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Portsmouth for H-216
I just looked this up yesterday on sailing.org. 92 w/o spinnaker. 83 w/spinnaker. Mr. Ernie may have more info...see Small Boat Forum, "Quick Setup for the Hunter 216". Frankly, you'd better be pretty good with the spinnaker and have the right wind and right course before you are better of in a race flying the spinnaker...work the numbers. On a light wind day with a short course and only 1 leg where you can fly the spinnaker...you are dog meat. Think about it. On a short course, if you drop the chute in the water and it takes you 5 minutes to store the chute and get the jib flying...duh! Course, the spinnaker is a really cool sail and you LOOK GOOD flying it... Depends on whether you want to look good or capture silver. My crew and I plan on racing with the spinnaker most of the time...after we practice a WHOLE bunch more. Sailing World May 2005 had a good article about flying an asymmetrical.
I just looked this up yesterday on sailing.org. 92 w/o spinnaker. 83 w/spinnaker. Mr. Ernie may have more info...see Small Boat Forum, "Quick Setup for the Hunter 216". Frankly, you'd better be pretty good with the spinnaker and have the right wind and right course before you are better of in a race flying the spinnaker...work the numbers. On a light wind day with a short course and only 1 leg where you can fly the spinnaker...you are dog meat. Think about it. On a short course, if you drop the chute in the water and it takes you 5 minutes to store the chute and get the jib flying...duh! Course, the spinnaker is a really cool sail and you LOOK GOOD flying it... Depends on whether you want to look good or capture silver. My crew and I plan on racing with the spinnaker most of the time...after we practice a WHOLE bunch more. Sailing World May 2005 had a good article about flying an asymmetrical.
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More on Portsmouth
As y'all probably know, Portsmouth ratings are set by US Sailing and the H-216 is listed a 92 at: http://www.ussailing.org/portsmouth/tables05/tables05off-2.htm They currently do not show a rating with the spinnaker however in their "Optional Allowance Mod Factors section, (Table 6): http://www.ussailing.org/portsmouth/table_vi.htm They provide a factor to be applied to boats with a spinnaker and that is 0.972 x the rating (89.4 for the H-216) As i stated in earlier posts, I do believe these ratings to be a bit too high (at our club we race at 86.7 with spinnacker) Also if you look at the tables of other boats, you never see a difference of more than 2 points between spin and non spin versions of the same boat. If you are asked to race at 83, leave your spinnacker in the bag - it really doesn't make anyway near that amount of difference. You might try at an 85 but you'd better be good and have damn good crew as well.
As y'all probably know, Portsmouth ratings are set by US Sailing and the H-216 is listed a 92 at: http://www.ussailing.org/portsmouth/tables05/tables05off-2.htm They currently do not show a rating with the spinnaker however in their "Optional Allowance Mod Factors section, (Table 6): http://www.ussailing.org/portsmouth/table_vi.htm They provide a factor to be applied to boats with a spinnaker and that is 0.972 x the rating (89.4 for the H-216) As i stated in earlier posts, I do believe these ratings to be a bit too high (at our club we race at 86.7 with spinnacker) Also if you look at the tables of other boats, you never see a difference of more than 2 points between spin and non spin versions of the same boat. If you are asked to race at 83, leave your spinnacker in the bag - it really doesn't make anyway near that amount of difference. You might try at an 85 but you'd better be good and have damn good crew as well.
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Hunter 216 Portsmouth w/Spinnaker
Mr. Ernie, USSailing had a portsmouth rating of 83 in the 2004 rating table (in bold face red no less). Jacktar: Portsmouth is one of the handicapping systems for handicapping sailboats when running mixed classes. Look it up on the USSailing.org web site.
Mr. Ernie, USSailing had a portsmouth rating of 83 in the 2004 rating table (in bold face red no less). Jacktar: Portsmouth is one of the handicapping systems for handicapping sailboats when running mixed classes. Look it up on the USSailing.org web site.
2004 Portsmouth Rating
Darlene Hobock, of US Sailing, had nothing to go on when she set the PM at 83 in 2004 except for the results that we were having in our local races here in Georgia. When others started to race the 216, their results were not even close to what we were experiencing and she got a lot of complaints that that rating was way too low. As she still hasn't received many actual results, I believe that she contacted Hunter Composites and used the design numbers for the 2005 PHs. There is no question that the 92 is too high and I think that once she starts getting results back from those of us who actually race, there will be a downward reduction in our handicap. I doubt that it will be 83 (with spin) but probably more like 85. It is important for all of us to send our results and comparisons to other boats (such as your previous post with the Ranger 26) so that she can establish a more realistic handicap for us. When you enter a regatta, such as a Hospice or other fund raiser type and you use a 92 and sail an 85, you wind up not being welcome to sail with those folks again. I have worked with Darlene for several years with Multihulls and she is very committed to her job and to providing as accurate handicaps as possible for all classes. For all of you who race, please send as much accurate information as possible to her. If actual times are not available, at least make as accurate of comparisons to the other boats that you are racing against. Be sure to include info on the abilities of you and your crew and anything else that she could find useful is setting the handicap. Her email is: Darlene Hobock <HobockD@aol.com> and don't forget to post it here on the forum. I can tell you from experience that racing with a handicap that is either too high or too low is not the way to go. You either have the rest of the fleet where they'll not allow you to race with them or a crew that thinks your the poorest excuse for a skipper there ever was.
Darlene Hobock, of US Sailing, had nothing to go on when she set the PM at 83 in 2004 except for the results that we were having in our local races here in Georgia. When others started to race the 216, their results were not even close to what we were experiencing and she got a lot of complaints that that rating was way too low. As she still hasn't received many actual results, I believe that she contacted Hunter Composites and used the design numbers for the 2005 PHs. There is no question that the 92 is too high and I think that once she starts getting results back from those of us who actually race, there will be a downward reduction in our handicap. I doubt that it will be 83 (with spin) but probably more like 85. It is important for all of us to send our results and comparisons to other boats (such as your previous post with the Ranger 26) so that she can establish a more realistic handicap for us. When you enter a regatta, such as a Hospice or other fund raiser type and you use a 92 and sail an 85, you wind up not being welcome to sail with those folks again. I have worked with Darlene for several years with Multihulls and she is very committed to her job and to providing as accurate handicaps as possible for all classes. For all of you who race, please send as much accurate information as possible to her. If actual times are not available, at least make as accurate of comparisons to the other boats that you are racing against. Be sure to include info on the abilities of you and your crew and anything else that she could find useful is setting the handicap. Her email is: Darlene Hobock <HobockD@aol.com> and don't forget to post it here on the forum. I can tell you from experience that racing with a handicap that is either too high or too low is not the way to go. You either have the rest of the fleet where they'll not allow you to race with them or a crew that thinks your the poorest excuse for a skipper there ever was.
H-216 Portsmouth
Mr. Ernie, I agree with you on the 92 Portsmouth w/o spinnaker. Actually, when I am able to pace another boat in my club I stack up fairly well against the Windmills with a Portsmouth of 89.6. I am usually neck and neck both upwind and downwind with our ex-commodore that has been sailing forever. I was running light (just my wife and I with no motor) in a moderate wind (6-8 mph) when I was successfully pacing the Ranger 26 upwind. My boat was not yet dialed in well so I judged I could get the edge on him with more experience. But, it would take the right wind and right crew load. I'd guess in a stronger wind he would eat me. As per our suggestion, I emailed Darlene.
Mr. Ernie, I agree with you on the 92 Portsmouth w/o spinnaker. Actually, when I am able to pace another boat in my club I stack up fairly well against the Windmills with a Portsmouth of 89.6. I am usually neck and neck both upwind and downwind with our ex-commodore that has been sailing forever. I was running light (just my wife and I with no motor) in a moderate wind (6-8 mph) when I was successfully pacing the Ranger 26 upwind. My boat was not yet dialed in well so I judged I could get the edge on him with more experience. But, it would take the right wind and right crew load. I'd guess in a stronger wind he would eat me. As per our suggestion, I emailed Darlene.
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