Put that pencil sharpener back onboard your boat!

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Nov 22, 2008
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Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
http://blog.geogarage.com/2010/04/waas-geo-satellite-going-down.html

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced (on April 30) that
one of the two WAAS GEO satellites will drift out of usable orbit
within two to four weeks.
Earlier on April 8th, Intelsat announced it had lost control of its
Galaxy 15 satellite that hosts the WAAS SBAS transponder used by the
FAA.

The FAA says it is monitoring the satellite, but that failure is
imminent (by mid-May 2010).

When G-15 is out of usuable orbit, WAAS will be disrupted for users in
northwest Alaska.

The rest of the WAAS service area — U.S., Canada, Mexico — will
operate normally but will be reduced to a single point of failure with
only one WAAS broadcasting Anik F1R satellite remaining (PRN #138/
NMEA#51).

The impending failure of this satellite—which only affects WAAS signals
—comes at a time when there are questions about the regular GPS
constellation. The U.S. Government Accountability Office has said that
many of the older satellites currently in use could reach the end of
their operational life faster than they can be replenished, resulting
in a drop below the number of satellites needed to meet some GPS
users’ needs, as early as this year.
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
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S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
This stinks. I wonder what they are going to do about it and when. Not to mention that the FAA has been considering using GPS on planes too.
 
Dec 2, 2003
1,637
Hunter 376 Warsash, England --
I've never felt the need for vertical accuracy of better than 25 feet. On board my boat this is pretty much determined by the Almighty.
Horizontal accuracy will still be plenty good enough without WAAS.
 

druid

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Apr 22, 2009
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Ontario 32 Pender Harbour
Satellites falling from the sky, oil rigs falling into the sea, the Habs beating Pits... where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?

druid - at least Toronto's not in the playoffs
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
The biggest miracle was the Habs beating the Caps. I was not a happy Camper about that.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Horizontal accuracy will still be plenty good enough without WAAS.
It depends where and how you sail. WAAS accuracy is a great convenience in a complex and rocky place like Maine where the charts are generally quite accurate and the bottom doesn't change much. You can get in trouble trusting it too much but you are generally better off knowing where you are within 10 - 40 feet than 100 - 300.

I particularly will be troubled when WAAS goes down (sounds like "when"; not "if"). As a Harbormaster, WAAS GPS is accurate enough for locating mooring and maintaining the mooring field maps. Without WAAS, I'll be back to doing it from shore with a transit.

All those car navigation systems are going to have trouble locking on to the proper roads without WAAS.

Meanwhile, the magnetic field is weakening rapidly and may even reverse. The golden age of navigation may be going the way of the Gulf of Mexico.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,953
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
The biggest miracle was the Habs beating the Caps. I was not a happy Camper about that.
No...... Halek beat the Caps, there wasn't a team in front of him....... but we're going WAY off-topic here ;)
 
Dec 4, 2008
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Other people's boats - Milford, CT
Maybe a lot of newbies who rely upon their accurate GPSs will really learn to navigate now. or maybe not ;-)

Anyway, I am confident that commercial and political pressure will get the GPS/Waas/Loran fixed. It will only take money and time.

And airplanes have been using GPS for instrument ( blind ) navigation for years now.
 

druid

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Apr 22, 2009
837
Ontario 32 Pender Harbour
Anyway, I am confident that commercial and political pressure will get the GPS/Waas/Loran fixed. It will only take money and time.
Ummmm.... how?

Didn't I hear the LAST voyage of the shuttle was a while ago? How will they repair a satellite or put up new ones? I guess they could just wait till one comes crashing down and send another one up to replace it...

druid
 
Dec 4, 2006
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Hunter 34 Havre de Grace
Ummmm.... how?

Didn't I hear the LAST voyage of the shuttle was a while ago? How will they repair a satellite or put up new ones? I guess they could just wait till one comes crashing down and send another one up to replace it...

druid

The same way they were launched .... Delta II
 
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