Questions

Oct 30, 2019
27
An old professor of mine used to say, "There are no stupid questions." (Short pause.) "There are only stupid people who ask questions." (That was a very quiet class.)

Nevertheless, as a Vega fan who has never actually seen one in person, I have a couple:

1. Looking at the drawings, I see the drive shaft going from the engine to the prop, presumably along the centerline. I also see the rudder shaft going from the tiller to the rudder, presumably also along the centerline. Somewhere in there, they have to cross. How do they do that?

2. There is talk about difficulty in handling in close quarters because of the prop/rudder positioning. I have checked the archives and know about the "second rudder" and the transom-mounted rudder, and there was one mention of using a wind vane as a maneuvering aid, though I couldn't find any follow-up on that. Any other comments? How do you handle a "parallel-parked" situation, where you would normally rig an after spring and kick the stern out with power? How about a Med mooring?

I know the answers will become plain just as soon as I hit the "Send" button, but not before, so here goes. Thank you for your indulgence.

Bill Healy
 
Jun 6, 2007
132
Bill,
Perhaps I've misunderstood the questions, but here goes:

I don't know what others do when they are "parallel parked" but the Vega is a light enough boat, that we just put one foot on the boat, one on the dock and pushed the bow out while a stern line was draped over a cleat. Once the bow was out, the stern line was flipped off the cleat and the engine put in gear and away we chugged. With two people this is easy. Single-handing you have to be a bit quick about getting from the bow to the cockpit.

The only time this move was problematic was when a strong wind was pushing the boat against the dock, and then we tended to operate on the notion it was probably a good time to have another cup of tea.

Sheila
 
Oct 25, 2008
168
Albin Marin Vega Bogue Chitto, Miss
Bill,

It is very simple. As long as you are alone there doesn't seem to be any problem with maneuvering. However if you add one bystander to the mix and it all goes to hell. The more people you add, the worse it gets.

The Vega is as bad as it gets in reverse. I always keep a boat hook handy and have plenty of fenders, and say lots of little prayers. It is fortunately a light enough design to be pushed off rather easily, and it is manageable to a degree, but there is very little prop walk to speak of. The problem seems to be that the prop isn't in any kind of housing and its shaft is offset to one side slightly(which explains your second question). I think the rudder may somehow impede the water from flowing to or from the prop, and that the prop doesn't seem to be situated in a way that pushes water evenly along the rudder. I have practiced lots in protected water with virtually no wind or current, and the position of the prop does little initially. Hard over to either side only seems to impare the steerage. I find it best to keep the rudder centerline until sufficient hull speed is reached to gain steerage. Unfortunately it takes real cojones to move
a boat in tight quarters unless you have control. I have a catalina 25 next to me at the marina, and the guy who owns it can pull up and reverse into his slip like he was parking a car. Maybe its just my lack of skill, but I have not been able to replicate his move. However when we get out on the water and the wind lifts a little and most everyone heads back to the slips, the vega really shows her true colors. So its a trade off for me. The sailing charecteristics are worth the hassel at the docks.

K.L.Magee
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi Kenneth - you have summed it up perfectly.

As is said in (I think) the Good Old Boat review of the Vega -
Vegas dont spend much of their time in reverse gear.

But it can be a pain as you say when you see guys reversing in to their
berths...

When I reverse off my berth I am usually reversing downwind and the boat
will try quite hard to turn her tail to the wind, even with some speed on.

And then there is the rock breakwater 10 m downwind of me...

John

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Oct 30, 2019
574
I second, third and fourth all of these answers. Bella couldn't back up straight to save her life. I've experimented some with anchoring off the stern...but because she is so light, it is just as easy to anchor off the bow and let the wind drive me back. If there isn't enough wind, I'll give her some power, knowing full well that she is going to go wherever she wants. In either case, some tension on the anchor rode tends to straighten her out and allow us to continue astern.

I am a bit of a purist and don't use the motor much. I've yet to have a problem (sound of Jack knocking on wood) coming off the dock. I simply leave the stern line in place, backwind the jib, and release the stern line as she points her bow out. We've only had our Vega for a year, but in addition to our Vega, I've sailed similar boats using the same method with little problem.

Pulling into a berth can be challenging. Best case is a nice gentle approach to the end of the berth, then a slow walk into the berth. I've only attempted this once with a friend on board to hop off and help me guide her in to the berth.

I think someone already mentioned that the prop is actually offset of the centerline by just a bit.

Jack
V2620 - Bella
 
Oct 30, 2019
27
Thanks to all for replying to my questions. It did occur to me that one of the shafts (prop/rudder) might be off center, but I would have guessed the rudder shaft.

On the handling issue, there is no single-screw sailboat that does well in reverse, as far as I know. I was just concerned that you can't use power bursts in forward to kick the stern around, but obviously that's not a big enough concern to put people off an otherwise superior boat.

On the parallel-parked issue, Sheila, you echoed my inner voice, which said, "It's not the Queen Mary, Captain Perfect - just shove off and go!" I also like your Tea Protocol.

Thanks again, everyone, and fair winds.

Bill
 
Jun 12, 2010
17
Hello,
I am new to this, just purchased hull # 2417 (Rain Dog)in Juneau Alaska. Will be moving it to Sitka soon. MD6A seems to be OK but I would like some spares, impeller, injector, etc. Any suggestions and where to purchase from? Is the engine worth keeping or should I start planning replacement? If so any suggestions for replacement inboard or outboard. Only one battery in boat where have you placed a second battery, I like 2. Also need ideas on removing old smells (mold/mildew) I want to insulate it for winter use, any ideas? I am 70 and this is part of my bucket list, mama sez go for it!! If it sleeps two and she can stand up (she is 5'6"). I/we have not been sailing in 45 years but did a lot of dingy racing (penquin, snipe) and have owned several powerboats during the past 40 years. Our dream is to sail SE Alaska May thru Sept spending one night per week ashore then winter in motorhome while visiting (9 kids 21 Grandkids). I am reading past posts for ideas.

Frank
 
Jun 6, 2007
132
Hi Frank,
There is another Vega in Juneau that used to belong to my husband and me (hull
1707). We sold it to a young fellow who moved it to Juneau from Puget Sound
this summer. I believe he is living aboard. Anyway, if you connect with him,
he can show you where we put two batteries--Port side under the galley, with a
hatch for access. Probably best to have a mechanic look over your engine and
give you a good assessment of what needs to be done, then compare rebuilt costs
to replacement costs. As to the smells--eliminate all mold and mildew this can mean replacing
carpeting and cushions, as well as scrubbing moldy-mildew areas. This article
has recipes for mold/mildew cleaning agents:
http://homemanagement.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_to_get_rid_of_mold_and_mildew.
Ventilation is the key to keeping mold and mildew from forming in the first
place and helping to keep boat air fresh--those solar mushroom vents help. Good for you for following your bliss!

Sheila________________________________
From: sitkatm82 sitkatm82@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 1:47:45 PM
Subject: [AlbinVega] Questions


Hello,
I am new to this, just purchased hull # 2417 (Rain Dog)in Juneau Alaska. Will
be moving it to Sitka soon. MD6A seems to be OK but I would like some spares,
impeller, injector, etc. Any suggestions and where to purchase from? Is the
engine worth keeping or should I start planning replacement? If so any
suggestions for replacement inboard or outboard. Only one battery in boat where
have you placed a second battery, I like 2. Also need ideas on removing old
smells (mold/mildew) I want to insulate it for winter use, any ideas? I am 70
and this is part of my bucket list, mama sez go for it!! If it sleeps two and
she can stand up (she is 5'6"). I/we have not been sailing in 45 years but did
a lot of dingy racing (penquin, snipe) and have owned several powerboats during
the past 40 years. Our dream is to sail SE Alaska May thru Sept spending one
night per week ashore then winter in motorhome while visiting (9 kids 21
Grandkids). I am reading past posts for ideas.

Frank
 
May 17, 2010
8
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From: sitkatm82 sitkatm82@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 3:47:45 PM
Subject: [AlbinVega] Questions


Hello,
I am new to this, just purchased hull # 2417 (Rain Dog)in Juneau Alaska. Will be
moving it to Sitka soon. MD6A seems to be OK but I would like some spares,
impeller, injector, etc. Any suggestions and where to purchase from? Is the
engine worth keeping or should I start planning replacement? If so any
suggestions for replacement inboard or outboard. Only one battery in boat where
have you placed a second battery, I like 2. Also need ideas on removing old
smells (mold/mildew) I want to insulate it for winter use, any ideas? I am 70
and this is part of my bucket list, mama sez go for it!! If it sleeps two and
she can stand up (she is 5'6"). I/we have not been sailing in 45 years but did a
lot of dingy racing (penquin, snipe) and have owned several powerboats during
the past 40 years. Our dream is to sail SE Alaska May thru Sept spending one
night per week ashore then winter in motorhome while visiting (9 kids 21
Grandkids). I am reading past posts for ideas.

Frank
 
Sep 24, 2008
346
Doug
Never ever stop a diesel by with the compression lever! It's a good way to
find out how expensive Volvo parts and mechanics are. Stop the engine with
either the kill switch if it has one (which cuts off fuel flow) or by
reducing the throttle to minimum if it is set up that way.
As far as alternator diodes modern thought for a bullet proof system is to
run all charge sources (alternator, shore charger, wind and solar if you
have them) to the house bank and charge the start battery either with an
Echo Charge, Duo Charge, or ACR (automatic charge relay). This means the
1/2/all/off switch only controls use and charging from any source is totally
automatic and foolproof. You can't forget to charge a battery and you can't
do any damage even by turning to the off position while the engine is
running. Some manufacturers are still wiring the charge current through the
main switch although the best have gone to the system I described. All it
does is save the builder money and causes problems for the owners by going
through the main switch.
 
Oct 31, 2019
163
Good morning Frank and welcome to the Vega family,

my input may not be the most useful as I'm a long way from Alaska, but for what its worth:

Engine - When contemplating a replacement six years ago, I was well advised: -
If your MD6A or indeed any diesel engine starts easily, then there's not too much wrong with it SO LEAVE IT BE. I ensure that the oil/filter is changed regularly, that the diesel tank/lines are cleaned and the filter changed annually and that the cooling water flows freely, so about once every two years, I remove the cooling manifold and degrunge the whole thing; as a result, we've probably had another fairly faultless albeit smokey, couple of thousand hours from what we thought was a worn out motor and are hopeful that we'll get many trhousands more.

Engine Spares - both fuel and oil filters are off the shelf jobs and probably available through your local motor factors for less than $8 each; ask for Crossland 659 (oil) and Crossland 658 (diesel) or the local equivalent - I have a list of about a dozen manufacturers for each if they've not heard of the Crosslands in Alaska. The water pump seals are a standard type R23 available for cents at your local bearing supplier and the impellors too must be a fairly 'standard' model as they seem to be available in any chandlery - I found them on 'special offer' in Spain one day $2 each, so bought ten! Injector nozzles are similarly a 'standard' Bosch item that your local fuel injection engineer will match for a 1/4 of Volvo's price, just don't mention the words boat or marine, tell them it's for a diesel generator set! Other than those (either lucky or beacause we leave it be?) we've hardly bought any. The cooling manifold gasket is expensive, but with
thick gasket paper and a sharp scalpel, you can make a new one in two hours. For bigger bits, they're all still available from Volvo (in Europe at least) though at a price and the second piece of good advice from six years ago - which we intend to follow one day, was: Come the time when the starting becomes progressively worse, or something big/expensive breaks, DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY OVERHAULING/REFURBISHING A SMALL DIESEL ENGINE, JUST PULL IT OUT AND RENEW IT. Whether an engine is 10hp or 100hp, the labour cost in doing the job 'properly' is $1500+ dollars, to which you've got to add the cost of re-engineering and new parts; with a 100hp/$50,000 engine, that makes sense, but with a 10hp/$6000 engine, it never will.

Battery - there's ample space for two batteries under the saloon floor; on Spring Fever we've got two 100 amp/hr ones there, with a seperate starter battery in the engine bay. I presume your MD6A has an alternator fitted as well as the dyno-start? I understand (though I've never tested it out) that if you try to charge more than one 50-60 amp/hr battery just using the dynostart, it knackers the dynostart and they are big-bucks to replace, so check that out before wiring a second battery into the system

Mildew/Smells - If you've got the 'black rash' on things, I've never found anything to clean all of it completely - I persevered with our forecabin insulation lining for years and eventually gave up and just painted over it. With regard to the smell, we used one of those spray on 'pet smell neutraliser' sprays on SF when she'd been stood for over a year, but I know friends who just washed everything down with white vinegar & water (smelt vinegary for a week, but fresh enough once it'd disipated) and one (he's got a very damp wooden yacht) who closes the yacht up for twelve hours once every few months with an incense burner - sat in a fireproof box - going; Lesley thinks it's lovely, personally, I prefer the musty/damp smell! Once it's been removed from a Vega and the boat is 'lived in' smells aren't a problem provided you keep things well ventilated.

Insulation. that's something you probably need to take more seriously in Alaska than we do; SF has a foam backed(1/8") vinyl lining pretty much everywhere and that does OK for us. One nice budget approach we came across had a similar lining to ours, but rather than just glueing it directly to the hull, the owner had first glued 1/2" dense foam to the hull - made from cut-up hiker's sleeping mats - and stuck it on top of that. Whatever method you choose, do ensure that those hull areas within the lockers (back of the saloon cabin seats) are insulated at least equally to the open areas, otherwise all the condensation will settle there and your spare clothes get damp.

Hope the foregoing was some use and that you and rain dog have fun together,
BobnLesley, Spring Fever 1776.

Sun, 18/7/10, sitkatm82 sitkatm82@... wrote:From: sitkatm82 sitkatm82@...
Subject: [AlbinVega] Questions
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 18 July, 2010, 21:47
Hello,
I am new to this, just purchased hull # 2417 (Rain Dog)in Juneau Alaska. Will be moving it to Sitka soon. MD6A seems to be OK but I would like some spares, impeller, injector, etc. Any suggestions and where to purchase from? Is the engine worth keeping or should I start planning replacement? If so any suggestions for replacement inboard or outboard. Only one battery in boat where have you placed a second battery, I like 2. Also need ideas on removing old smells (mold/mildew) I want to insulate it for winter use, any ideas? I am 70 and this is part of my bucket list, mama sez go for it!! If it sleeps two and she can stand up (she is 5'6"). I/we have not been sailing in 45 years but did a lot of dingy racing (penquin, snipe) and have owned several powerboats during the past 40 years. Our dream is to sail SE Alaska May thru Sept spending one night per week ashore then winter in motorhome while visiting (9 kids 21 Grandkids). I am reading past posts for
ideas.

Frank
 

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Oct 31, 2019
58
________________________________
From: Brian Stannard brianstannard@...
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 18, 2010 7:03:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Questions

Doug
Never ever stop a diesel by with the compression lever! It's a good way to
find out how expensive Volvo parts and mechanics are. Stop the engine with
either the kill switch if it has one (which cuts off fuel flow) or by
reducing the throttle to minimum if it is set up that way.
As far as alternator diodes modern thought for a bullet proof system is to
run all charge sources (alternator, shore charger, wind and solar if you
have them) to the house bank and charge the start battery either with an
Echo Charge, Duo Charge, or ACR (automatic charge relay). This means the
1/2/all/off switch only controls use and charging from any source is totally
automatic and foolproof. You can't forget to charge a battery and you can't
do any damage even by turning to the off position while the engine is
running. Some manufacturers are still wiring the charge current through the
main switch although the best have gone to the system I described. All it
does is save the builder money and causes problems for the owners by going
through the main switch.