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Racing on Galveston Bay

Jan 22, 2008
629
Hunter 340 Baytown TX
We were on the bay last Sunday, Mother’s Day, and we weren’t alone. Boats of all kinds and sizes on the water and people everywhere on shore.
Right or wrong and all the other issues with what activities should or should not be done in our current situation are on another thread for discussion.
Here’s the link to the video if you want to watch:

 
Nov 8, 2010
10,846
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Love watching your vids!

Here's a tip.. At 2:50 into the vid for example, have your traveler no higher than needed to place the boon correctly with the right amount of twist. When eased that far with the vang on, all that extra sheet out allows the boom/sail to 'bounce', which is wasted energy!
 
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Jan 22, 2008
629
Hunter 340 Baytown TX
Love watching your vids!

Here's a tip.. At 2:50 into the vid for example, have your traveler no higher than needed to place the boon correctly with the right amount of twist. When eased that far with the vang on, all that extra sheet out allows the boom/sail to 'bounce', which is wasted energy!
Yes, see your point. We took the sheet in on the next tack, the traveler was hitting the stops.
Twist is the one thing I can’t ever seem to get right. But, this boat will let you know when it is right with the oversized main. I keep thinking lots of twist in light air, more than you think you need, moving to almost no twist in medium winds and back to lots in heavy till you reef. It’s a comparatively low aspect mainsail with a 16’ foot, so twist matters a lot. Crew tells me I’m too tight on the outhaul, but I try to keep shallow draft in the long foot to keep flow attached. I don’t know where I got that idea from, but it stuck. So, maybe not such a good idea?
 
Nov 8, 2010
10,846
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Yes, see your point. We took the sheet in on the next tack, the traveler was hitting the stops.
Twist is the one thing I can’t ever seem to get right. But, this boat will let you know when it is right with the oversized main. I keep thinking lots of twist in light air, more than you think you need, moving to almost no twist in medium winds and back to lots in heavy till you reef. It’s a comparatively low aspect mainsail with a 16’ foot, so twist matters a lot. Crew tells me I’m too tight on the outhaul, but I try to keep shallow draft in the long foot to keep flow attached. I don’t know where I got that idea from, but it stuck. So, maybe not such a good idea?
Well light airs is where the action is at. In breeze, you set to keep the boat fast and flat. It will tell you when you're wrong!

In light air, and with a big main, you are correct the key is to keep attached flow. The first thing I would do make sure you have several sets of tell-tails across the body on both sides of the sail, and good tell-tails on the leech. Too much draft (a good mid-air setting) will stall flow in light airs. Remember that the outhaul only effects the lower 1/3 of the sail. The middle is controlled by mast bend (backstay). The top you twist.
 
Jan 22, 2008
629
Hunter 340 Baytown TX
Another race last Sunday with a little different twist to this video. Besides the cameras on my boat, I had a camera on a Hunter 40 and got clips from cameras on a J/105 and Catalina 355. So views from four boats of the race in the video.
 
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Jan 22, 2008
629
Hunter 340 Baytown TX
We suck in winds over 20 knots. Same problems, headstay sag and leeway heeled over. Should have reefed, but forecast called for decreasing winds and it never happened. Lots of fun, though.
 
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Nov 8, 2010
10,846
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
We suck in winds over 20 knots. Same problems, headstay sag and leeway heeled over. Should have reefed, but forecast called for decreasing winds and it never happened. Lots of fun, though.
Oh Bill - you're going to break your rudder driving like that with all the adverse helm! Really. Get the boat flat, none of your foils are working. That's Job-#1. Jib cars back (they are all the way forward in the vids) will help twist off the top of the jib and flatten the boat.

I have advice for the main, but sadly you're boat isn't set up to do it. If you don't reef, you need to blade off the main (widen the AOA), and sail just the back half (leech side) of the sail. The front near the luff will bubble, but keeping the back half flying helps drive and ballance the boat. But this requires a strong vang (probably OK there), but more importantly a mainsheet you can play like a fiddle; trimmer watching the sail 100% of the time and adjusting to keep flow.
 
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Jan 22, 2008
629
Hunter 340 Baytown TX
Oh Bill - you're going to break your rudder driving like that with all the adverse helm! Really. Get the boat flat, none of your foils are working. That's Job-#1. Jib cars back (they are all the way forward in the vids) will help twist off the top of the jib and flatten the boat.

I have advice for the main, but sadly you're boat isn't set up to do it. If you don't reef, you need to blade off the main (widen the AOA), and sail just the back half (leech side) of the sail. The front near the luff will bubble, but keeping the back half flying helps drive and ballance the boat. But this requires a strong vang (probably OK there), but more importantly a mainsheet you can play like a fiddle; trimmer watching the sail 100% of the time and adjusting to keep flow.
Love your advice Jackdaw, thanks and I try to follow it. I just don't follow my own advice and reef when its over 15 true. I'm beginning to think the best advice for a Hunter w/o a backstay on a 20 knot race day is to stay at the dock. Every time I had the wheel hard over fighting weather helm I was picturing the rudder under water turned 45 degrees wondering how we were still doing 7 knots straight ahead and not diving like a submarine or spinning out. You can't see it in the video, but the front third of the main was luffing a lot of the close hauled first leg and close reach last leg. We did have max halyard and Cunningham tension on the main to move the draft back. And yes, it is hard to play the mainsheet on a winch.
First Rum Race of 2020 next Saturday, new course, should be a good turnout. Well under 10 knots forecast, so winds may favor us. One crew is supposed to bring a family friend that is a former one design national champ or something like that, so I hope to get some good sail trim tips.
 
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Jan 22, 2008
629
Hunter 340 Baytown TX
Rum Race today and Peanut Regatta on Sunday. Hope to make both, we'll see. Start time about 5:00 PM today, 10 knots SE, hope to see 80+ boats on the Bay. Photo of the course, green arrow forecasted wind.

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In the meantime:
 
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