Punta Gorda dreaming!

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Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
:wow: That is what I would just love to do! LOL... yeah for us less than 13' is getting nerve wracking! Especially since we are used to the 50-100' range. If you watched my video I always pan on the instruments and very rarely is it less than 80'. When we were sailing in Charlotte Harbor I kept an eye on the depth gauge and I think the best I saw was 16'.
With a little planning, you can sail all day and not see two digits on your depth finder. 16 feet was the edge of the deepest spot in the harbor. Bottom is sand/mud and very flat. Also no matter what your draft, you WILL run aground. Trick is to do it slowly, so it is easier to get off.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Draft/Depth

I was just out sailing this week and had guest from Canada and kept saying we are only in 10' of water and told them one section the deepest is 22'.
I have a C-80 Raymarine and it is a fantastic chartplotter and always show's where the skinny water is and is very accurate at showing the line between skinny water and safe depth for my 5' depth,I do have a chip Navionics which shows all info US and super for when we go down to the keys and all great info for cruising in Florida.
You are at the right place for help with bringing a boat to PG,plenty of sailor's here with experience living here many years like Bill.
I came to PG 2007 from very deep water on LI.NY and have and still keep learning from many PG sailors for sure and if you come visit give us a call.
Nick
 
Jul 19, 2007
263
-Hunter 1995-40.5 Hunter Saint Andrews, New Brunswick, Canada
Seadaddler, I hope I can make the switch to skinny water from the really deep as easily as you have, being from L.I. you surely know what deep water really is. The friend from PGI that I was sailing with has a summer place near to where we keep our boat so he too knows deep water. If you ever see a 35.5 Hunter named Falcon while you're out on the harbor or beyond, hail him and tell Jim that the Mountie says hello.
 
Mar 20, 2004
1,746
Hunter 356 and 216 Portland, ME
Seadaddler, I'm jealous! we're having another snowstorm!-another 6-12 inches this weekend
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
I was just out sailing this week and had guest from Canada and kept saying we are only in 10' of water and told them one section the deepest is 22'.
I have a C-80 Raymarine and it is a fantastic chartplotter and always show's where the skinny water is and is very accurate at showing the line between skinny water and safe depth for my 5' depth,I do have a chip Navionics which shows all info US and super for when we go down to the keys and all great info for cruising in Florida.
You are at the right place for help with bringing a boat to PG,plenty of sailor's here with experience living here many years like Bill.
I came to PG 2007 from very deep water on LI.NY and have and still keep learning from many PG sailors for sure and if you come visit give us a call.
Nick
Seadaddler, what mapping software do you have in your Chartplotter? I have an E120 with a Navionics CF card in it and it works great up here. Would you recommend that for there?

Yeah Chuck I feel your pain. We just had a couple of more inches and it was -14 degrees but warming up this week to 30 degrees! The boat is snowed in so I have to have snowshoes to get to it. :cry:
 
Jun 3, 2004
241
Hunter 41 DS Punta Gorda, Fl
Nick,


I moved my boat from Chicago to Punta Gorda, Florida last May. Many of the folks that have already replied gave me a lot of solid advice. Here is what I have learned so far. First my boat is a 376 with a 5' draft. I come and go out of the Ponce inlet. I have not touched the bottom yet in any conditions. I did bump a little when I left the Charlotte Boat Yard last May but since then I have not. I know I will run a ground sooner or later but I have been luck so far. Staying on the depth thing I put my boat in Fisherman's Village Marina for about 5 months. Nice people, pretty nice place, but many times I was setting on the bottom so if you go there make sure your in a slip as far out as possible. Like you I had hear many things about getting the bottom ready. Here is what I did.

1. Sanded down to glass, filled any small blister and anything else.
2. 6 coats of WM 2000 barrier coat. The box said only 5 but I had some left over so 6.
3. I used Red and Blue WM ablative paint. Two coats of red and 3 coats of Blue. My plan was three coats but the paint went further than I thought so ended up with 5,
4. New Zinc. This has been the big problem for my boat the zinc goes very fast. More on that later.
5. Prop and shaft. I was so confused on what to do I waited until the boat was delivered. The guys in Charlotte Harbor Boat Yard helped me decide. I put several coats of a red metal primer then a hard paint they gave me for both shaft and prop. Basically you cannot stop the growth there just slow it down.

So how has my bottom done. First you need a diver this can be monthly, 6 weeks, 8 weeks it seems to depend on your prep and in my case the zinc. The diver I use charges around 65$ per visit. Sometimes less some times more depending on what her finds. He brings the zinc with him. My bottom is doing great the diver says he mostly finds slim and very little "hard growth". Basically he tells me he would not dive on my boat more than 8 week intervals except for the zinc. The zinc is going very fast I would say while in Fisherman's village I had to change the zinc monthly. Based on what I have learned there are several reasons. First high water in the marina this summer ups the zinc usage. Other boat in the harbor also help eat the zinc depending on how they are wired, and my boat seems to like zinc more that others. This is because my zinc mitigator (small thing in my wiring compartment that helps me fight other boats stray current) was dead. So I had to replace it. I also must have something not grounded right (I am still working on this one). If your like me my zinc in Lake Michigan was maybe 2 years old I never thought about it. The good new is since we purchased the home and the boat is on my own dock the zinc is lasting longer. Last dive was a 7 weeks gap again the bottom was great, light growth on prop and shaft, and 50% zinc gone. This is a big improvement but I still need to find the issue. A short term solution is two zinc;s.

A/C is important as you know but what I learned is the water down here gets very warm also. When that happens your A/C runs 24/7 just to try and cool things down. You may have two systems so that will help. The 376 is just on the edge of needing two system. In Lake Michigan the water was always cool so my A/C did great. Down here it ran and ran and ran. So know where your condensation is going. Many boats from the midwest just dump the condensation into the bilge. So here is the story. My condensation goes into the bilge and when it gets high enough the bilge pump dumps it out. The issue is that leaves moisture in the bilge and in the boat. The bigger issues is your depending on the bilge pump to work or your will fill you boat with fresh water condensation. This happened to me. The A/C in the summer will put out 1 gallon of fresh condensation water an hour (24 gallons a day). If your bilge pump fails the A/C keeps putting out the water. My bilge pump failed because the wire connect was done for the Midwest. After a couple of months here the connects just rusted and the pump stopped. The water made it to the top of the bilge before I found the problem. Close call. I was not around my boat everyday so that also caused the problem. Just check some of your critical connection and use something better than electrician tap to protect these connections.
I also will cover my boat this summer to help keep the direct sun off the boat. Shading the boat really helps keep the A/C also.

I fresh water wash down my boat once a week of so and have applied protection stuff on my dodger plastic once every 3 months. Having hatch covers etc also helps. For me the boat is much cleaner down here than in Chicago. I think the big city put out a lot of dirt so I find cleaning the boat is much easier. Ground tackle. Listen to the group I got lots of advice. At first I was thinking about all chain for two anchors. A lot of cost and very heavy. Around here all chain seems to be over kill since you don't (I am told) really put out that much scope because of water depth. I guess if your going places outside this area you may need more.

Top of the mast has been an issue here. I had never gone up my mast in the 7 years I owned the boat. But here I have had to go up 4 times now because the birds of pray like the new stick as a fishing platform. They do not like all the wind instrument stuff so they take it off. I replace the vang on my wind instrument the bird broke it off. I am now replacing the visual vang because the birds decided they did not like that either. I wish they had made these decision all at once but two different birds I guess. They also make a real mess on the boat. When they are on your mast they go to the bath room all over the boat. 61 foot fall of pup big splash you get the idea. The good news is once your mast is not new anymore they seem to have moved on. Just part of the welcome to Punta Gorda thing.

Dehumidifier has made all the difference. I first believed my A/C would clear the humidity out of the boat. But that just did not work. The small replacement dehumidifiers just did nothing. So I took advice and purchased a small dehumidifier from Home Depot. I put it on the boat to cycle every 4 hours for 4 hours. I set it up to drain into the sink so I did not need to pump anything over board. Man what a difference. When I go sailing I just put it into a secure place in the head shower area and off I go. When I am back at the dock I put it on the counter top with hose to the sink and turn it on. I would get one that has all the auto shut off stuff. This has been a big learning.

I could go on but will not. This is a great place having the choose to sail the bay or go out into the gulf is great, The folks down here will really help you out. Several checked on my boat while it was in the marina just because I was worried about her which was fantastic. If anything I have suggested is off base they will correct it. I am not an expert.

By the way there are several sailing group, The Mariners, The Seafarers ............ They all cruise and do all kinda of stuff. Being to busy down here is a really possibility you have to pace yourself.
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Nick,


I moved my boat from Chicago to Punta Gorda, Florida last May. Many of the folks that have already replied gave me a lot of solid advice. Here is what I have learned so far. First my boat is a 376 with a 5' draft. I come and go out of the Ponce inlet. I have not touched the bottom yet in any conditions. I did bump a little when I left the Charlotte Boat Yard last May but since then I have not. I know I will run a ground sooner or later but I have been luck so far. Staying on the depth thing I put my boat in Fisherman's Village Marina for about 5 months. Nice people, pretty nice place, but many times I was setting on the bottom so if you go there make sure your in a slip as far out as possible. Like you I had hear many things about getting the bottom ready. Here is what I did.


By the way there are several sailing group, The Mariners, The Seafarers ............ They all cruise and do all kinda of stuff. Being to busy down here is a really possibility you have to pace yourself.

Jwieneck.... thank you so much for your input. It is good to hear from someone that has just lived through the experience. Right now I am getting bombarded with lots of information and I appreciate it all.

Did you do the painting on your boat yourself? What bottom paint did you have on while in Chicago. We use VC-17 up here and it works great but I guess from what I hear it is a pain to get off and prep for an ablative. I am considering using the Seahawk Cukote self polishing paint.

Yes we do have two AC's and I plan on repiping the condensate. There was a thread here that described how one guy used a syphon to get it overboard and it sounded like a good system.

We have been up to the area and have seen the effect of the birds and what they do to the deck. Went up to Burnt store Marina and saw it first hand.

I really was not aware that there was such an issue with zincs. We never even think of them up here they just last forever.

What mapping software do you use? I have a Raymaring e120 with a CF card and am looking at a Navionics card for it. What are you using.

We are actually heading down there in a couple of weeks to do more looking around so the more I know the better I can do when I am "looking".

You hit it right on that we are looking forward to being in a "sailing community" and having the opportunity to sail throughout the year. I do worry about the effects it will have on the boat but that is what they are made for, right?

Thanks again
Nodak7
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Punta Gorda Sailing Club pgscweb.com is a great source of local info and great group of sailors.

On zincs. Many older homes in PG had Davits on the sea wall with 110 volt winches. These 110 wires may be buried in the dirt and LIVE. I was eating zincs also, found two sets of these, got them turned off and haven't used a zinc since.
 
Jun 25, 2012
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hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
Bill1565 said:
Punta Gorda Sailing Club pgscweb.com is a great source of local info and great group of sailors.

On zincs. Many older homes in PG had Davits on the sea wall with 110 volt winches. These 110 wires may be buried in the dirt and LIVE. I was eating zincs also, found two sets of these, got them turned off and haven't used a zinc since.
In our marina it was old telephone lines ....
 
Jun 3, 2004
241
Hunter 41 DS Punta Gorda, Fl
I used the VC 17 also. I did the sanding myself. It is very hard to do. I am not sure I do it again it was a good work out. The sanding took 4 weekends. The VC 17 is hard to get off.

I have a Garmin that has all the charts built in. I have been thinking about upgrading to one of the new touch screens.

Sailed this last Sunday nice 8 to 12 knots nice afternoon.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Raymarine

Hi sorry just got back from being out all weekend and also picked my mom up to visit with us 2 weeks from NY but I have the C-80 and I pretty sure the E-120 is even better and would love a E-80 instead but you just need the chip for US for all the info you will need here in our area.
I have used SR-40 for 4 years with great success and I never needed a diver and still don't use one and did have a dive to tell me not to scrub with my bottom paint and just use the boat to let it clean itself and just clean the prop which I do.
Nick
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
One other thing

Just curious.... I am considering a move from ND to FL. Needless to say that is going from a freshwater to a saltwater environment. It has never been in anything other than fresh water. Other than the obvious changing of the bottom paint is there anything else I need to do to her to prepare the boat for salt water?
I don't know whether any of the other folks has mentioned this but you should be aware that the sun is very, I like to say intimidating, in these latitudes. I sail in NE but winter in Naples, just south of PG. I do nothing at all on the water down here except for an occasional ride on a rented or friends' power boat. And of course I play some golf, so I am out in the sun a fair amount anyway. I can't imagine what it is like in the middle of summer when the sun is very high in the sky. One needs to stay covered up as much as possible. I notice from your avatar that your boat has a full bimini of a dark color. That's good but you may find also that you need sun filtering side curtains and certainly covers for your eisenglass in the dodger while anchored out.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Sun

Very true about the very strong Sun here in Florida for sure and will need to make adjustments to the very HOT Humid weather in the summer months and I don;t sail in summer much just too Hot and very light wind,I go up North July and August and some times even Sept to visit in NY.
I made my dodger panels zip out front and sides and have lots of cover from my dodger top connector bimini and some people have all kinds of sun protection for the hot weather and many people like me after living and sailing here a few years do make changes and I would wait and we can talk when you visit with me and some other sailors in PG.
The big thing is picking your home on a canal and much you will want to spend,some locations are controlled by tides here and depending where you go out into the harbor will some times during winter month very low tides will not let you go out but some others the old section not much trouble going in and out,don't let what I said :eek: you lots of good canals and lots of boats with 5' plus here in PG.
When you visit we will help you and have others also help advise where not to buy.
You have picked a great location in Fl for many reasons,less crowded andless $$$$$.
Nick
nick
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
I don't know whether any of the other folks has mentioned this but you should be aware that the sun is very, I like to say intimidating, in these latitudes. I sail in NE but winter in Naples, just south of PG. I do nothing at all on the water down here except for an occasional ride on a rented or friends' power boat. And of course I play some golf, so I am out in the sun a fair amount anyway. I can't imagine what it is like in the middle of summer when the sun is very high in the sky. One needs to stay covered up as much as possible. I notice from your avatar that your boat has a full bimini of a dark color. That's good but you may find also that you need sun filtering side curtains and certainly covers for your eisenglass in the dodger while anchored out.
Thanks Rick. I have heard that about the summer and the effects of the sun. I am not sure if we would be stepping from the frying pan to the fire (pun intended). Fortunately we have all of what you mention. The Admiral has never lived in a warm climate so this may be interesting. I lived in a number of them so I kinda recall what it is like to have to run from the sun. The interesting part in that ND gets very warm in the summer at times (over 100) but not usually for an extended period. Thanks again
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Pettit Hydrocoat?

Has anyone out there in the PG had any experience with the Pettit Hydrocoat SR Product? I have been told by the manufacturer that it can be applied directly over the VC-17 (with scuffing).

Another question. I have always kept our boat in a slip. How is the best wayt to tie her off at a dock and protect it from banging against the dock due to wakes and wind? Lots of fenders? Or??
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Nodak, most docks in the area have one foot diameter pilings on about eight foot centers. Some of us have run padded 2 x8's across the pilings, some of .us use fender boards on the piling, some of us have outer piling (s) to pull the boat out. Personal preference.
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
SR-40

While your checking bottom paints try asking about SR-40 or SR-60 and see if you can coat your VC-17 with it,when I first came down in 08 I used SR-40 2 coats and got almost 3 1/2 years before needing new bottom paint and no diver scrubbing at all and I would dive myself at the dock and just clean my prop.
It's not cheap but saved the $$$$ of no diver scrubbing and only would get a miner slime before sailing around.
I also heard good things about sea hawk but needing a diver every 6 weeks.
Nick
 
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