Prepping for VC17

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Jun 3, 2004
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Prindle 18, beach catamaran Chicago (North Edgebrook), IL
I am planning on painting my bottom with VC17 extra with biolux. The product sheet recommends cleaning you bottom with Interlux 202 fibreglass solvent wash. However, I have about 3/4 gallon of Mary Kate On and Off Hull Cleaner in the garage. It seems this would be a suitable substitute as it has already proven its ability to strip off some really nasty crud (I have to believe it takes any wax off too). Are there any thoughts, concerns or recommendations on using the On and Off rather than purchasing the 202 solvent wash?
 

Jim

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May 21, 2007
775
Catalina 36 MK II NJ
No, it will work fine

It helps remove any substance that will keep the paint from sticking. Why are you using VC-17? Do you race? If you do race, wet sand the VC-17 to a smooth finish after it drys. This will get you the extra speed you are looking for. What a pain in the $SS. If you don't race get some better multi-season paint. You'll be glad you did next year. I am up to my third season on the same paint in salt water. All I have to do is touch it up! SWEET!
 
Feb 12, 2007
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Ericson 25 Oshkosh, WI
202 Solvent

Dancing Bear- If you have gone all the way through the process to prep your hull for VC-17 and you want to skip the most important step! Its not just another product that rips money out of your wallet, it has a purpose. I don't know if On/Off(which I love too) leaves a residue. What I do know is that the last thing you want to do next spring is re-prep the bottom as you have this year. I am also in the Great Lakes area and believe VC-17 is a great paint for OUR waters. It doesnt matter if you are a racer or a cruiser, the ease and speed of application, out way the annual application needed.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
While On/Off...

While On/off will work extremely well to remove waterline stains from rust, algae and living organisms and living crud it does not work very well, when compared to 202, at removing wax. On/Off is an acid based product containing Hydrochloric & Phosphoric Acids and 202 is a solvent wash designed to soften and transfer surface waxes to the rags. When using 202 you'll want about 50-75 rags on hand. You wet the rag with 202 and make one swipe with it then turn it to a fresh spot. Continuing on with one rag just moves the wax from one part of the boat to another. Remember there is noting out there that will really dissolve wax off the surface and thus you are really just softening it and transferring it to a rag. If it were me I'd first wash it with On/Off then a good boat soap then 202, then sand then 202 again..
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Go to an auto body paint supply shop and buy silicone wax lifter .....

The very same compound used in prepping automobiles for painting and to prevent 'birds-eyes' in the paint - at half the price of 202. VC also is thinned with acetone so you can additionally wash the hull several times with acetone to help remove oils and silicones. Once you get a good first coat of VC down any additional coats will be very easy. I use WEST foam rollers. On my I20/M20 scow Ive been using VC for years, but I wet-sail/race this on a large fresh water lake and simply scrub the bottom every now and then instead of using the biolux additive. This is an ultralight planing hull so I keep the VC smooth by occasional hauling and 'burnishing' it flat (no need for aggressive sanding) as once the boat gets up to planing speed all the crud simply falls off quickly. The smoother the finish the easier for the crud to fall off; regularly sailing keeps the hull clean. Burnishing, taking large wads of stiff clay-filled newspaper .... Sunday Magazine paper works best .... and simply 'pressure-rubbing' on any roughness until silky-smooth will result in quite a quite slick hull .... not a fast nor easy job. Burnishing simply 'pushes' the relatively soft surface VC into the valleys and flattens the peaks. Successive years application can go very fast ... (just to fill-in any surface roughness that develops) by applying thin stripes of VC with a 4" foam roller then immediately flattening with a larger polyethylene trowel (one of the large WEST SYSTEM yellow trowels), then re-burnishing. Since VC uses acetone as its solvent and the acetone 'flashes' almost immediately, you have to be VERY fast in striking the rollered-on VC with a trowel ... one hand on the roller immediately followed by the other hand on the trowel ..... the learning curve is quite steep as newly applied VC will soften old VC ... its the acetone !!!! On freshwater I dont need to coat every year, usually every 3-4 years and simply burnish the surface in the intervening years. If your are hard-core racing, burnishing first then flat sanding will prevent a LOT of VC being removed that happens when simply sanding only.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Great Lakes

VC 17 is the overwhelming choice on the Great Lakes for cruisers and racers - at least on the lakes I have cruised (Huron/Mich and Ontario.) I wipe my hull down with regular hardware store paint thinner before applying the VC. I have had good results.
 
Jun 3, 2004
309
Prindle 18, beach catamaran Chicago (North Edgebrook), IL
Great Info

Thanks for all the info guys, I have this gallon of expensive toxic crud (On and Off), and had crossed my fingers that I could avoid even more expensive toxic crud. Nevertheless, doing the job well is the priority.
 
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