. So now I need to drive, not ship, my gear to Nashua, NH to get it fixed. I'll have to do the walk in service because they told me that if I ship it it could take up to four or five weeks? I'd rather take a vacation day than wait four or five weeks for my C-80 to be repaired. Hello this is boating season and its only 10 weeks long? So the long and short of it is that Raymarine is going to replace my antenna and they will fix my C-80 but it's going to cost me a vacation day, $80.00 in fuel and the removal re-install time. If they had sent out a recall I could have had them just send me a Raystar 125 by FedEx because I would have caught it before it ruined my C-80. Next time I'm going back to Garmin or Furuno. The arrogance or Raymarine kills me it's to small an industry to treat your customers like total idiots. The first guy I spoke to on the phone new damn well it was not a lightning strike. If you own a Raystar 125 please, please check it for water intrusion. The photo shows my Raystar 125 draining after unscrewing it from the base!! Note the wet rail. Everything on the boat was bone dry but the antenna….. Happy Sailing -Acoustic
 

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Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,203
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
How Did It Fry The C-80?

I had a 120 replaced also, but different problem. Raymarine stepped up promptly with no cost to me. The new 125 antenna that replaced the 120 is supposed to be superior. After they started drilling drain holes anyway *o I'm curious how the c80 got fried tho. The current sure isn't much between the two. Did they offer an explaination? RD
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Antenna is powered by

the C-80 antenna filled with water and shorted out the Seatalk buss. Evidently Raymarine does not have a fuse in the seatalk buss system? That's all I know until I get it fixed..
 
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Rick I

It's the way it goes in 2006

I have both Raymarine and Garmin. My Raymarine stuff C80 etc. has worked flawlessly since 2004. My Garmin stuff had a bad antenna, the customer service was excellent and they replaced it. Nothing's perfect. It's 2006 and that's the way it goes. You want bad customer support, wait until your fridge goes and you try and contact WAECO.
 
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Doug_Meyer

So where is the Drain Hole supposed to Be?

Since I have a Raystar 125 gps, I would be interested in knowing where the drain hole is supposed to be located. Then my next question is how on earth could water get inside it in the first place? Just curious.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Update on Raymarine Problem

Hi All, I just got back from Raymarine and have all my stuff fixed. According to Raymarine the antenna did not take out my C-80 although after they gave it back to me it had a new base with drain holes and probably a new circuit board? They claim the water intrusion did not cause the failure of the Sea Talk circuit. The antenna is powered by the Sea Talk circuit and was full of water hmmmm? What ever they fixed it. The power supply for my Sea Talk buss in my C-80 was fried so they replaced that circuit board and power supply in a very timely manner. They repaired it in one and a half hours and even replaced my C-80 screen because they said they noticed it was delaminating! No complaints on that front a free new screen and a fixed C-80 wo hooo! While they were at it they even upgraded my firmware so my C-80 is all up to date. All in all, other than long waits for phone support, the folks at Raymarine were nice to deal with and they fixed my gear very promptly, although I did drive it to them and waited for it. Ship to support may not be as fast but they do seem to have about 20+ tech guys fixing equipment, in a very large room, so maybe it wouldn't be as bad as the guy claimed yesterday if you used a next day delivery service.. I still wish Raymarine would admit the design error of the Raystar 125 and recall all the antenna mount bases, or at least post a notice on the web site, but it appears they would rather repair a bunch of C-80's than send out a $3.00 piece of plastic. The comfort level I have with my C-80 is diminished now because they still are not admitting the antenna caused the failure of the C-80. If they at least said the antenna "could" have caused this I would have something to fall back on comfort wise with a new antenna base. Knowing that my Sea Talk buss fried for no apparent reason scares me a little. If you own a Raystar 125 GPS antenna check to make sure it has drain holes around the bottom where it threads onto an antenna mount. If it does not have drain holes call Raymarine and get the updated version. -Acoustic
 
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