Radar Installation Questions

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Bob Gauvreau

Hello, All.... We will soon be installing radar on our C36 MKII, standard rig. Brand will probably be a Raytheon RL70, or RL70RC (still trying to decide...cost IS a factor), since we already have other Raytheon instruments and are happy with them. We have the following questions: - Mast mount or pole mount on stern? - If pole mount, height of pole? Any other issues regarding pole? - Rigid or gimbaled mount (whether on mast or pole mount)? - Radar only (RL70), or radar/chart combo (RL70RC) - 2K or 4K dome? - Anything else we should be aware of? Thanks in advance for your comments and recommendations!! Bob.
 
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Marc Gibson

I have the same questions

Bob, I have a 2000 Catalina 36 mkII and plan to install a radar/chart plotter. Like you I have been asking for advice and getting mixed results. I really trust my dealer's rigger. He suggests a gimballed pole on the stern. Catalina offers a mast mounted option that I decided not to purchase. I considered a mount on the back stay. However, I also plan to add a SSB radio and will use the back stay for the antenna. The extra weight & strain of a radar installation does not sound like a good idea, so I scratched this idea. Fortunately (for me!), the Valiant sailboat plant is just north of us. I plan to have the boat hauled to them and follow their advice on installation. Valiant builds world class offshore cruising boats. Do you have a builder like Valiant you can contact? Unfortunately (for you!), I am not planning my installation until fall 2001, so I can't help right now. I would like to hear what you come up with. Good luck, let me know what you decide. Marc
 
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Jack Ferrell

I recently installed aRaytheon RL70 on my 380. I ordered a custom 3" stainless from Garhauer with a gimbel that is screw-adjusted to compensate for heel. I chose a stern-mounted mast, (10 ft. from lwere transom steo to radar) to facilitate servicing and serve as a base for other equipment, e.g. GPS antenna, television antenna, dinghy engine lift, etc. @K dome. I chose 2K because I saw no need for anything more powerful due to earth curvature; I seldom use the radar for anything further than 12 miles, with most of the time on the 1 to 3 mile ranges. The screw idea for adjusting radar has proven to be very useful. Since the heel angle under sail is nearly constant, so therefore is the setting. Instead of the radar swinging back and forth, it holds steady. Under power, it works equally well...besids, it's cheaper than traditional gimbeling.
 
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Ron Doescher

Radar on board

1. The previous reply about earth curvature & short-range use is right on target. Antenna height is probably the biggest factor in any appreciable range increase. Very few pleasure sail boats have enough mast height (or could stand the extra weight that high up if they did) to justify the 4KW power. And, the extra 3db of power doesn't equate to much of a range increase for an equivalent target size, anyway. 2. I'd see how the Catalina factory mounts the radar antenna when they do the factory installations. I'm sure they would be happy to advise you. Most installations I've seen have it on the mast about 2/3 of the way up as a compromise bewteen height and changing the mass-moment of the rig. 3. If you do a pole mount, just ensure the antenna is as far removed from the helmsman's head (and any other electronics) as possible. The electromagnetic radiation hazards at high power levels (i.e., cooking) is well known; less well known are the subtle effects of the lower power radiation levels further removed from the main beam. 4. I really wonder how large an effect moderate heeling might have on the radar signals. Most of these antennas have broad vertical beamwidth, and strive for a very narrow horizontal beamwidth. Therefore, at moderate heeling much of the forward radiated energy is still getting out there. 5. Consider where you are going to need the display before you settle on one or the other. I've used radar on a schooner with a full crew, and having the display at the nav station below made sense. However, on my C320 where I'm usually sailing short-handed, I have that display at the helm where I can use it when I need it the most. Therefore, a display that is waterproof & has good luminance qualities was paramount. Further, I can tie it into my GPS and other instruments. I went with the RL70RC.
 
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