Price increase at my Marina
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I saw a big increase this year also. I'm on a mooring, so no fresh water or electric, but do have launch service. Last year my mooring was $1650, this year $2000, increase $350, over 20%. Last year my storage was $1520, this year $1680, increase $160, over 10%.
I saw a big increase this year also. I'm on a mooring, so no fresh water or electric, but do have launch service. Last year my mooring was $1650, this year $2000, increase $350, over 20%. Last year my storage was $1520, this year $1680, increase $160, over 10%.
Well, I guess it could be worst...
My military retirement is playing for my sailing hobby. It is so depressing that prices are just climbing so much. Think I'll put some more money into the boat and think about upgrading in several years. Lets see... roller furling, bimini, dinghy...
My military retirement is playing for my sailing hobby. It is so depressing that prices are just climbing so much. Think I'll put some more money into the boat and think about upgrading in several years. Lets see... roller furling, bimini, dinghy...
Let me get this straight.....
Are you really complaining about a 3.8% annual increase???? The wages I pay my employees go up 5-6%/yr, the health Ins premiums I pay for them have gone up 20%/yr for the past 8 yrs, rent on my building goes up 5%/yr, raw material costs have been rising at 4-5%/yr and fuel goes up #@&^*> %/yr! Granted, $3660/yr for a 26' slip is high but I'm sorry, 3.8% is not a big increase. It's all relative. It's a matter of LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. The San Diego area is a nice, high-cost-of-living area with year round sailing. That said, my marina is a condo marina. It is very nice and well maintained with secure gatecard access, nice, air conditioned bathhouses, a large swimming pool, volley ball court, picnic areas with BBQ grills and a bar on-site. I bought my 36' slip for $18,500 2 yrs ago. Before that we paid $2500 for year round rental, wet or dry. Haulout, pressure washing, set-up and launch was extra at about $9/ft. As a slip owner I now pay 1,100/yr "condo fee", up from $1000/yr last year. They can also levy an "assessment" at any time for emergencies or special upgrades. (there will be one soon for WiFi, up to $50). Before Huricane Isabel did her damage the annual condo fee was $850. Of course, back then the dinghy rack was free and spaces were plentiful. They moved it, reduced the number of spots by 1/3 and all of a sudden there were no more spaces left. If you took your dinghy out for the weekend there might not be a spot for it when you got back. After p*ssing everybody off with that situation for a year, that opened up the door for them to institute a dinghy rack fee. Now it's $125/yr and there are spots available again. Did you notice how smoothly that worked? 1. Create a problem where there was none. 2. Find a solution that solves the problem. 3. Make sure that the solution puts $$ in your pocket. You can't fault people (or marinas) for maximizing their income. You do it when you take another job for more pay or when you change investments to get a better yield. It's the way things work. Cost go up and income has to rise to keep pace.
Are you really complaining about a 3.8% annual increase???? The wages I pay my employees go up 5-6%/yr, the health Ins premiums I pay for them have gone up 20%/yr for the past 8 yrs, rent on my building goes up 5%/yr, raw material costs have been rising at 4-5%/yr and fuel goes up #@&^*> %/yr! Granted, $3660/yr for a 26' slip is high but I'm sorry, 3.8% is not a big increase. It's all relative. It's a matter of LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. The San Diego area is a nice, high-cost-of-living area with year round sailing. That said, my marina is a condo marina. It is very nice and well maintained with secure gatecard access, nice, air conditioned bathhouses, a large swimming pool, volley ball court, picnic areas with BBQ grills and a bar on-site. I bought my 36' slip for $18,500 2 yrs ago. Before that we paid $2500 for year round rental, wet or dry. Haulout, pressure washing, set-up and launch was extra at about $9/ft. As a slip owner I now pay 1,100/yr "condo fee", up from $1000/yr last year. They can also levy an "assessment" at any time for emergencies or special upgrades. (there will be one soon for WiFi, up to $50). Before Huricane Isabel did her damage the annual condo fee was $850. Of course, back then the dinghy rack was free and spaces were plentiful. They moved it, reduced the number of spots by 1/3 and all of a sudden there were no more spaces left. If you took your dinghy out for the weekend there might not be a spot for it when you got back. After p*ssing everybody off with that situation for a year, that opened up the door for them to institute a dinghy rack fee. Now it's $125/yr and there are spots available again. Did you notice how smoothly that worked? 1. Create a problem where there was none. 2. Find a solution that solves the problem. 3. Make sure that the solution puts $$ in your pocket. You can't fault people (or marinas) for maximizing their income. You do it when you take another job for more pay or when you change investments to get a better yield. It's the way things work. Cost go up and income has to rise to keep pace.
I guess it was a complaint...
but not against the marina. I understand the need to raise prices. But when one's income does not follow the aggregate rate increase across the board for products and services, one must decide which has priority. If products and services out price themselves, one will no longer use those and eventually that product or service with fail. L'effet de domino, n'est-ce pas?
but not against the marina. I understand the need to raise prices. But when one's income does not follow the aggregate rate increase across the board for products and services, one must decide which has priority. If products and services out price themselves, one will no longer use those and eventually that product or service with fail. L'effet de domino, n'est-ce pas?
I'm not sure how sailing compares
in costs to other hobbies, but my guess is that it's not at the low end. Try owning a horse, for example. My marina, which I would rate as excellent across the board, was raising its annual prices at more than the traffic would bear. It used to have a waiting list for slips. It now has vacancies. These things tend to be self-correcting....
in costs to other hobbies, but my guess is that it's not at the low end. Try owning a horse, for example. My marina, which I would rate as excellent across the board, was raising its annual prices at more than the traffic would bear. It used to have a waiting list for slips. It now has vacancies. These things tend to be self-correcting....
just had to rub it in
We pay $75.00 a month at KAFB Marina but thats because when the Marina was re-built after Katrina they put in the wrong outlets so we have no shore power hookups..we do have electricity and water hookups..they are in the process of switching it over and its going up $25.00. My only complaint is that if any driftwood..or parts of the dock get damaged..its lef to float in the water. They are not that great about picking it up or fixing it right away...I remind them too if I catch them when I am there..but I won't complain...Its VERY VERY quiet there and so far nothings been lifted from the boat...but I always have this uneasy feeling as if someone has been there..... Hey Brian do you have any Military bases near you w/ a Marina?
We pay $75.00 a month at KAFB Marina but thats because when the Marina was re-built after Katrina they put in the wrong outlets so we have no shore power hookups..we do have electricity and water hookups..they are in the process of switching it over and its going up $25.00. My only complaint is that if any driftwood..or parts of the dock get damaged..its lef to float in the water. They are not that great about picking it up or fixing it right away...I remind them too if I catch them when I am there..but I won't complain...Its VERY VERY quiet there and so far nothings been lifted from the boat...but I always have this uneasy feeling as if someone has been there..... Hey Brian do you have any Military bases near you w/ a Marina?
My slip for a boat up to 42' is $400 per month
with electricity, nice restroom/shower, security gates and on site harbor master 24/7. Doesn't hurt that she's nice and cute too.
with electricity, nice restroom/shower, security gates and on site harbor master 24/7. Doesn't hurt that she's nice and cute too.
You should try moorage in the Vancouver area.
My just wrote a $9860.76 cheque for my slip for the year, and that's on an island a long way from town. If you want moorage here, you pay by the year, and even then, there's a long waiting list, often measured in years, not months.
My just wrote a $9860.76 cheque for my slip for the year, and that's on an island a long way from town. If you want moorage here, you pay by the year, and even then, there's a long waiting list, often measured in years, not months.
Seadance...
There are a couple of military marinas in San Diego and one in Camp Pendleton. All have long wait lists. I am on the wait list in Camp Pendleton. I have that privilege being a retired Marine. However, the rules state that if an active duty member wants a slip, they go to the top of the list moving the retirees down. There are currently 9 active duty and 24 other retirees in front of me. I started out #27 in March '05. I am now #33. Oceanside Harbor, like Camp Pendleton, is 20 minutes away. It has about a 4+ year wait for a 26' slip. 7+ for the next up being a 33'. I am currently #17 on that 26' list. I have to pay $75/yr to remain on the list. I knew when I got into boating it wasn't going to be cheap. But, this is what I wanted and living in California has its price.
There are a couple of military marinas in San Diego and one in Camp Pendleton. All have long wait lists. I am on the wait list in Camp Pendleton. I have that privilege being a retired Marine. However, the rules state that if an active duty member wants a slip, they go to the top of the list moving the retirees down. There are currently 9 active duty and 24 other retirees in front of me. I started out #27 in March '05. I am now #33. Oceanside Harbor, like Camp Pendleton, is 20 minutes away. It has about a 4+ year wait for a 26' slip. 7+ for the next up being a 33'. I am currently #17 on that 26' list. I have to pay $75/yr to remain on the list. I knew when I got into boating it wasn't going to be cheap. But, this is what I wanted and living in California has its price.
Chicago
If you think the rates are high in Chicago now just wait. Take a look at CPD web site for future plans and you will see all slips and no new facilities for all harbors and new harbors being planned. In Chicago you get a lousy attitude from management and worse facilities. I am thinking of moving up to Reef Point or even Milwaukee. As for the waiting list - BS. Their are empty slips and moorings in all harbors and many assigned spots are not utilized by the owners in several years. They just hang onto the spot and the city does not enforce the rules forbidding this. When questioned they say that they don;t have the time to enforce the rules and as long as they get their money that is all that they care about. This is an actual quote from the downtown office.
If you think the rates are high in Chicago now just wait. Take a look at CPD web site for future plans and you will see all slips and no new facilities for all harbors and new harbors being planned. In Chicago you get a lousy attitude from management and worse facilities. I am thinking of moving up to Reef Point or even Milwaukee. As for the waiting list - BS. Their are empty slips and moorings in all harbors and many assigned spots are not utilized by the owners in several years. They just hang onto the spot and the city does not enforce the rules forbidding this. When questioned they say that they don;t have the time to enforce the rules and as long as they get their money that is all that they care about. This is an actual quote from the downtown office.
Docks Near Toledo Ohio
Our season Here on Erie starts April through Nov. If I am correct they have not raised rates in 6-7 years.. They just bought the marina next to them. So with the cost of new fuel causing power boaters to not put their boats in, he keeps prices level to keep docks rented.. During my stay here ( 3rd year coming up ) I have seen my old dock go from 500 a season to 700 with no water or electric... http://meinkemarina.com/pages/west_dockage.html
Our season Here on Erie starts April through Nov. If I am correct they have not raised rates in 6-7 years.. They just bought the marina next to them. So with the cost of new fuel causing power boaters to not put their boats in, he keeps prices level to keep docks rented.. During my stay here ( 3rd year coming up ) I have seen my old dock go from 500 a season to 700 with no water or electric... http://meinkemarina.com/pages/west_dockage.html
I bought
my boat at Shelter Island Marina...to Keep it there for one month while arranging the trucking and some repairs was 720.00 Know wonder the guy took my offer...
my boat at Shelter Island Marina...to Keep it there for one month while arranging the trucking and some repairs was 720.00 Know wonder the guy took my offer...
Pat, which marina are you at in Chicago
Just wondering, I'm at Monroe. Supposedly they are going to build a new facility at DuSable which should help. I agree, the facilities are a disgrace at Monroe but I guess land is at a premium around there. They just went back to the old policy of charging for parking if you get there before 11AM on the weekdays too. Another huge rip off of the boaters (you can get upgraded for an added cost for all day parking).
Just wondering, I'm at Monroe. Supposedly they are going to build a new facility at DuSable which should help. I agree, the facilities are a disgrace at Monroe but I guess land is at a premium around there. They just went back to the old policy of charging for parking if you get there before 11AM on the weekdays too. Another huge rip off of the boaters (you can get upgraded for an added cost for all day parking).
Bob, I think there will be a taxpayer revolt
In Chicago the way things are going. With the recent sales tax hike,$4.00+ gasoline and skying food prices, people just aren't going to go along with much more of this BS of hitting up the taxpayer.
In Chicago the way things are going. With the recent sales tax hike,$4.00+ gasoline and skying food prices, people just aren't going to go along with much more of this BS of hitting up the taxpayer.
Just got my notice .........
of a 5% increase in slip fees. I moor in San Diego Bay (live in Phoenix). With the summers being what they are here in Phoenix I dont mind the extra 5%. IMHO SD is one is the best places around, great sailing, perfect weather. I co-own our H376 with another Phoenix resident so it takes the bite out of the monthly bill quite a bit. Unfortunatly, we all have enjoyed many years of non-inflation, and now we are seeing the trickle down effect of $100 oil. The only thing that REALLY bothers me is that the oil supply is artificially controlled by a few, and that true "supply & demand" does not price oil, which is critical to the world economy. (OK I'm done, feel better)
of a 5% increase in slip fees. I moor in San Diego Bay (live in Phoenix). With the summers being what they are here in Phoenix I dont mind the extra 5%. IMHO SD is one is the best places around, great sailing, perfect weather. I co-own our H376 with another Phoenix resident so it takes the bite out of the monthly bill quite a bit. Unfortunatly, we all have enjoyed many years of non-inflation, and now we are seeing the trickle down effect of $100 oil. The only thing that REALLY bothers me is that the oil supply is artificially controlled by a few, and that true "supply & demand" does not price oil, which is critical to the world economy. (OK I'm done, feel better)
how much per foot
I guess I am Lucky I pay $10 per foot on the Miami River 35 minutes from beautiful Biscayne bay. No pool, no food, no stay over night, no parking and no speak the english.
I guess I am Lucky I pay $10 per foot on the Miami River 35 minutes from beautiful Biscayne bay. No pool, no food, no stay over night, no parking and no speak the english.
Pay to play
In Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island, my moorage also increased. We pay about $3600.00 for a year. 30 ft slip. There is power available $5.00 month if you don't use it metered if you do.and water is free, supply your own hose. there is a resident manager, showers, laundry facility, and a locked gate.limited parking underground is included. There are a few liveaboards to help keep an eye on things.I don't lock my boat, But I don't leave my gps or bins on board either. Bottom line, I feel very lucky, but I hope it doesn't go up much more, or I will not be able to afford it.
In Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island, my moorage also increased. We pay about $3600.00 for a year. 30 ft slip. There is power available $5.00 month if you don't use it metered if you do.and water is free, supply your own hose. there is a resident manager, showers, laundry facility, and a locked gate.limited parking underground is included. There are a few liveaboards to help keep an eye on things.I don't lock my boat, But I don't leave my gps or bins on board either. Bottom line, I feel very lucky, but I hope it doesn't go up much more, or I will not be able to afford it.
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