Problem using a hank-on jib with furler

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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
I have a conventional furling genoa and also a #3 heavy cloth jib which
was originally a hank-on sail but which I converted to a furling jib
years ago for occasional use in strong winds.

I did this by replacing the piston-hanks by "slugs/sliders" that are
whipped to the eyelets on the sail where the piston-hanks were attached.

The slugs are slid inside the foil as the sail is raised.

The slugs were supplied by Plastimo, the manufacturer of the furling
system - for this purpose.

This has worked fine for years .. until now.

When I raised the full-size genoa after dropping the #3 jib last weekend
I couldn't fully raise the genoa, about 2 inches short of the top so
the sail is slack at the foot.

At least I had no problem furling the sail once(almost) fully raised.

I didn't have time to investigate & will do so this weekend.

The wind was only 25-30 knots apparent in gusts so unlike that the point
loading of the foil (slugs are about an inch long) did any damage to
the foil.

I'll try greasing a single slug with silicone grease and use the jib
halyard (with a downhaul) to see if it can run freely up the foil.

If it does, I'll try raising the big genoa again.

If not, I'll go up the mast... :(

I'm hoping that there is something (a cable tie???) stuck in the groove
- I suppose that the worst case is damage to the foil but as I said
above the winds were not that strong.....

Is it OK to use silicone grease?

What have I forgotten?

Any comments welcome.

Thanks,

John
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Search for sail slide lubricants and read the review by Practical Sailor. You might a bit of insight from it. Walt

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I have a conventional furling genoa and also a #3 heavy cloth jib which

was originally a hank-on sail but which I converted to a furling jib
years ago for occasional use in strong winds.

I did this by replacing the piston-hanks by "slugs/sliders" that are
whipped to the eyelets on the sail where the piston-hanks were attached.

The slugs are slid inside the foil as the sail is raised.

The slugs were supplied by Plastimo, the manufacturer of the furling
system - for this purpose.

This has worked fine for years .. until now.

When I raised the full-size genoa after dropping the #3 jib last weekend
I couldn't fully raise the genoa, about 2 inches short of the top so
the sail is slack at the foot.

At least I had no problem furling the sail once(almost) fully raised.

I didn't have time to investigate & will do so this weekend.

The wind was only 25-30 knots apparent in gusts so unlike that the point
loading of the foil (slugs are about an inch long) did any damage to
the foil.

I'll try greasing a single slug with silicone grease and use the jib
halyard (with a downhaul) to see if it can run freely up the foil.

If it does, I'll try raising the big genoa again.

If not, I'll go up the mast... :(

I'm hoping that there is something (a cable tie???) stuck in the groove
- I suppose that the worst case is damage to the foil but as I said
above the winds were not that strong.....

Is it OK to use silicone grease?

What have I forgotten?

Any comments welcome.

Thanks,

John

--
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+353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch)
Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@...
University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927
IRELAND Web: John Kinsella's Website
 
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groundhogyh

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May 30, 2006
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There's a dry lube spray for that purpose. I think sailcoat? Is the most popular?Look it up. Put on your main slugs too.groundhog"John Kinsella John.Kinsella@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:




I have a conventional furling genoa and also a #3 heavy cloth jib which
was originally a hank-on sail but which I converted to a furling jib
years ago for occasional use in strong winds.

I did this by replacing the piston-hanks by "slugs/sliders" that are
whipped to the eyelets on the sail where the piston-hanks were attached.

The slugs are slid inside the foil as the sail is raised.

The slugs were supplied by Plastimo, the manufacturer of the furling
system - for this purpose.

This has worked fine for years .. until now.

When I raised the full-size genoa after dropping the #3 jib last weekend
I couldn't fully raise the genoa, about 2 inches short of the top so
the sail is slack at the foot.

At least I had no problem furling the sail once(almost) fully raised.

I didn't have time to investigate & will do so this weekend.

The wind was only 25-30 knots apparent in gusts so unlike that the point
loading of the foil (slugs are about an inch long) did any damage to
the foil.

I'll try greasing a single slug with silicone grease and use the jib
halyard (with a downhaul) to see if it can run freely up the foil.

If it does, I'll try raising the big genoa again.

If not, I'll go up the mast... :(

I'm hoping that there is something (a cable tie???) stuck in the groove
- I suppose that the worst case is damage to the foil but as I said
above the winds were not that strong.....

Is it OK to use silicone grease?

What have I forgotten?

Any comments welcome.

Thanks,

John

--
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+353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch)
Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@...
University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927
IRELAND Web: John Kinsella's Website
 
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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Thanks.Maybe using silicone grease was the problem?It may have actually increased the friction of the big Genoa "bolt rope" (actually a strip) in the slot in the foil?I suppose I'll find out at the weekend?
John V1447 Breakaway
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John, do a search for sail slide lubricants. An article from Practical Sailor will come up which you will probably find helpful. Walt
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I have a conventional furling genoa and also a #3 heavy cloth jib which
was originally a hank-on sail but which I converted to a furling jib
years ago for occasional use in strong winds.

I did this by replacing the piston-hanks by "slugs/sliders" that are
whipped to the eyelets on the sail where the piston-hanks were attached.

The slugs are slid inside the foil as the sail is raised.

The slugs were supplied by Plastimo, the manufacturer of the furling
system - for this purpose.

This has worked fine for years .. until now.

When I raised the full-size genoa after dropping the #3 jib last weekend
I couldn't fully raise the genoa, about 2 inches short of the top so
the sail is slack at the foot.

At least I had no problem furling the sail once(almost) fully raised.

I didn't have time to investigate & will do so this weekend.

The wind was only 25-30 knots apparent in gusts so unlike that the point
loading of the foil (slugs are about an inch long) did any damage to
the foil.

I'll try greasing a single slug with silicone grease and use the jib
halyard (with a downhaul) to see if it can run freely up the foil.

If it does, I'll try raising the big genoa again.

If not, I'll go up the mast... :(

I'm hoping that there is something (a cable tie???) stuck in the groove
- I suppose that the worst case is damage to the foil but as I said
above the winds were not that strong.....

Is it OK to use silicone grease?

What have I forgotten?

Any comments welcome.

Thanks,

John

--
John A. Kinsella Ph: +353-61-202148 (Direct)
+353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch)
Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@...
University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927
IRELAND Web: John Kinsella's Website
 
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groundhogyh

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Think the theory goes that wet lube is slippery at first, but attracts dirt to stick.Of course you have to reapply any of the lubes. They wear off."John.Kinsella John.Kinsella@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:




Thanks.Maybe using silicone grease was the problem?It may have actually increased the friction of the big Genoa "bolt rope" (actually a strip) in the slot in the foil?I suppose I'll find out at the weekend?

John V1447 Breakaway

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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
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Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Was just talking to my sailmaker - apparently a lot of people
have the same problem "It Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time".

He advises using detergent (wash-up liquid) to clear the grease from
the track...

Thanks,
John

On 13/09/18 00:33, groundhogyh
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sexton1313

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Sailkote for the slides / slugs, and McLube / Harken One Drop Ball Bearing Condintioner for the roller furler. Works great. Go to Harken's website, has great info. On Thursday, September 13, 2018 5:03 AM, "John Kinsella John.Kinsella@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Was just talking to my sailmaker - apparently a lot of people
have the same problem "It Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time".

He advises using detergent (wash-up liquid) to clear the grease from
the track...

Thanks,
John

On 13/09/18 00:33, groundhogyh
groundhogyh@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
 
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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Thanks to all who replied for the excellent advice.
I used ordinary detergent (wash-up liquid) in large amounts and
ran a sail slide up and down the slot many many times to remove
the grease. Also washed the bolt-rope/beading on the sail with
copious amounts of detergent.
The sail now slides up and down the slot very smoothly.
A lesson learned..
I'll buy some dry lube and apply it also..

John V1447 Breakaway


On 13/09/18 11:33, Jim Sexton
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