Prop or head sail?

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NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,184
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
Hello all... I am looking to spend a few bucks in the off season (50th birthday you know) and was considering purchasing either a new head sail or a feathering prop. My headsail is a 150 Hood that is 10+/- years old... Is ok but even I can see its shape is not great. Prop is a 3 blade fixed that does its job but of course gives some drag.

We are cruisers that love to have the boat move when out sailing. What would be the better place to put my money to get better performance out of the boat; a new head sail or prop.

Thanks
 
Sep 26, 2008
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While this might open a can of worms I believe the 3 blade fixed prop is good match for a cruiser. It is thousands less to purchase (and you all ready have one) compared to a folding or feathering prop. If you must have the performance spend the money it but it will be a minimal gain in performance , fixed props do not require maintenance etc etc. Check the archives for more discussion on fixed vs. feathering or folding. Better value would be to replace the sail (IMHO). My guess is you will get similar performance (new sail vs. prop) if not better with the new sail as you implied your old one is about shot, plus I think your will get a better resale on the sail vs. prop. I feel the fixed vs folding issue is more critical if racing but for a cruiser it is not much of an issue. The gain from a folding/feathering prop is like an 10 knot wind vs a 11 knot wind there is not that much extra drag from a fixed prop. Only you can make the final decision based on your sailing style and pocketbook !
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Low-drag prop, hands down!

The advantage of the low-drag prop is it can be used 100% of the time when sailing. ALL the time! My Max-Prop (feathering) gives approximately a 1/2 knot boost in shear speed PLUS a better tracking angle when beating to weather.

I don't know how many degrees tracking angle a feathering prop adds but it is significant. Several years ago I was in a local race and was having a really difficult time getting the boat to track like others in the fleet that I knew I could stay with. Part way into the second lap I found out why: I forgot to throw the transmission into reverse and the prop hadn't feathered!

It's not the pointing angle that's critical, it's what the boat actually tracks that is the critical part.

Okay, boat speed: If the boat can pick up 0.4 to 0.5 knots in shear speed through the water, on a light wind day the boat "creates it's own wind." Think about it. You're out there not in a real hurry to go somewhere but the apparent wind is only, say 5 or 6 knots. The feathering prop allows you to get additional apparent wind speed and the boat speed picks up accordingly. Every little bit helps.

Windmilling prop shaft: This problem totally goes away. Feathering prop, throw transmission into reverse, windmilling stops. No wear and tear on the transmission.

Save engine wear and tear: Pick up better boat speed under sail, you sail more and motor less. Hence, fuel savings, engine wear savings, less breathing of diesel particulates from the station wagon effect, fewer health problems from breathing all that junk, what is there not to like?

Sail changes: The 150 probably gave you about 0.4 to 0.5 knots boat speed - isn't this pretty much a wash with the feathering/low drag prop? Just keep your working jib and take life easy.

Save your money for later and get an asymmetrical!!!

50th? Heck, get the prop and then get the asymmetrical with the money you're saving in fuel and engine wear and tear.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
I'm with John. Feathering prop at +0.5 knots is 25% increase when sailing in light air at 2 knots. Will keep you from motoring as often. More hours sailing is "priceless" as they say in the commercial.
 
Jan 1, 2006
8,011
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Good Sails

Good sails are more fun to sail upwind with. How much do you sail to weather? For me, I would go with the sail.
 

BillyK

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Jan 24, 2010
502
Catalina 310 Ocean City, NJ
Sail... The smile factor will be higher.. You will see it every time you use it.. A prop is out of sight. So I think the emotional payback is higher on the sail.. Plus.. Everyone will see your shiny new sail, nobody ever says "look how beautiful that boat looks with its folding prop".... That is actually the decision process I went through this season as I just had our sails reconditioned over buying a new prop...
 

Ted

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Jan 26, 2005
1,279
C&C 110 Bay Shore, Long Island, NY
Prop or headsail

Happy Birthday! I'd get both. A 10 year old sail (assuming dacron) still has some life left in the material however it's shape is probably not ideal. You will be needing a new headsail soon. I'd purchase a new headsail now and look for a used folding prop, like a Martec, over the winter. Used props can be found for less than $500.
 
May 24, 2004
7,215
CC 30 South Florida
If it were me I would definitely go for the headsail. It would improve the performance both when sailing or motorsailing.
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
What to Do?

If it were me I would go with the head sail. You have a good working prop but a tired jib thats going to have to be replaced soon. The prop can go on indefinitely
 
Sep 4, 2009
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Oyster 55 (hull 19, built 1990) Redondo Beach
NYSail said:
Hello all... I am looking to spend a few bucks in the off season (50th birthday you know) and was considering purchasing either a new head sail or a feathering prop. My headsail is a 150 Hood that is 10+/- years old... Is ok but even I can see its shape is not great. Prop is a 3 blade fixed that does its job but of course gives some drag.

We are cruisers that love to have the boat move when out sailing. What would be the better place to put my money to get better performance out of the boat; a new head sail or prop.

Thanks
When i went from a three bladed fixed prop to a three bladed feathering prop i saw about a half to three quarters of a knot of difference.

More important was the improved pointing angles going upwind.

I sailed the cal 35 offshore prior to putting on the feathering prop. It was a hydraulic tranny which always spun. I ended up damaging the tranny and the repair was more than the cost of the prop.

I would recut the sail and get the prop.

It will also improve reverse bite which helps with close in manuvering. It saved a friend of mine from some serious damage.

Good luck, either way you will end up with a smile on your face.

David
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,811
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
I'm with Nantz, but if the sail is tired put it on the list for your aniversary. We already have the Max-prop so sails are getting replaced one a year.
All U Get
 
Jan 22, 2008
28
Oday 37 Fernandina Beach FL
Had a maxi 3 blade, then went with a Kiwi 3 blade. Low cost of the Kiwi , ease of MA & adjustments, and performance make it a keeper. Kiwi's low cost may allow you to do both.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I would go with the sail, fixed props don't wear out. A half knot is 6 miles in a 12 hour day. If you were in a hurry you could drive or fly to wherever you are going. What you don't spend you don't need to earn.
 
Nov 28, 2009
495
Catalina 30 St. Croix
Really depends on your kind of sailing. Long voyages a 150% is usually too big. In my ex 51 footer I gained a whole extra knot sailing side by side with a sister ship even though mine was heavier by 2000 pounds. Many of my trips were from 500 miles to 3-4000 miles. 24 miles quicker adds up fast. Normally we sailed at 7-8 knots. Do the math. If you only sail in very light conditions then I see the need for a larger headsail. They are a pain though to tack. Specially with an inner headstay. In my J I race with a 120 and a feathering prop. Podium finish most of the time.
 
Oct 24, 2010
2,405
Hunter 30 Everett, WA
I have a folding 2 blade and almost can't back up. I'm thinking of going to a fixed prop next time I haul it.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
A feathering prop is a joy, sailing, backing down and if you have a wet-plate, cone hydraulic transmission, more-or-less a necessity. Have a qualified sailmaker evaluate your Genoa for re-cut. There are some great tricks to allow a 150 to furl nicely to a 110.
 
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