I own an Oday23, 1981, and love everything about her except for one thing. She is tender. My first boat was a Columbia 23 which is almost identical to an O22. Does the O22 have a drop down centerboard like the O23? If not, then please comment on the side slipping of the Oday 22. My Columbia 23 was very stable and rarely heeled, but she side slipped like crazy, which is why I got rid of her. My O23 heels at any wind over 12 knots. I often thought that the ideal boat would be the Columbia 23 Hull with the Oday 23 interior. thanks, Paul
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Rich
relative heel
The sideslip and heel of a 22 is all relative, of course. But after all the talk about the "tenderness" of the O22, and it's supposed sideslipping "problems", I was amazed at how well this boat sailed when I finally got mine in the water. I've kept the main and jib up in stuff I would have ran for home in with my last, centerboard, boat. First of all, sometime in the late 70's or early 80's, O'day added a centerboard. But they then decreased the depth of the keel! Now why would they decrease the depth of a keel on a boat with the already acceptable draft of only 1' 11" I don't know, but I'm glad I have the early version. They should have just added the centerboard, if they felt the urge, without taking away that ballast from so low down, where it is most helpful. Are you racing somebody? If not, let me say this: This summer, I could point well enough to get anywhere I wanted to go in a reasonable amount of time. I could tack under main alone, in a blow. I never felt sideslip a problem of anykind. I compared my track to just about every other cruising boat on Haverstraw bay (quite a selection), and never felt at a loss. As for heel, in whitecaps and nasty chop, my 235 pound friend could stay on the leeward side, and the boat would not be near burying the rail. All summer, nothing rolled, jumped, fell off the galley shelf. My wife and child have played pick-up sticks on the table while I sailed. So what's all the problem? I think some are comparing the O22 to a Colin Archer Redingskote, or some other, non-trailerable powerhouse... I, personally, have found no disadvantage to this wonderful shoal design. I am quite pleased. Rich.
The sideslip and heel of a 22 is all relative, of course. But after all the talk about the "tenderness" of the O22, and it's supposed sideslipping "problems", I was amazed at how well this boat sailed when I finally got mine in the water. I've kept the main and jib up in stuff I would have ran for home in with my last, centerboard, boat. First of all, sometime in the late 70's or early 80's, O'day added a centerboard. But they then decreased the depth of the keel! Now why would they decrease the depth of a keel on a boat with the already acceptable draft of only 1' 11" I don't know, but I'm glad I have the early version. They should have just added the centerboard, if they felt the urge, without taking away that ballast from so low down, where it is most helpful. Are you racing somebody? If not, let me say this: This summer, I could point well enough to get anywhere I wanted to go in a reasonable amount of time. I could tack under main alone, in a blow. I never felt sideslip a problem of anykind. I compared my track to just about every other cruising boat on Haverstraw bay (quite a selection), and never felt at a loss. As for heel, in whitecaps and nasty chop, my 235 pound friend could stay on the leeward side, and the boat would not be near burying the rail. All summer, nothing rolled, jumped, fell off the galley shelf. My wife and child have played pick-up sticks on the table while I sailed. So what's all the problem? I think some are comparing the O22 to a Colin Archer Redingskote, or some other, non-trailerable powerhouse... I, personally, have found no disadvantage to this wonderful shoal design. I am quite pleased. Rich.
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Ron Deck
side slip
paul, My last boat was a 1972 O'day 22 and I only noticed excessive slip when I tried to sail too close to the wind. If you keep this boat moving its like any other sail boat. I sailed her more than 12 years and thought her performance compared to other small cruisers was excellent. Good luck! Ron
paul, My last boat was a 1972 O'day 22 and I only noticed excessive slip when I tried to sail too close to the wind. If you keep this boat moving its like any other sail boat. I sailed her more than 12 years and thought her performance compared to other small cruisers was excellent. Good luck! Ron
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Paul Rondina
Side Slipping and Heeling
Thank you for the quick replies. From your notes it sounds as if the O22 does not have the same problem my former Columbia 23 had, i.e. excessive side slipping if sailed at any angle less than 55 degrees to the wind. Also you mention that the O22 is very stable, which is the one thing I did love about the Columbia 23. I would not hesistate to sail in winds over 18 mph. With my Oday 23 I reef and furl the jib to about 110% at winds about 14 mph. At 18 mph I am heading in to harbor, which is sad because I like heavy wind sailing. All things considered I love my Oday 23 for its looks, roomy cabin for overnighting, and speed. I have done 7knots! Happy sailing, Paul
Thank you for the quick replies. From your notes it sounds as if the O22 does not have the same problem my former Columbia 23 had, i.e. excessive side slipping if sailed at any angle less than 55 degrees to the wind. Also you mention that the O22 is very stable, which is the one thing I did love about the Columbia 23. I would not hesistate to sail in winds over 18 mph. With my Oday 23 I reef and furl the jib to about 110% at winds about 14 mph. At 18 mph I am heading in to harbor, which is sad because I like heavy wind sailing. All things considered I love my Oday 23 for its looks, roomy cabin for overnighting, and speed. I have done 7knots! Happy sailing, Paul
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Bob Z.
heel
I sail a 1977 O'day 22 in the Hudson River Ny/Nj. Best looking sailboat in the marina. As far as sailing, she's great. I had the rail in the water and she uprights with the touch of the rode. She's also one of the best build small sailbaots you will ever find. I will be going to a larger boat next year. Hopefully a O'day 25. This boat is like owning a toyota, once you have one you will always want one. Good sailing
I sail a 1977 O'day 22 in the Hudson River Ny/Nj. Best looking sailboat in the marina. As far as sailing, she's great. I had the rail in the water and she uprights with the touch of the rode. She's also one of the best build small sailbaots you will ever find. I will be going to a larger boat next year. Hopefully a O'day 25. This boat is like owning a toyota, once you have one you will always want one. Good sailing
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John King
leeway or the highway
My 78 O'day 22 with shoal draft , no centerboard does make a lot of leeway closehauled.I just make allowances, thats all. The shallow draft more than makes up for an extra tack or two, and in 20 knot winds under double reefed main and storm jib will still do five knots. I wonde what they did to the 23?
My 78 O'day 22 with shoal draft , no centerboard does make a lot of leeway closehauled.I just make allowances, thats all. The shallow draft more than makes up for an extra tack or two, and in 20 knot winds under double reefed main and storm jib will still do five knots. I wonde what they did to the 23?
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J. Folds
oday 22
I have a '79 22 with a swing keel and it has been a great boat. She sails to windward fine as long as the board is down, otherwise she slips quite a bit. Which isn't a big deal accept that sometimes the board gets stuck in the up position. I usually sail her by myself so the lack of weight from an extra person allows her to heal quite a bit in a blow but my main doesn't have reef points. She does sail really well under main alone which I find convient. I have burried the rail twice both in really nasty weather out in the Gulf of Mexico but a quick point to lee brought her back up. I'd say get one, I like the interior layout alot for a 22 foot boat and it is easy enough for me to trailer in my little pick up but tough enough to have taken me around the entire perimeter of the gulf coast of Florida. Good luck!
I have a '79 22 with a swing keel and it has been a great boat. She sails to windward fine as long as the board is down, otherwise she slips quite a bit. Which isn't a big deal accept that sometimes the board gets stuck in the up position. I usually sail her by myself so the lack of weight from an extra person allows her to heal quite a bit in a blow but my main doesn't have reef points. She does sail really well under main alone which I find convient. I have burried the rail twice both in really nasty weather out in the Gulf of Mexico but a quick point to lee brought her back up. I'd say get one, I like the interior layout alot for a 22 foot boat and it is easy enough for me to trailer in my little pick up but tough enough to have taken me around the entire perimeter of the gulf coast of Florida. Good luck!
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