quality of distilled water used for batteries

walt

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Jun 1, 2007
3,535
Macgregor 26S Hobie TI Ridgway Colorado
A recent thread on batteries here got me wondering about the quality of distilled water uses to top off lead acid batteries. Contaminates in the water likely reduce the life of the batteries.

I always have bought distilled water from a grocery store and it seems odd that a gallon is about the same price as the stuff that is only slightly filtered tap water..
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,048
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
A recent thread on batteries here got me wondering about the quality of distilled water uses to top off lead acid batteries. Contaminates in the water likely reduce the life of the batteries.

I always have bought distilled water from a grocery store and it seems odd that a gallon is about the same price as the stuff that is only slightly filtered tap water..
Or, that the slightly filtered tap water's about the same price as the distilled. ;)

I'd say that unless you distill your own, you're at their mercy.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I use Poland Spring Distilled water exclusively. I do not use any other brand. Poland Spring has a 13 step process for their distilled water and was able to send me a report on the Distilled Water quality. It basically contains nothing but pure water. I can easily get it locally and always have a couple of gallons on-hand..
 
Dec 8, 2007
303
-mac 26M -26M tucson-san carlos mx
your not paying for the water inside, your paying for the container and transportation.
 

Scott

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Sep 24, 1997
242
Hunter 31_83-87 Middle River, Md
battery water

Never considered it, but have sometimes wondered what would be wrong with topping off using H2SO4? That statement reminds me of a geochemist who threw out the comment "why not use de-ionized water to top off" - absolutlely no contaminants. It took about 3 seconds of laughter before he realized exactly what he said. :D
 
May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
The quality of distilled water is only as good as the reputation of the entity providing it. I have used tap water in multiple occasions in the past and it does create a cloudy emulsion when mixed with the battery acid. Although I have not been able to gauge the direct effect on the battery life I would surmise it is not good, perhaps not critical in the short run but not good. Now I have a dehumidifier which creates tons of condensed water some of it which I bottle to use in my batteries. I have noticed that this condensate does not cloud the acid in the water and it is likely better than straight tap water. I doubt there is such a thing as 100% percent pure distilled water as exposure to bottles and the air are sure to add some contaminants but I wonder at what point it may become harmful. I believe I'm having good experience with condensed water collected in clean receptacles. I have not noticed any significant changes in battery life.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,670
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
I tested some samples for an article:

Source TDS____


Laboratory distilled water 0.5-1.5 ppm
Distilled water (4 sources) 1-6 ppm
Rain Water (reported 3-125 ppm) 6-12 ppm
RO water (from home tap, not seawater) 10 ppm


Dehumidifier water (2 home and 2 boats) 20-30 ppm
Air Conditioning Condensate (boat and house) 60-80 ppm
Dear Park Bottled Water 110 ppm
Tap water at my home 140 ppm
Tap water at the marina (Deale) 250 ppm
RO water from on-boat desalinization) 250-500 ppm
Seawater (varies) 34,000 ppm



Then you can ask Trojan (or others).


http://www.trojanbattery.com/pdf/WP_EffectOfImpurities_0612.pdf


Given the variation of condensate streams, I would stick to either a shore-side RO you know and monitor (not a water maker) or distilled water. Rain if all else fails, but from a clean pot not the roof (salt)!
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,048
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Good to know, Thinwater.. I figured with dust contamination and the water being in contact with metals etc in the condensate pan that condensate water would be much worse than what your test info shows..
Thanks for the article on stitched line eyes in latest Practical Sailor.. Well done!
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Really MS, a 13 step process to boil water and condense it???? Seems a bit extreeme to need 13 steps for such a simple process. Perhaps they are military types and do a lot of "prepare to distill" type activities
1. prepare to fill the distill tank
2. fill the distill tank
3. prepare to heat the distill tank
4. heat the distill tank
5 prepare to turn on the condensation cooling water
6. turn on the condensation cooling water
7. prepare to bring the distill tank to boiling temp
8. bring the distill tank to boiling timp
9. prepare to open the connecting valve
10 open the connecting valve
11. prepare to condense water vapor to liquid distilled water (your eyes must be closed for this to be effective)
12. condense water vapor to liquid distilled water
13. ship the product.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,336
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
A class action suit against Poland Spring filed in 2002 alleged the company falsely advertised their water source and purity resulted in a $10 million payment. The Poland Springs dried up in 1967.

According to Nestle,their parent company, their bottled water contains 37 - 50 ppm total dissolved solids.
 
May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
Thanks Thinwater, it is good to confirm that condensed dehumidifier water is some 7 times better than tap water. I'm still left to wonder what would be the threshold that would cause a significant shortening of a battery useful life. I would think the chemical composition of the particles would actually be more significant than the total PPM.
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
the whole idea behind the recommendation that you should only use distilled water in your batteries is that there is no other common standard that can insure that the water is "reasonably" clean.... and reasonably clean water is all that is needed.

reasonably clean water helps insure the maximum longevity of the battery by limiting the degradation from minerals that are detrimental to the workings of the battery.

all across the country, and even different locations in the same vicinity, the water quality can vary so much that it wouldnt be prudent in recommending that you just add water from your local source, whatever or wherever that may be.

if you have a choice between running your batteries with the plates showing and bare, or adding river water (NOT salt or brackish), i would highly recommend covering the plates with river water.... bare plates are more dangerous to your health and the healt of the battery than is the river water.
(disclaimer; I am assuming the "river water" is clean enough to routinely swim or bath in)

but that scenario would mean you have neglected the service intervals on the batteries... if you maintain regular service intervals, you probably have acceptable water available.

for the first 20 years of my life, all i knew was to add water to the equipment and vehicle batteries when it got down near the top of the plates.... we had natural spring water.... we never had any unreasonable battery problems.
but our neighbors up the road a few miles had a well.... it had either sulfur or iron in it and it smelled up their house when the wife did dishes or anyone took a shower.... this type of water would never do in a battery.

some municipalities (towns,cities) have different minerals in their water... its regulated (questionable) for human consumption rather than for battery use.

ALSO, a big thing here.... how is the charging system? how often do you have to add water?... some batteries may need water once a month, and some batteries may need water once in their long extended life..... how many times and how much water you add each time will determine the percentage of harmful minerals are accumulating in any given battery....

all these variables cannot be accounted for when a battery company or battery "scientist" recommends that you add water, but they do know that reasonably clean water will be better than some of the water that we currently consume in our own bodies.

by recommending distilled water to maximize the life of the battery is a good "blanket coverage" statement for anyone who doesnt know the quality of the water they have available.

there is no water that we would want to drink that will "kill" a battery immediately by adding some when needed.... now it may take time from the full life of the battery, but so will over charging, discharging too deeply, letting the water get so low the plates get bare, and inactivity of the battery over a long period....

with all that said, those of us who are in the business of taking care of other peoples batteries for them, we must use distilled water for liability reasons in the event of a premature battery failure (and they commonly do).... but in my own batteries i dont discriminate.... regular bottled water has always served me and my batteries well.
 
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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Really MS, a 13 step process to boil water and condense it???? Seems a bit extreeme to need 13 steps for such a simple process. Perhaps they are military types and do a lot of "prepare to distill" type activities
1. prepare to fill the distill tank
2. fill the distill tank
3. prepare to heat the distill tank
4. heat the distill tank
5 prepare to turn on the condensation cooling water
6. turn on the condensation cooling water
7. prepare to bring the distill tank to boiling temp
8. bring the distill tank to boiling timp
9. prepare to open the connecting valve
10 open the connecting valve
11. prepare to condense water vapor to liquid distilled water (your eyes must be closed for this to be effective)
12. condense water vapor to liquid distilled water
13. ship the product.
This is what Poland Springs sent me:

#1 Receive water at plant and test quality
#2 Activated Carbon Filtration
#3 Pre-Treatment - This is a water softening process
#4 Distillation
#5 In plant storage tested/monitored daily
#6 Microfiltration (pharmaceutical grade)
#7 UV Light Disinfection
#9 Ozone Disinfection
#10 Bottling Control Process to maintain sanitation and purity of water
#11 Clean In Place sanitation process for line equipment
#12 Plant Quality Control Inspections
#13 External Quality Assurance - Done by independent labs to ensure quality
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,670
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Regarding comparing battery use and drinking:

I admit, when I first heard the "distilled water can be bad for you" line, I thought that must be pure tripe. But WHO and EPA have studied the issue and it turns out that all that old stuff about "healthful mineral waters" was glaringly true. Because of the rise of large scale desalinization, they have studied large populations on low Ca/Mg water, and it turns out that hearth disease and stroke are substantially more common, to the point where minimum values of Ca/Mg are becoming common. These limits are above the battery maker limits.

So there are certainly mineral waters that are very good to drink and could damage the battery in a single heavy top-off. This issue is actually what prompted my testing (specifically, how it related to water makers). And this is why I suggested carefully collected rain water as a reasonable emergency expedient; my testing was based on clean kitchen pots place on deck.

This article was never finished, but there are some links to scholarly work.
http://sail-delmarva.blogspot.com/2014/05/ro-water-what-are-we-missing.html
 

MrUnix

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Mar 24, 2010
626
Hunter 23 Gainesville, FL
I've had a distiller since the late 90's when we bought a house that had a well with very high iron content. Neat little all stainless steel unit that hooks into the house water supply and automatically makes up to 8 gallons a day (and uses about the same amount of electricity as running a 100 watt light bulb). Don't use it so much for drinking any more (we have a RO system for drinking water), but I have always used it to top off batteries, mixing with anti-freeze for the car, etc.. Given the price of electricity these days, it might be cheaper in the long run to buy the bottled stuff at the store, but at least I know where my stuff comes from and that it is in fact really distilled and not just filtered.

Cheers,
Brad
 

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May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
It would be nice to know what grade of distilled water is currently being used by battery manufacturers. I doubt it is the Pharmaceutical grade used in the manufacture of medicines.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Don't forget the "additives" they put in the water for your health. Stuff like Flouride doesn't sound like it would be good for a battery.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,670
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Google is a powerful tool:

Manufacturer fill water quality. I found several, this is typical. Total solids <10 ppm, total organics, <20 ppm. Basically a good grade of RO water, but no reagent grade.
[FONT=&quot]http://www.zvei.org/Verband/Fachverbaende/Batterien/Documents/Merkblaetter/03%20e%20Elektrolyte%20and%20Refilling%20Water%202011-12.pdf[/FONT]


Additives? Chloride and fluoride are typically about 2 ppm each. Not an important factor, but tap water will fail for calcium anyway. I suppose the quotations were to implied these are bad. I think they are better than cholera and rotten teeth, a very broadly held view. Very few public water supplies have found it safe to operate without these.