:( RANT about ill prepared solo sailor

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fred

"Ken did not apparently encounter any conditions..

that were in the least unusual.." Does not jive with report that said: "He hit a fierce storm about a week ago that broke both the vessel’s masts and its hatches, disabled the steering and soaked Barnes’ supplies and food." Does the above describe your 'ususal' sailing conditons, Ted?
 
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Capt Ron

Demast in a Roll-over?

I had heard the masts were broke in a roll-over during the storm. Did anyone else hear this?
 
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Paul H.

Rough Conditions???

Even though the press writes that he ran into severe conditions, I am not impressed. The data they are giving is 45 knot winds and 25 foot seas. These are not extreme conditions for the southern ocean, rather pretty common conditions. 45 knots is definitely strong wind, but we hit those wind speeds occasionally in SF Bay on summer afternoons. I would say it is very likely that in the southern ocean, a 45 knot gale occasionally gusts to 60, which is definitely heavy weather. Hold your hand out the window of your car on the freeway, and you get an idea of this wind strength. I gotta say, though, that anyone attempting to sail around the world via the three capes should be ready to handle a little 45 knot gale. 25' seas are something that he should be able to take in stride. Especially in the summer, it is common to experience sustained winds of 60 - 70 knots with seas 35' and higher, with the occasional 50 - 60' "rogue" wave--in the Drake Passage. Much more extreme weather has also been reported many times--100 -120 foot waves, and wind gusts of 130 - 150 knots. For the souther ocean and Cape Horn--that wasn't much of a storm. Paul H.
 

tweitz

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Oct 30, 2005
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Beneteau 323 East Hampton, New York
Usual conditions

The issue is not "my usual conditions." Its the usual conditions when you transit the southern Pacific Ocean and head for Cape Horn. I would not go out in it, but I did not see any report that he hit a hurricane or Force 9 winds. It sounded like he hit a series of lows that would create conditions that would be frightening for a near shore sailor like me. But Cape Horn has a reputation for being some of the most dangerous waters in the world, and that was where he was heading. So even hurricane force winds and huge swells are not unusual conditions. Donna Lange said on her website "Hit by the wrath of Cape Horne, Ken Barnes, another solo sailor on a 44-foot Ketch has fatal damaged to his vessel which will be scuttled as soon as Ken is rescued. Trawler Polar Pesca 1 is nearing... Donna (150 miles North) was able to navigate the storm and maintain control without serious consequences." While conditions may have been worse for Ken, he was on a 44 foot boat, Donna on a 28 -- an awfully big difference.
 
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Scott

Fred, what is unusual about fierce storms ...

when approaching Cape Horn? I think Ted's post is right on. We don't know exactly how fierce the storm was and I don't know how much we can trust journalistic embellishment. Part of the point is that the broken masts and hatches may have had more to do with the lack of preparation, maintenance and skill of the sailor than with how bad the storm was. We can't tell from the description of the storm from journalists but we got some hints of his shortcomings from his postings. One of the postings that is a good indicator that he was in way over his head was the surprise he had for the size of waves as he was approaching Cape Horn. He may have been better off if the first time he became astonished by sea conditions happened on a shakedown cruise rather than as he was approaching Cape Horn.
 
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Sailormom

Handling of mainsail

I posted this on another thread... I am truly glad he's rescued. We've done some extended cruising, no further than 35 miles offshore at any time, however, and no single run longer than 2-3 days. However, my husband and I were reading his blog and, among other comments that sounded odd to us, we read his ordeal about taking down the main while running downwind_in_a_gale. He broke the top batten and had some damage to some other rigging. We were giving him the benefit of the doubt up to that point, but then we just looked at each other after reading that statement. Seriously, if you have control over your boat (which it seems that he did b/c he set the autopilot for downwind before lowering the main), is there ever a time when you would want to do that...? I also read today that his girlfriend said that his leg was injured but he had "gotten rid of" (?) his medical supplies because he thought he was going to be rescued immediately. Anyone who has prepared for an offshore trip (even just reading accounts of others being rescued) would know that a rescue 500 miles from shore could take days. Genuinely glad the guy's okay, though.
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Well, he's been rescued.

Safe and sound. The rescue picture was from the stern of the boat. Narrow. It looked like an old boat. Maybe that's a clue. I don't know. P.S. A thought. The sea does cull the heard, doesn't it?
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
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Thanks for that Clyde

The picture on the right shows the mainmast spreaders. Note the lowers. Wrong angle. They should be at 15% UP, not DOWN. Much strength lost. And did he REALLY plan to go to sea with that DODGER??!! The picture on the right also says a lot. That boat could be homebuilt. I wonder who the NA was, IF ANY? Bet the skipper had no idea what his stability was. Bet he didn't know to slow his boat with warps or ???(lots of ways to do it) when running in a gale. (who does that?) (someone already asked that) And a picture of the boat with full sail and the skipper posing on the bow sprit; EGO. (someone already said that too) I wouldn't own that boat much less try to sail it around the world alone. But that's an empty statement after the fact P.S. WHOA! OFF-CENTER COMPANION WAY! THE most dangerous design-error ever made! Never go to sea in such a vessel. P.S.-again. No wire between the top of the mizzen and mainmast. Who does that? It's a ketch for heaven sake. OK that's a backyard-built boat. Probably the product of some old '60 codger who quit before completion. They used to be all over up here in Puget Sound. The plans often came from a matchbook. Hope he has to pay for the full cost of his rescue!
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
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More ranting;

Clyde there was a clue mentioned earlier that said he set his autopilot to shorten the main while running before the gale. Instead of the dodger blowing away I think a more likely cause of this inevitable wreck was a result of such 'seamanship'. That boat had little stability while running and the skipper didn't or couldn't slow or head-up. The boat spun out and broached, thus leaving it exposed for a roll-over. Or it pitch-poled. Wrong boat, wrong place at the wrong time with the WRONG SKIPPER.
 

Ken

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 22 P. P. Y. C.
Insurance?

On Donna Lange's site she says: (he is looking to scuttle the boat and get off.) My question is would any insurance company not have a serious question about an owner scuttling his boat then getting off? Way too many questions and not enough answers it seems
 

tweitz

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Oct 30, 2005
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Beneteau 323 East Hampton, New York
Ken's boat

Chances are good he did not have insurance. Its very hard to get insurance for a solo circumnavigation. The details on the boat are provided on his site at the below link. It was a Maurcie Griffiths design built in Malta out of steel. Griffiths was a pretty well known writer and designer, but the boat was built quite a while ago and could have been modified. I understand your comment on the dodger, but I am curious why you say an off center companionway is a major problem.
 
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Sailormom

More on boat

Also on his Ken's website, he mentions that his boat was a 1994 Robert Perry design b/c he mentions talking in person with Robert Perry. He says Perry told him it would be fine to remove two plates off the side of the keel. So the boat had been modified before he left. Never mentioned the displacement ratio of keel to total displacement. Just that the boat was 50,000lbs.
 
Jan 5, 2007
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Boy is there a lot of misinformation ...

...being posted here in the last day. While we're all pleased with the rescue and there is much information yet to come and questions to be asked and answered...there is also a bunch of slightly off info posted here in the last 24 hours: 1. Earmuffs are what he wore...not ear plugs. 2. NBC VOICE interview now available through the kensolo.com website. Ken says...he was in 40 knot or so winds and big seas RUNNING UNDER MIZZEN alone when a 50+ knot gust hit the boat and slewed him sideways onto the face of a breaking 25' sea where he was rolled and did all the damage. Why a mizzen only is a question to yet be answered but it explains why the mizzen was lost and only half of the main. 3. He said there were hatches stove in and water below and he was concerned that getting rolled again would sink him. Over the last 3 days he had concentrated on clearing the mess and getting 300ft. drougues deployed and keeping water out. Had a deep but not serious gash on his hip. 4. The boat was built by a boatyard in Europe...not a backyard. 5. Perry's only involvement was to consult with him and tell him that he could safely remove the 2 steel plate bilge keels (400lbs). So...there is plenty left to still learn and probably criticize but we don't have to spread rumours anymore on the above points.
 
Sep 25, 2006
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Hunter 420 SD
i'm happy he survived but.....

I gotta agree with the moody and the other realists. Especially, the whole thing about him not cooking and refusing to cook. That speaks volumes on who this guy must be, someone with a FAT trust fund. WTF! has he had servants cook for him his entire life? who the hell doesn't cook and refuses too? Silver spoon kid thats who! However, just because somebody lives in Cali doesn't mean they're a Dr. Feelgood. a few of us actually weren't born into the Yacht Club lifestyle and can't afford to be members anyway. I agree though that this kinda yahoo stuff makes it harder for people who actually give a crap about the process and prepare themselves for their adventures. I might be wrong but this reeks of bored rich guy with daddy's inheritance setting off to make a name for himself. fortunately for him he will land on a comfy sofa in hermosa. what a waste of a nice boat that some poor kids coulda had some fun on late PS Now if i try and get insured for a big trip my rates just tripled. thanks buddy
 
Nov 27, 2005
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Very good point "camaraderie"

and thanks for clearing up some facts. I had read some of the same things and was hoping someone would chime in and set things straight. Most bothering was some inuendo that the boat was some cheesy half baked boat. From all accounts it was ok and probably worthy of sailing around the world. Now some of Ken's "weather routing" decisions and maybe his "heavy weather sailing skills" could be called into question. I would not say the boat was not the big problem. I think Ken was woefully inadequate in his knowledge of that boat offshore in heavy conditions and as can be seen it didn't take long for him to wreck it. Going back to my "original" rant - it was not a Solo Circumnavigation and not that someone had to be rescued, (I love Bold Adventures but with competent people doing it) but rather he was not prepared as a off shore sailor and did not have the skills and experience to conquer the task "His Southern California feel good ego was leaps and bounds beyond his skills and experience. He never even tried one sail to Hawaii first He just went straight for "AROUND THE WORLD/NON STOP/SOLO"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now compare everything we have read about Ken and how he approached this "qwest" to someone like Bernard Moitessier who spent half his life sailing the oceans in small incremental steps before attemping to "round the cape". Please read below the excerpts about Bernard Moitessier's experience with Rounding the cape -- Please Note how he used prior experiences and knowledge of his boat to "tame" his transit around the cape from one of the "worst gales, with its monstrous seas" to an "easy going passage around the Cape" despite the conditions -- My point is Ken had none of the experience and never paid the price of time and sea miles to "deserve" a roud the cape circumnavigation. He was gambling with low odd's and it came up snake eyes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Exerpts about Bernard from here http://www.bluemoment.com/moitessier.html In the first of many gales, Bernard experi- mented with various types of drogues, warps for trailing astern, and sea anchors, analyzing the techniques of many who went before him, such as Dumas, Slocum, and Smeeton. It was during the worst one of these gales, with its monstrous seas, that Bernard conceived a bold technique. After a long weary stretch at the helm, while dragging warps to prevent broaching or pitchpoling, it came to Moitessier that Joshua was essentially a trade winds vessel, entirely out of place in these latitudes. He tried to recall what Dumas had said, but could not remember. He called down to Francoise to look it up in the book.(9) The secret was there somewhere. Francoise read aloud to him. Then they came to it. Dumas had followed the Roaring Forties all around the world, not by dragging warps (the Slocum school of thought), but by carrying sail and running with the seas (the Dumas school of thought). His technique was to take the seas at an angle of 15-20 [deg] instead of straight on the stern. That was it! Bernard immediately cut loose all his warps and let Joshua run. As a big comber came up roaring behind him, Bernard would put the helm down and present Joshua's stern at about a 15 [deg] angle. The vessel would heel over sharply but respond perfectly to the rudder, and the comber would break harmlessly alongside. He had discovered the secret of Dumas, and it had worked! From then on, the passage around the Cape was easy going
 
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Anchor Down

Thanks, Camraderie

On his site, the boat is identified as a "Maurice Griffiths designed 44’ staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in 1993." Later, he "consulted with designer Robert Perry," but this is not to mean R. Perry designed this particular boat; just that Perry is a designer, and apparently okayed the sawing off of the bilge keels. Overall, two thoughts: 1) glad he's okay, and 2) I agree: he was at the wrong end of the learning curve to try this.
 
Nov 27, 2005
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Just learned more 'tidbits' directly from Ken

There was a live phone interview with Ken and its linked onto his website. It adds more "color" to what happened, his attitude and how unprepared he was on his boat ( He took this "adventure" WAY too casually For instance when asked if he worried he said "He always know that he could just send off an EPIRB and get rescued, he was never concerned". (poor attitude and thought process to do a Circumnavigation) When asked "What did you think after you realized you lost your mast and couldn't continue" He responded "There goes my speaking career" !?! Now I gotta give the guy a little credit for a sense of humor, but that remark is WAY TOO FLIPPANT considering everything. But more importantly its VERY telling. Typically when someone blurts out something like that, then they really meant it and to him wanting to do speaking tours shows that a big reason this was done is to pump up his EGO -- I nailed it early on. I REALLY have to start questioning how prepared he really was and how prepared he made the boat. I was totally taken aback when he said his boat got knocked down he said that "the batteries that used to be below the floorboards were now above the sink" !?! Wha ! ANYONE worth their salt knows that if they are going off shore they should think about one word "INVERTED". Its talked about time and again by all ocean going sailors. You should ALWAYS secure everything in your boat such that if it were to be on its side or upside down that all major heavy objects would not come out of their place. He obviously did not make that a priority or the batteries would have been one of the first things you TOTALLY secure somehow in place The more I hear, The more I learn, the more see, the more I know that this was an EGO DRIVEN FOLLY with less regard for anyone but Ken and his ego. I submit that in some ways Ken is guilty of gross incompetance considering his "avdenture". Its analogous to someone that hiked some local hills his whole life and then one day decided to climb Mt Everest ALONE ! Click below to listen to the Audio interview of Ken
 
Mar 4, 2004
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Hunter 37.5 Orcas Island, WA
A View from Latitude 38

Latitude 38 is my favorite sailing magazine and is very well respected. In response to a reader's letter on the subject of frequency of disasters involving cruising sailboats, Richard Spindler, Publisher, responded with a thoughtful piece which included a litany of experienced sailors losing their boats after which he wrote: "So many sailors seem to want to blame lack of experience for the causes of maritime disasters, but, based on what we know, it's just one of many causes--and not a very big one at that." (January 2007 issue, p.62) Fatigue, fear, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and yes inexperience relative to the scope of the adventure were probably all contributors. Also quoted in the article: "The bullets are real out there." Gary Wyngarden S/V Wanderlust h37.5
 

Rick D

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Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Some LA Times Comments

I haven't been following this that closely, but the LAT today reported that several rescue vessels including commercial ships had to abort due to conditions. It also quotes a Chilean official as saying the conditions were as bad as he'd known. Interestingly, he quotes conditions in the area as wind speeds to 108 MPH and seas to 45'. They also said the hull was breached at the bow after being hit by a large wave while Ken was below and that he had 3 feet of water in the cabin. Now, the LAT isn't a sailing periodical by any measure, so you have to take that with a grain of salt, but maybe the conditions were survival if even close to accurate. Rick D.
 
Nov 27, 2005
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- - West Des Moines, Iowa
Rick I don't expect the LA Times to get it right

Why don't you read the direct logs from the website or evn listen to Ken audio interview of the event. It contradicts things you said the LAT reported. For instance Ken described what happened and the conditions. Ken never mentioned he was down below and never claimed 100 mph winds. He said he was tooling along in 35-40 kt winds when he got hit by a 50 kt gust that made the boat round up and that when he couldn't keep the helm from steering him sidways into a big wave which caused him to roll the boat Here is the audio interview http://a.media.abcnews.com/podcasts/070105kenbarnes_phoner.mp3 Plus he had all the benefits of weather tracking and seeing storms and condtions ahead of him. Much Much more than most circumnavigators that went before him, but due to his inexperience at anything offshore like this he just carried on when a little re-routing or heaving too for a little while might have allowed the bad part of the storm to go by. Gary W. I too respect Latitudes 38 and I agree with their quotes. Heck even one of the greatest circumnavigators of all time, Bernard Moitessier, wrecked 2 boats before be did some of greatest accomplishments . Though in this case with Ken Barnes is akin to a day hiker deciding his next big hike would be Mt Everest. He never even knew what he was getting himself into.
 
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